Info needed - Livery gone bad

[CanteringCarrot]

Even if you feel as though the police will do nothing (and you may be right), report and document everything. This could come in handy later.

If there is nothing to actually charge someone with, it makes things difficult, and the police can't really take action.

People like this often know where the boundaries are and how far they can push without triggering an actual charge/the legal system. It's horrible and I feel bad for those that are bullied like this. The bully himself, probably needs some psychiatric intervention.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I don't know where the area concerned is, but this guy sounds like he is some sort of paedophile??? .

What makes you think that? These are adult women who have leased his yard, not children!

 

[Apizz2019]

Even if you feel as though the police will do nothing (and you may be right), report and document everything. This could come in handy later.

If there is nothing to actually charge someone with, it makes things difficult, and the police can't really take action.

People like this often know where the boundaries are and how far they can push without triggering an actual charge/the legal system. It's horrible and I feel bad for those that are bullied like this. The bully himself, probably needs some psychiatric intervention.

We have, everything is documented and reported.

He does need help, for sure.

 

[Gloi]

I hope you can get as many of the ex liveries as possible to make statements to the police. If they know others are doing so it may make them brave enough to step forward.

 

[Apizz2019]

I hope you can get as many of the ex liveries as possible to make statements to the police. If they know others are doing so it may make them brave enough to step forward.

I hope so too!

I hope that not only justice is served for his victims, but that he gets the help he clearly needs!

 

[Lammy]

Your poor friend I hope this man is sorted out soon! What a horrible situation to be in.
I should think this counts as stalking and harassment and the police should be taking this very seriously considering the recent case of the young lady, Grace ?

 

[Fjord]

How awful, your friend must be very worried. I hope the police pay him a proper visit now that he has been to her new yard, it's terrible that nothing can be done until he actually breaks the law.

 

[I'm Dun]

Your poor friend I hope this man is sorted out soon! What a horrible situation to be in.
I should think this counts as stalking and harassment and the police should be taking this very seriously considering the recent case of the young lady, Grace ?

They dont though sadly. I've got first hand experience of it. The police rang them for a "chat" and all that did was escalate the behaviour. There's a video of me being assaulted, and they still didn't do anything. It was an absolutely terrifying period in my life and even months later I constantly check over my shoulder and rarely drive a direct route anywhere in case I am being followed.

 

[Apizz2019]

Your poor friend I hope this man is sorted out soon! What a horrible situation to be in.
I should think this counts as stalking and harassment and the police should be taking this very seriously considering the recent case of the young lady, Grace ?

I really hope so. She sounded awful this morning when I spoke to her as she's not sleeping. Then he does this today.

I feel so sorry for her.

 

[Apizz2019]

They dont though sadly. I've got first hand experience of it. The police rang them for a "chat" and all that did was escalate the behaviour. There's a video of me being assaulted, and they still didn't do anything. It was an absolutely terrifying period in my life and even months later I constantly check over my shoulder and rarely drive a direct route anywhere in case I am being followed.

Was this the same individual?

I'm so sorry, that's just horrendous!!

 

[Apizz2019]

How awful, your friend must be very worried. I hope the police pay him a proper visit now that he has been to her new yard, it's terrible that nothing can be done until he actually breaks the law.

That's the scary thing. To what extent does one actually break the law for something to be done - does he need to hurt her physically or run her off the road, as I've heard he is a fan of trying?

The mind boggles!

 

[maggiestar]

Stalking and harrassment are crimes in themselves so I'm shocked at how often the police seem to stand back until people (usually women) get hurt. It's scary and disheartening. OP, I hope your friend gets the assistance she needs, this man needs to be stopped

 

[Apizz2019]

Stalking and harrassment are crimes in themselves so I'm shocked at how often the police seem to stand back until people (usually women) get hurt. It's scary and disheartening. OP, I hope your friend gets the assistance she needs, this man needs to be stopped

I think they're the hardest crimes to manage but there does appear to be a distinct lack of action from the authorities in such cases. Possibly because they're so hard to bring to court/get the CPS to prosecute. Who knows but he does need to be stopped.

Given what I've learned over the past 24 hours, from those with direct experience of this individual, I'm very scared for my friend.

Thanks so much ?

 

[southerncomfort]

Your poor friend I hope this man is sorted out soon! What a horrible situation to be in.
I should think this counts as stalking and harassment and the police should be taking this very seriously considering the recent case of the young lady, Grace ?

It certainly sounds like harassment.

For the courts to recognise it as harassment, the victim has to firmly tell the person not to contact them again and block them on phone, email, SM etc.

If the person then continues to try and contact them then the police can take action.

I was lucky the police took it very seriously and the people concerned were served harassment orders.

 

[Apizz2019]

It certainly sounds like harassment.

For the courts to recognise it as harassment, the victim has to firmly tell the person not to contact them again and block them on phone, email, SM etc.

If the person then continues to try and contact them then the police can take action.

I was lucky the police took it very seriously and the people concerned were served harassment orders.

Glad yours was taken seriously!

The police told this chap not to contact my friend, directly or indirectly, nor to visit her new yard, home etc, or he would be arrested.

Despite today's visit to her new yard, up to this very minute, he's not been arrested and the police haven't even called my friend back.

I know these cases are very hard but frankly, I'm a little shocked and disappointed in the lack of action.

And this is exactly why these deranged individuals do this for many many years, because they are in fact above the law, or so it must seem to them.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

I feel sorry for your friend. It is a sad state of affairs that the police are doing nothing. However if your friend got a couple of guys to thrash him I’ll bet the police would be all over it. Wouldn’t be any less than he deserved. I know my brothers, my dad and a few of my male friends wouldn’t be long with someone like him, he’d get the thrashing of a lifetime and deserve every lick of it. Just a shame it would be then who were arrested while pieces of sh1t3 like this guy would get sympathy.

 

[maggiestar]

Get back onto the police OP. Mention Gracie Spinks, god rest her soul, if needs be. They are too complacent. If they need to be pushed and bullied a little bit then so be it.

 

[catembi]

Please, please keep at it! Your poor friend. I remember the case of Grace which has already been mentioned. Awful. I know that you're keeping good records - can you keep adding to them & regularly send to higher-ups in the police/your MP/women's protection-type group?

 

[Apizz2019]

I feel sorry for your friend. It is a sad state of affairs that the police are doing nothing. However if your friend got a couple of guys to thrash him I’ll bet the police would be all over it. Wouldn’t be any less than he deserved. I know my brothers, my dad and a few of my male friends wouldn’t be long with someone like him, he’d get the thrashing of a lifetime and deserve every lick of it. Just a shame it would be then who were arrested while pieces of sh1t3 like this guy would get sympathy.

He deserves rough justice for what he's put others and my friend through.

I hope the police take action today. ??

 

[Apizz2019]

Get back onto the police OP. Mention Gracie Spinks, god rest her soul, if needs be. They are too complacent. If they need to be pushed and bullied a little bit then so be it.

She called them again last night but no response thus far.

I think something bad needs to happen before they take action and then refer themselves for their lack of action. Ironic!

 

[Apizz2019]

Please, please keep at it! Your poor friend. I remember the case of Grace which has already been mentioned. Awful. I know that you're keeping good records - can you keep adding to them & regularly send to higher-ups in the police/your MP/women's protection-type group?

I don't think there is 'enough' at the moment to take any higher. But how much is enough?

He was clearly told to stay away or face arrest, yet he's done exactly the opposite but yet not been arrested.

I'm confused with how this works.

 

[brighteyes]

My friend has informed them this morning.

The problem is, this individual is unhinged. This modus operandi has been ongoing with various victims for many years but all, it seems have been too scared to report him.

From what I've learned, they pay him monies in order for him to leave them alone, although that doesn't always resolve the situation.

I've been contacted by someone whose friends horse was shot by this individual, or at least suspected to have been the culprit - the poor lady had to move home and has moved yards more than once as she is repeatedly discovered and it seems has nowhere to hide.

A livery I know well who was on the yard I've moved from a few weeks back, messaged me to tell me her and her family were at this yard and their shetland pony was shot. But this was explained away by the deranged individual as possibly being rabbit hunters he'd given permission to be on his land - despite her never seeing anyone on his land or in the yard/around the horses during her whole time there.

I'm not knocking the police, I know these types of crimes are very difficult to peruse but its sad that somebody has to get hurt before anything is done.

Shot eh? I am almost at the time of life I'd shoot the nutter myself. Life wouldn't be that long and it'd be a public service.

 

[AmyMay]

This is from the UK government’s website. Don’t know if it will be of any help.

 

[Apizz2019]

Shot eh? I am almost at the time of life I'd shoot the nutter myself. Life wouldn't be that long and it'd be a public service.

I know right, I'm totally with you on this!

Eurgh, it's just a horrid horrid situation to be in.

 

[Apizz2019]

This is from the UK government’s website. Don’t know if it will be of any help.

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You're a gem Thank you, I will pass this on to my friend!

 

[brighteyes]

Does nobody know anyone who could go and have a quiet word with him. This is terrifying.

 

[Apizz2019]

Does nobody know anyone who could go and have a quiet word with him. This is terrifying.

I think most are terrified of him, that's the issue.

 

[Gloi]

Is there anyone willing to film him if he comes to the yard?

 

[Apizz2019]

Is there anyone willing to film him if he comes to the yard?

Yes, I'm ready to film him as I'm moving to the same yard tomorrow and am waiting for his weekend visit that he's told someone he's going to do.

I'll also have a large shovel to hand hopefully!

He doesnt scare me - I was married to one just like him for 14 years.

 

[teacups]

What has made him stop with previous targets? Getting another target? Or something else?