I'm upset/shocked, saw horse seriously beaten on way home.

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I'll keep this brief.

I have never beaten a horse but I have intervened a fair few times. I've taken crops off people and snapped them in half. I will speak up.

However, I know that one person's 'beating the ****' is another person's give it a smack. I was once called over to a school because 'the rider was beating seven shades out of their horse' - the culprit was a 5 year old child with a handy bat, smacking her pony every time it went to eat grass, as had she got into a tug of war she would have been pulled over his neck. Yes grass reins were the solution but as an immediate fix, was it really 'beating seven shades'? Do I tend to be a little wary of other people's potential over reactions.

Had I been in the car I would have stopped. I know because I have stopped to assist riders having problems before. If I was slightly suspicious I might stay in the car and offer to call her yard etc. On one occasion I drove behind a horse all the way to her yard as cars kept whizzing up behind and freaking the horse out for example. There is no way I would have driven on.

As for 'work clothes' how lame. I once caught a loose horse in a pencil skirt and heels.

If the rider was genuinely abusing the horse I would have been non confontational and got the pair back to the yard before saying anything. I've seen people fall off for the first time and it can scare the poop out of them. not an excuse but a reason. It is also damn scary being off a horse, with no control (bits are not typically designed to be effective from the ground) and a scared / naughty horse will pull. I will not $&@) around with half a ton of horse flesh in oncoming traffic. If I need to smack it on the butt to get it over to the verge I will.

The person who said 'you don't think quick enough to be logical in a crisis' well, all I can say is I wouldn't want you around in an emergency. There are plenty of us who can react quickly (like emergency service staff for example) and logically, and evaluate our own safety first and foremost.

I can see things from a numberof points of view. Without knowing more that's all I can say.
 

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Yes, I would have stopped and asked if the rider wanted a hand with her horse.
I have a 17hh horse and he was severely napping, to the point of dangerous, I got off cos he was scaring me. I eventually led him past what he was scared of whilst several cars past me in a notoriously horsey area, said horse had grown to about 18hh when I came to get back on, I struggle at the best of times to get on the blumin thing with having short legs and all, would I have loved someone to stop and offer me a hand? Yes I would, I was upset and crying, I eventually got back on and then had to ring my sick mum to walk us back to the yard :rolleyes: No one stopped to help me and I couldn't get over it, you lose faith.
As for all the assumptions about the rider, you don't know them, how can you possibly say stuff about stabbing etc? Offer help and if they don't want it advise them on how they should treat the horse, yes, they might not appreciate it but it will make them stop and think, maybe just long enough to calm down or distract them!
Yes, OP should've offered help, not for the rider but for the horse, but, as others have said hindsight is a marvellous thing. At least the OP will know for next time and may act differently, I for one wouldn't have sat and watched whilst all this was going on.
Sorry for bit of a rant but my feelings :eek:
 

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I have stopped to offer help on several occasions to riders who looked like they were struggling, always on main roads admittedly, usually with traffic problems and never one that was being beaten and have never been abused in any way, it was either 'yes please' or 'no thanks, Im ok'. I would imagine that had OP been brave enough to call out then she would have distracted the rider enough to stop the beating and hopefully shamed the rider into thinking about what she was doing. I am afraid I wouldn't have even stopped to think and would have gone in all guns blazing for the sake of the horse, and then asked if she needed help, but then I have flown in between 2 huge drunk blokes fighting over a woman and stopped it (again stupidly, without thinking about the risk to myself). I suppose being feisty helps!

As has already been said, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but to watch any sort of cruelty, be it animal or human, and not do something, is just awful IMHO. I can understand why this has become heated, because people who are gutsy and will stand up and be counted just cannot see how anyone else can just watch and do nothing because they are too scared of the repercussions. I suppose the gutsy ones are passionate about protecting the innocents and brave enough to see it through.
Let's hope that lessons have been learnt and people will behave differently in that sort of situation in the future.
 

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Fun watching this thread grow as I was reading it.

Just curious, what did you think OP could have done if she had of offered to help? What kind of verbal advice is there (would saying 'stop bashing your horse!' actually help?) and what, practically, could she have done? She was on her way home from work and I imagine not in horsey garb and probably not having anywhere to park. Offer to lead the horse back to the yard?

**DISCLAIMER: This isn't an opinion, just a question!

I've been in this situation actually - not on the road but in the yard when I came across someone doing something similar.

I stopped and asked, "Are you all right?" She was angry and red-faced and had evidently fallen and the horse was being pushy and obnoxious and she was at the end of her tether.

So she told me he was being difficult and I said I could see that and "... how about I hold on to him a minute while you both calm down a bit."

And yes, that worked well. I spoke sympathetically to her rather than in a accusing tone. I could see she was having a bad time of it with him. While I held him, I just led him around a bit and told her I knew she was upset and didn't blame her but really he didn't understand at this point why he was being hit and she sheepishly agreed. She was just wound up.

They both calmed down, she walked the horse to his stall and I've seen her many times since. She's a good rider and a responsible horse owner. She just had a bad day.
 

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Last time I saw something terrible (small girl ill treating her own dog) I stopped in my car and told her ...basically said ''where do you live because if I see you treating that dog like that again I'll be telling your parents, you shouldn't be in charge of a dog if your doing things like that etc etc''

Few months later her mother rolls up in the petrol station while I'm filling my car and I get a mouth full of her mother and told to mind my own business and her daughter never did anything of the sort. :rolleyes:

You try and say something and then your made to feel like the baddy.

Poor horse, god knows what else she does with it behind closed doors.:(
 

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Jesus guys - give the girl a break. We all act differently when we are in shock and we all have different levels of confidence.

I'd say next time any of us witness something like whats been described the chances are we'd all react..

Jemimia and native pony member - lets hope that next we have a problem your both around to save a day. Theres giving constructive criticism to someone and saying to disagree with their actions but then theres just being rude.

The point of this fourm is to discuss/lend support and talk with likeminded people.. not to be had a go at. This sounds like a case of internet bravado to me.
 

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Let me just check I've got this right; you're saying it's not worth taking the chance of getting yelled at/insulted to save a horse from what is allegedly a vicious beating? Not even from the safety of a moving vehicle?
I'm astounded.
my quote was to Sussexbythe sea!!! so get your facts right- also i wouldnt be driving in the first place!!
 

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That poor horse that is so awful....its so hard to find the line between discipline and outrageous beating behaviour....But shock does some terrible things to people and we don't know what had happened to her....But I do hate any animal violence and beating any horse is terrible....

Let's hope they made friends when they got back to the stable....

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Ooo not nice.

Couldn't possibliy have driven past and not done something, helped in some way.

As you say - poor horse :(
 

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I went to a show once when I was young, I was probably about 12 years old at the time. I saw a horse who was spurred so much it had big red open wounds on each side, ofcourse when the rider was on it wasn't visible but when she got off it was all that could be seen. The horse was a beautiful grey. I went over to see the horse and look at it (although I admit it was stupid as I was so young) and got told to F* the hell off and mind my own business and buy my own horse. I thought about that horse several times, I did just that I walked away.
I think it's wrong to jump on the OP because she didn't stop, and if driving alone I wouldn't have stopped either TBH..
I understand how she can feel so bad about it though, although being nasty and sarcastic isn't going to help..
She made a choice at the moment to keep out of it she now should just accept it rather than beating herself up over it, everyone makes mistakes..
 

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i havent read all the posts but just wanted to say i was in a simialar position yesterday but i didnt beat the horse!!my young lad bucked me off in the road.i landed on my left foot and immediatly knew i had broken something!!!i had to lead horse 3 miles home as i couldnt put weight on it to get back on.phone got broken so i limped and leaned on the boy to get home.not 1 driver stopped to ask if i needed assitance infact just got glared at for being in the way!i would have loved someone to have helped me out
 

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Hi Monsters

I am sorry you have had an ear bashing. Seems to be rife at the moment. I have stood back and felt horrible for doing so and I have also stepped up and faced the not terribly plesant consequences of doing so. its horrible to watch something like that no matter what you do. Lets just hope that it was a one off.

I lost it with one of my shetlands and ended up throwing a fence post at him. I then realised how "over the top" I was and how angry I was walked away cried then started repairing the fence (again) and sorting out the other shetland (who had been pushed into the electric fence by the other one and got tangled in it). God I was mad and God I feel terrible about it even now several months on.

Lets just hope this other person calmed down.

Don't let it get to you.
 

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i havent read all the posts but just wanted to say i was in a simialar position yesterday but i didnt beat the horse!!my young lad bucked me off in the road.i landed on my left foot and immediatly knew i had broken something!!!i had to lead horse 3 miles home as i couldnt put weight on it to get back on.phone got broken so i limped and leaned on the boy to get home.not 1 driver stopped to ask if i needed assitance infact just got glared at for being in the way!i would have loved someone to have helped me out

Poor you. This is one of my absolute nightmares hacking out.
 

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Can't understand why people are getting worked up about this.

The OP obviously is upset by what she saw, but was shocked at the time like many people would be, some people are brave enough to let rip at people and step in, others are not, and she was driving, she's come on here for advice as to what to do next not be shot down for not acting straight away and it might not of been the best course of action to stop in at the time.

OP - Can you not find out where this lady with the horse lives, write a letter and say your going to report her etc etc?, at least this way it will make her think twice before she loose her temper with the horse.
 

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personally i would of stopped and offered to help.

What harm would it of done, the worst that could of happened would be the op had got a mouthful of abuse.

But it could of helped a horse and rider to cope in a suituation that was obviously beyond the riders control/temper/upset state

Exactly, words are never going to hurt you are they? :confused:

so many "perfect" people on here- nothing like making the OPfeel great, have you all thought how it would be if she had stopped and got a mouthful for trying to help!!

What's so wrong of being on the wrong end of an ear bashing, it doesn't exactly cause any harm to you except for a wounded pride? It might just have stopped the actual horse bashing at least for a while and the rider might have cooled down a bit afterwards. Anything to help the poor horse should surely have been done as long as it didn't endanger the OP.

Just remember this in future, sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS will never hurt me
 

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Exactly, words are never going to hurt you are they? :confused:





Just remember this in future, sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS will never hurt me

As an aside, that is absolute bo££ocks if I may say so, and shows a total lack of understanding of how much harm verbal and psychological abuse can do.

Not saying in this case, necessarily, but that is the daftest bit of doggerel ever made up.

You might like to remember this in future also :D
 

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Exactly, words are never going to hurt you are they? :confused:



What's so wrong of being on the wrong end of an ear bashing, it doesn't exactly cause any harm to you except for a wounded pride? It might just have stopped the actual horse bashing at least for a while and the rider might have cooled down a bit afterwards. Anything to help the poor horse should surely have been done as long as it didn't endanger the OP.

Just remember this in future, sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS will never hurt me

That is not exactly true though is it? You have quoted a childrens saying, which with all due respect is a load of tosh. People ARE effected by other peoples words. Verbal abuse is real. Yelling at each other in front of the horse would not have done anything. Probably would have resulted in the horse getting a further beating for showing her up!

And that also goes for the ear bashing people recieve on here! uncalled for.
 

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Crikey, don't you ever think of growing a thick skin to protect yourselves?
They're only words, they don't actually, physically harm you and the sooner some people grow up and grow a pair of B**** the better for them unless they want to remain wimps for the rest of their life of course in which case, don't come running on here about how upset they are at seeing something like this and didn't do anything to help the horse.
 

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Crikey, don't you ever think of growing a thick skin to protect yourselves?
They're only words, they don't actually, physically harm you and the sooner some people grow up and grow a pair of B**** the better for them unless they want to remain wimps for the rest of their life of course in which case, don't come running on here about how upset they are at seeing something like this and didn't do anything to help the horse.

Because?

Can we just have name and contact for the poor devil who died and left you in charge? I'd like to send flowers :D
 
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