Xmasha
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But the executor ( a professional executor) took on this role knowing they had no horsey experience. So why not take the professional advice offered ?
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Cortez
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Do you know what the advice was? Presumably it was to engage a horse dealer, which is what would seem reasonable to someone charged with settling someone's affairs.
When I had a large number of horses to dispose of in a shortish length of time, after doing my level best with nearly 60 head, from weanlings to breeding stallions, and literally everything in between, a dispersal sale was the most sensible option.
SEL
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World Horse Welfare for horses after your death. Their forms ask for certain details and your solicitor needs to write it into your will. They will try and re-home if possible but if not then will act professionally.
Xmasha
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As I’ve mentioned, a professional ID breeder ( stallion owner / AI stud / young horse producer ) contacted the executor and offered to help rehome /pts as appropriate
sky1000
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Amymay
For some reason I can't quote, but the executor stated that the charity was not involved in the sale. I am not sure that means necessarily that it wasn't party to some discussions
For some reason I can't quote, but the executor stated that the charity was not involved in the sale. I am not sure that means necessarily that it wasn't party to some discussions
paddy555
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OTOH a client makes the choice as to who they appoint as their executor. Perhaps JG had a reason for appointing her? I doubt JG would have been unaware of the lack of horse experience.
Xmasha
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Janet would have been well aware . But the executor has stated herself that Janet never got time to finalise details .
Cortez
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Without intimate knowledge of the circumstances you cannot know that efforts to find buyers were perhaps unsuccessful, and rather than put down the remainder the executor was persuaded to pursue another avenue. Speculation without knowledge is not particularly useful.
Having a comprehensive plan and communicating your wishes clearly is essential if you want to be sure of what happens after your death.
paddy555
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there was 7 months between her will and her death. She was posting on here, Rupert tells us she was working etc. so why not finalise what she wanted? Presumably she thought she wouldn't die. That was a risk to take with so many horses and clearly the horses (leaving aside people) have suffered.
I don't think we can assume the executor has acted poorly . I think we can assume however she was left with one almighty mess due to inadequate instructions. Unless you have access to all the paperwork you really have no idea as to what was offered for horses nor why some were not PTS.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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I would expect the will writer to ask what the client wanted to happen should she die in the period before the setting up of the charity had been finalised. That is surely part of their professional responsibility. Of course for all I know she may have done and JG brushed it off. It seems unlikely though that having got to the point of making the will, that there would have been no mention made of an interim period.
paddy555
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having read the will there was just about no mention of anything to do with the horses in the will! In fact there was no mention at all.
there was nothing about setting up a charity. She clearly gave the will writer the idea she wanted to but you cannot assume the will writer. who was the executor, was a mind reader.
Read the will and tell me what you make of it. What do you think is missing from it?
sky1000
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Paddy are you instructed by the executor or do you have some other interest? You just seem so defensive of the executor
Ditchjumper2
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Having done my will this week nothing is as straightforward as it should be! Wishes are not legally binding if not written down and specified.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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paddy555
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I have no interest in the exor. I do however see where the blame lies and I am afraid that is with the person making the will. It is all very well people dancing around the issue as to who was to blame, making endless excuses and trying to blame someone else. The owner of horses (any horses) is to blame for not making provision for them. They are the one who can determine the horse's future. If they don't do that then the horses end up with what they get which in this case doesn't sound to have been too good.
I don't join in with internet frenzies of lets blame the executor, the beneficiaries, anyone else we can think of to blame.
char3479
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The point is, Janet George would be extremely unhappy with what has happened to her horses and there were apparently alternatives offered. Whether she should or shouldn't have done this or that is irrelevant. The welfare of her horses was paramount to her & I hope to hear that some have found good homes in the future - that's the only useful outcome here.
Arzada
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paddy555, was there just the one executor?
paddy555
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Which seems peculiar, given the reported conversation on JG's return after signing the will. The whole point of employing a will writer rather than just getting a form from the Post Office, is that the WW can advise how to make your wishes clear and unambiguous. Of course I was not party to the discussion but it seems like poor, rather than comprehensive advice was given. Obviously the deceased can't object after the fact.
sorry PAS couldn't quote, if you read the will I'm sure we would have a much better discussion
sorry PAS couldn't quote, if you read the will I'm sure we would have a much better discussion
meleeka
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I’m sure Janet would have assumed that the executor wouldn’t act in a way that gave no regard to the welfare of the horses. Someone has already stated that the executor knew nothing about horses, so somebody must have put her in touch with a dealer. It wouldn’t have been so bad if it were a reputable dealer, but they can hardly be called that if they’ve offloaded them to the bin end dealers to be passed around.
paddy555
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she appointed the partners in Weston Wills. AW was the partner who obtained probate. Does make you wonder why not also appoint a "horsey" friend.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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It really does make one wonder about the quality of advice given.
ihatework
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Unfortunately maybe only bin end dealers will take old/lame/unrideable horses … reputable dealers wouldn’t take them on
meleeka
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The Executor has now also taken over the the Indigo FB page, so presumably that was ultimately owned by Janet.
Fraggle bells rock
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There is now an indigo 2 group.
Goldenstar
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If you read the executors statement on Facebook it should in some way to reduce the worry that some have expressed about your animals and your will.
Plan now express your wishes in writing talk to those involved if you have non horsey executors make sure you let then who you would what them to take advice from .
Be realistic about what can reasonably be achieved my horse list has had PTS next to names Fatty had this next to his for several years.
Its beyond regrettable that some of the Horses passed on for sale where not perhaps at the stage in life where this was the most compassionate thing to do .
Professional executors are good at what they do and we don’t who advised them however on parting with the horses in the way it was done .
IHW has it right if I had been advising the executor I would not have been advising them to pass on old lame horses for sale .
Plan now express your wishes in writing talk to those involved if you have non horsey executors make sure you let then who you would what them to take advice from .
Be realistic about what can reasonably be achieved my horse list has had PTS next to names Fatty had this next to his for several years.
Its beyond regrettable that some of the Horses passed on for sale where not perhaps at the stage in life where this was the most compassionate thing to do .
Professional executors are good at what they do and we don’t who advised them however on parting with the horses in the way it was done .
IHW has it right if I had been advising the executor I would not have been advising them to pass on old lame horses for sale .
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Goldenstar
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I think they have posted on the page I am not sure that is taking it over .
honetpot
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We wrote our last will when we bought our present home, and really if you have any sort of business you need an accountant and a solictor that does estate planning. A house could be worth from as little as £180k-to £1.8m and who ever is writing the Will may have no idea, and probabely would have no idea of the value of the breeding stock, to most people one mud coloured horse looks pretty much the same as another, and perhaps a dealer was thought to be the most senseable idea to get an opinion of market values and sell for a percentage, to wind up the estate. Solicitors and banks are often used as executors, it can save family squabbles and banks usually have a department that just deals in that.
I would imagine that the executor is between a rock and hard place, lets face it big horses cost money, and they have to show they have used the estates money wisely, or they are liable, its not just a house full of furniture that you can store in the house and then send to auction
I would imagine that the executor is between a rock and hard place, lets face it big horses cost money, and they have to show they have used the estates money wisely, or they are liable, its not just a house full of furniture that you can store in the house and then send to auction
Goldenstar
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On my list I have the names of the horses and whats up with them so it clear what and why I think that is best that horse.
An executor can then justify why the decision to give away or PTS an asset of the estate was taken .
Over the years I have had horses who went from being young and desirable to being on the PTS list these are grim things to think about .
Its so important to do it and to talk to people around you .
No one ever wants to do this .
But do it .
An executor can then justify why the decision to give away or PTS an asset of the estate was taken .
Over the years I have had horses who went from being young and desirable to being on the PTS list these are grim things to think about .
Its so important to do it and to talk to people around you .
No one ever wants to do this .
But do it .
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AmyMay
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They and JG are listed as Admin.
Dexter
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Its now gone.
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