Indigo Irish Draughts - please read, a heads up.

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For info, regarding provisions for animals.

Two of our clients have recently made new wills, with specific provision given to their dogs. The wills state that the dogs are to come to me should the owner die, with a specific monetary provision for each year thereafter of the dogs life (based on the average lifespan of the breed and age of the dog when ownership is transferred to me).
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Actually the value of the estate is a matter of public record and has been posted upthread.
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But you have to think about accrued debt. There are enough threads on Moneysavingexpert to see how things can get out of control. https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/deaths-funerals-probate

With no clear instructions it seems, I think the cost to get a copy of a Will is about £10, would you not want to wind it up as quickly as possible.

I am just sad, I used to be in contact with Janet, she never discussed her problems, I am just glad she is not around to see the mess.
 
honetpot said:
But you have to think about accrued debt. There are enough threads on Moneysavingexpert to see how things can get out of control. https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/deaths-funerals-probate

With no clear instructions it seems, I think the cost to get a copy of a Will is about £10, would you not want to wind it up as quickly as possible.

I am just sad, I used to be in contact with Janet, she never discussed her problems, I am just glad she is not around to see the mess.
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FY1
The probate value of the estate was just a few pounds short of £4.5 million.
See post#116
 
I am sure most people on this thread posting opinions are very genuine in their concern that Janet's wishes for her horses etc. have not been carried through. But am I the only one who finds this purchasing copies of her will and discussing publicly the amount of her estate etc. is very inappropriate? I can see the poor late woman would be turning in her grave at the fate of her beloved horses, but I can guarantee also she would not be too happy at the very public discussion of her estate value and private intentions prior to her death, both on here and elsewhere. All very distasteful IMO. By all means publish the names of the horses that might be offered up for sale in the hope that they can go to good, informed homes to either be PTS or cared for in a way she would have wanted, but the rest of it is just very intrusive and disrespectful IMO.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
I am sure most people on this thread posting opinions are very genuine in their concern that Janet's wishes for her horses etc. have not been carried through. But am I the only one who finds this purchasing copies of her will and discussing publicly the amount of her estate etc. is very inappropriate? I can see the poor late woman would be turning in her grave at the fate of her beloved horses, but I can guarantee also she would not be too happy at the very public discussion of her estate value and private intentions prior to her death, both on here and elsewhere. All very distasteful IMO. By all means publish the names of the horses that might be offered up for sale in the hope that they can go to good, informed homes to either be PTS or cared for in a way she would have wanted, but the rest of it is just very intrusive and disrespectful IMO.
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There is nothing intrusive about matters of public record. The clue is in the name.
 
honetpot said:
You have no idea of the value of the estate and how they would have to be paid.
When my MIL died the bank arranged a cleaner, someone to cut the grass, asked the children what they wanted out of the house, sold the rest at auction and handled the sale of the house, so after all the fees the rest apart from a couple of bequests was divided for the children. I can not imagine how someone with a legal responsibilty could handle, the responsiblity of is it eighteen horses, at a reasonable cost,( grass livery at £25 a week, each?) unfortuately there are a lot of people who may be classed as experienced but unless they are charging a fee and have some sort of legal liabilty insurance their experience is worth nothing, in the paper trail of law and liability.
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You replied to Rupert2021 who replied to Amymay. Their posts below were not about any removal of a staff member from their job. Their posts were about removal of a staff member who was an administrator of the Indigo FB page


Amymay said:
They and JG are listed as Admin.
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Rupert2021 said:
Yes and removed a member of staff that worked for Janet for ten years up until the end
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Pearlsasinger said:
There is nothing intrusive about matters of public record. The clue is in the name.
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Several late members of my family have copies of their wills they made in the UK a matter of public record as is the law there. Does that mean I and other members of my family would be happy to see it being picked over and gossiped about on here or any other social media site?

Why should we feel we have the right to disrespect and gossip about Janet George like this?

However if you don't have an issue with engaging in intrusive idle gossip then work away.🙄
 
Pebble101 said:
I think it's the opposite. People aren't disrespecting Janet, they are horrified about what has happened to the horses that she obviously cared so much about.
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Yes I do understand that and said above in my first post that I appreciate that is how most of us feel. Discussing that is to be expected and if it includes the intent to possibly keep track of the horses concerned and do what you can to rectify the sad situation then that is fair enough.

But I am sorry for me all this picking over details of her wealth and obtaining copies of the will under the guise of concern for the wishes of a respected and highly thought of deceased forum member is a step too far and distasteful in the extreme.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Yes I do understand that and said above in my first post that I appreciate that is how most of us feel. Discussing that is to be expected and if it includes the intent to possibly keep track of the horses concerned and do what you can to rectify the sad situation then that is fair enough.

But I am sorry for me all this picking over details of her wealth and obtaining copies of the will under the guise of concern for the wishes of a respected and highly thought of deceased forum member is a step too far and distasteful in the extreme.
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It could be relevant if someone intended to challenge what has been done.
 
Pebble101 said:
It could be relevant if someone intended to challenge what has been done.
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Well yes, indeed, but that isn't really what this thread is about, though I appreciate that threads go off on tangents.

That's altogether something for people much closer to the situation to mull over.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Yes I do understand that and said above in my first post that I appreciate that is how most of us feel. Discussing that is to be expected and if it includes the intent to possibly keep track of the horses concerned and do what you can to rectify the sad situation then that is fair enough.

But I am sorry for me all this picking over details of her wealth and obtaining copies of the will under the guise of concern for the wishes of a respected and highly thought of deceased forum member is a step too far and distasteful in the extreme.
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well I guess you probably mean me.
I saw the opening post on this thread, looked at the comments on FB, wondered about the situation and what was accurate. Was it the exor, was it the fault of Hopton, was it simply a situation where the instructions were incomplete. . Everyone was blaming everyone else and especially the exor. (who I have no connection with)


So I looked to the will as this was the prime source of information.
I wondered from some of the comments on FB as to whether questions could be asked about the integrity of the exor, so I checked this out. At that time TP posted with her copy of the exor's FB statement which checked out.
I posted info from the grant of probate. That is in the public domain, it was not a question of picking over her wealth or not, simply of stating the value of the estate.
It seemed clear from the information available that this situation had arisen from incomplete instructions as to the future of the horses.

I didn't obtain a copy of the will under the guise of concern for the wishes etc etc as you state above. I obtained it to find out what had really happened rather than listen to stories of who could be to blame. I don't do trial by internet, I prefer to understand the facts.

If you find my comments distasteful can I suggest UI. (unless I am already on there)
 
Of course you are not on UI paddy 555 and thanks for the suggestion but I would far rather see your posts as sometimes I find them quite interesting and agree with your views in certain matters. However, not in this instance.

I choose to question your rather principled and virtuous reasons for delving so deeply into a relative stranger's will and estate value after their death. Sorry but to me it is just as much an excuse for tittle tattle and idle gossip as any other post on here questioning the value if her estate and the terms of her will. Discussing the value of her estate etc.is unecessary and plain nosey and gossipy no matter how you wrap it up verbally.

Feel free to put me on user ignore.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Of course you are not on UI paddy 555 and thanks for the suggestion but I would far rather see your posts as sometimes I find them quite interesting and agree with your views in certain matters. However, not in this instance.

I choose to question your rather principled and virtuous reasons for delving so deeply into a relative stranger's will and estate value after their death. Sorry but to me it is just as much an excuse for tittle tattle and idle gossip as any other post on here questioning the value if her estate and the terms of her will. Discussing the value of her estate etc.is unecessary and plain nosey and gossipy no matter how you wrap it up verbally.

Feel free to put me on user ignore.
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my reasons were neither principled nor virtuous. I spent my working life as an investigator. Give me a conundrum and I look for the answer. There were various scenarios on this and I wanted to see which was correct.
 
Tbf paddy555 posted the probate amount, more in the context of what the charity had inherited than what JG had left, iyswim, which made it somewhat surprising that they were unable to take the time.e to consider each horse's future individually. She posted in response to several other posts on the thread at around the same time yesterday.

Eta and I reposted the amount in response to someone who had the wrong end of the stick completely
 
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Pearlsasinger said:
Tbf paddy555 posted the probate amount, more in the context of what the charity had inherited than what JG had left, iyswim, which made it somewhat surprising that they were unable to take the time.e to consider each horse's future individually. She posted in response to several other posts on the thread at around the same time yesterday.

Eta and I reposted the amount in response to someone who had the wrong end of the stick completely
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I think we shouldn’t assume that the charity inherited a penny. Simply that they are leasing the land for a secured period of time.
 
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Mrs. Jingle said:
But I am sorry for me all this picking over details of her wealth and obtaining copies of the will under the guise of concern for the wishes of a respected and highly thought of deceased forum member is a step too far and distasteful in the extreme.
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struggling Mrs J, struggling a little. :)


this is post 50 on here.
It would be interesting to see a copy of the will.

if someone was to "like" that post then I would take it they too would be interested in seeing a copy of the will. Did you by any chance "like" it?
 
Oh dear paddy 555 you really have nose dived in my opinion of you. I had thought you far and way above this sort of trawling back through likes and posts to try and find some small little perceived triumph to boost your self righteous ego when challenged in your motives.

Yes I did Like' that post and yes of course it would be interesting to know the contents of the will in a detached sort of way pertaining to exactly what JG requested happened to her horses as it did feel at that early stage in the thread we were only getting a very limited account of the truth behind what had happened to lead to the horses being disposed of as they have been. I fail to see liking that post in anyway relates to going to the lengths of obtaining a copy of that will, posting details on here and then discussing fine detail and intention of the deceased's private wealth?

That's some stretch their paddy, being mildly interested in knowing if the will stipulated her wishes for the disposal if the horses compared to wishing to know her financial situation that actually was not connected to the matter of her intent for her horses was it?

My goodness that is almost troll like trawling and posting paddy555m surely this hasn't descended into some sort of personal vendetta has it?🙄☺️

Apologies for long edit, inadvertently posted half way through.🙄
 
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Mrs. Jingle said:
Oh dear paddy 555 you really have nose dived in my opinion of you. I had thought you far and way above this sort of trawling back through likes and posts to try and find some small little perceived triumph to boost your self righteous ego when challenged in your motives.

Yes I did Like' that post and yes of course it would be interesting to know the contents of the will in a detached sort of way pertaining to exactly what JG requested happened to her horses as it did feel at that early stage in the thread we were only getting a very limited account of the truth behind what had happened to lead to the horses being disposed of as they have been. I fail to see liking that post in anyway relates to going to the lengths of obtaining a copy of that will, posting details on here and then discussing fine detail and intention of the deceased's private wealth?

That's some stretch their paddy, being mildly interested in knowing if the will stipulated her wishes for the disposal if the horses compared to wishing to know her financial situation that actually was not connected to the matter of her intent for her horses was it?

My goodness that is almost troll like trawling and posting paddy555m surely this hasn't descended into some sort of personal vendetta has it?🙄☺️

Apologies for long edit, inadvertently posted half way through.🙄
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Good Lord!
There is no need for anyone to 'trawl back' to see who.liked their own post, we all get notifications about likes and email notifications, too, unless we have that function switched off.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Good Lord!
There is no need for anyone to 'trawl back' to see who.liked their own post, we all get notifications about likes and email notifications, too, unless we have that function switched off.
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What are you on about now? It wasn't even paddy555's post that they were talking about it was somebody else's post. Post 50 was Amymay's post.

Good Lord! Do try and keep up Pearlsasinger.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
My goodness that is almost troll like trawling and posting paddy555m surely this hasn't descended into some sort of personal vendetta has it?🙄☺️
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Sorry but it stupid to excuse someone trolling just because you don’t like there opinion. 🙈🙈🙈 don’t like there opinion just ignore . It doesn’t need to turn into something like this no need to attack someone. What ever happened to we will have to agree to disagree and move on.
 
Lexi 123 said:
Sorry but it stupid to excuse someone trolling just because you don’t like there opinion. 🙈🙈🙈 don’t like there opinion just ignore . It doesn’t need to turn into something like this no need to attack someone. What ever happened to we will have to agree to disagree and move on.
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Then why comment, agree to disagree and move on why don't you?🤷 I did not accuse them of trolling. I actually accused them of 'troll like behaviour' a very different thing altogether,b ut don't let the facts distract you.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Then why comment, agree to disagree and move on why don't you?🤷 I did not accuse them of trolling. I actually accused them of 'troll like behaviour' a very different thing altogether,b ut don't let the facts distract you.
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why don’t you move on instead of being a Karen about someone else’s opinion
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
yes of course it would be interesting to know the contents of the will
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ah, so you really did want to see the contents of the will then. :p You will of course realise that I haven't posted the Will's contents so you are really none the wiser. ;)

Mrs. Jingle said:
then discussing fine detail and intention of the deceased's private wealth?
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I don't think anyone has done have they? I could of course trawl back through the thread to find out but I wouldn't want to nose dive any further. I may even be thought of as having troll like behaviour. :eek::eek::eek: Heaven's above that should happen.



 
This is getting very sad. It's quite one thing to muse about how a will might have been written, and quite another to pay to access it and then plaster details about the will on a public thread, for people to pick over. And then play silly wellies with emojis ☹️.

Be curious about it in your own time, if you want, but I strongly feel that boundaries of what is acceptable and what are not are being crossed here 😬.

To go back to post #1, if anyone sees what they believe to be one of the 18 sold on horses for sale, or new owners asking questions about them, please can you alert the admin of Indigo Irish Draughts 2.0, not the original Indigo Irish Draughts group which has been taken over by the executor. Then people who know the horses well can help new or prospective buyers with the factual histories of the horses.

And make sure that your own wills and wishes are as clear and watertight as they can be.

As the originator of this thread, I am going to ask admin to lock it. Whether they will or not is another matter.
 
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