Irresponsible Owners

[malwhit]

I blocked a behavioural so-called expert who said something like we shouldn't train our dogs as they are not "things" but some other claptrap

Dogs do need training the right and wrong behaviours just like people do. Most of the time it is positive training/reinforcement, but sometimes it has to be more forceful.

If my dogs were in a fight, I don't supposes using a clicker would make much difference, but a bucket of water and other less positive methods would probably work better

 

[maisie06]

I ROARED at a labrador this morning!! It had already dragged it's owner across a car park and almost knocked an elderly gentlemen flying, owner completely ineffective just saying Murphy, murphy murphy in a sing song voice, the it spotted me and mine - luckily I'd already put mine away...it got free from useless owner with one final lunge, galloped upto my car and went to launch at me, I literally roared NO in a pony club mum way, it looked shocked, backed off then went to jump again, it got the same treatment and then it sat looking at me, to which I quietley picked up it's lead attached to useless harness, it then tried to lunge sideways when it spotted another dog, It got told off again and say=t again, I then slipped my slip lead over the head, gave him a tug and he walked with me back to his owner who was being helped my another lady as it looked like she'd hurt her wrist, I popped the dog in her car and she had then went to have a littel moan for me shouting at her dog - I told her calmy (proud of myself for that) her dog had already caused her to be injured, almost injured an elderly gent and went to jump on me, that she needed to train the dog with the help of a decent trainer or rehome it before it caused an accident - shame and I feel sorry for the dog, a young fox red working type lab who dodn't have a bad bone in his body just no manners from a lack of training...

 

[maisie06]

I blocked a behavioural so-called expert who said something like we shouldn't train our dogs as they are not "things" but some other claptrap

Dogs do need training the right and wrong behaviours just like people do. Most of the time it is positive training/reinforcement, but sometimes it has to be more forceful.

If my dogs were in a fight, I don't supposes using a clicker would make much difference, but a bucket of water and other less positive methods would probably work better

I had 2 terriers years ago who would occasionally have a proper go at one another - they got the hose pipe treatment! One day I just grabbed this swirling furious fur ball and dunked them both in the nearby water trough!

 

[Goldenstar]

Check this ‘guide to irresponsible ownership’ out on Daily Mail… blood pressure warning required.

Tick boxes:
- Spanish rescue imports
- reluctance to put dogs on a lead despite full knowledge of no recall at all
- shouting ‘it’s ok!’ While running after dog which is harassing other dogs. Describes other owner in negative language due to less than happy response
- owner injured due to breaking up a fight and dog pulling towards a squirrel. Still not permanently on leads …
- has an interest in instagrammability and nice collars
- dog has chased sheep with no recall, these belonged to a close relative who was ‘silently furious’
- deliberately allowed a dog with no recall to ‘potter about in the bushes’ in a public park whilst she did some sit ups on the park jungle jim. Dog disappeared to chase a red setter and some terriers.

‘I can smell other dog walkers' disapproval now’. NO SH*T SHERLOCK

It’s an interesting insight into the mind of a selfish fool, but I suppose at least she has tried a bit. Her dad (who has a perfectly trained spaniel) should give her a good telling off.

The social shame of owning dogs you can't quite control

Kate Spicer says that there is an 'epidemic of loneliness' among dogs across the UK - and this may be affecting how their dogs are trained in behaviours.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I read this and mentioned it on another thread .
It was an interesting insight into the life these dogs can be leading and their owners .
So many stupid things .
Moaning about the sheets if you live in a one bed fully open plan living space the dogs will be on the bed unless you are a training ninja .
I could go on and on but to take a dog of hunting type from Spain where you have no what it was used to getting up to to the countryside and then let it off lead gosh it made me so cross the ignorance is breathtaking .

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Has no one ever ran up to their dog yelling while it eats rubbish or just generally ignores them? I assume yelling ‘no’ is negative and therefore bad. I’m amazed my bunch are still standing

I think some of the neighboring houses to the park belong to people who like to chuck their rubbish onto the field (might be the foxes). I've chased down Bear a few times and had to lob lamb shanks over the railings! So far, the youngsters haven't scavenged anything, I keep a close eye on them, but I'm probably encouraging them by chucking carrot peel/kibble onto the lawn.

I would far rather have other owners think I'm mad than allow Bear to eat cooked bones.

Goose has a thing about not coming in from the garden so gets the door shut on him. I fell asleep til 1am the other night. He was keen to come in and has been ever since! If you walk him down, he does the submissive fall to the ground thing, yet he's never been hit or physically disciplined. Funny lad.

 

[Goldenstar]

I was on the beach ( busy doggy one ) yesterday I headed straight away walking fast away from the car park and quickly got away from the crowd ( such as it was it qualified as a crowd in my world ).
once I got away it was quiet the dogs where having a nice time and I saw an older man and two dogs coming towards us .
I put Pearl,and Dram into sit beside me and the terrier one large sized approached growling and barking it circled us owner ignored , it went back and forward a few times the other dog was behind walking slowly he looked old , and was a handsome black westie owner started calling dog one one in an ineffective way perhaps I was giving my WTF mate stare .
However both Pearl and Dram held the sit and stay I was so pleased with them man got past with dog one now running out in front dog two ambled up to us and started sniffing Pearls bum bloke saw this and ignored it so I shouted at it get away you idiot .
At that point he called it and I marched mine off .
Good training for Pearl she is really getting what’s needed for living in a busy tourist village now .So pleased her impulse control is really getting there I have worked hard on this and had a bit of help from a trainer one to one using his dogs .
Later we where returning and in the distance their was a family with a Biggish mongrel they had a toddler ,the toddler and the dog was playing fetch using a ball extremely cute the dog was lovely there where lots of dogs around .
When I got near I popped Pearl on the lead just in case because she loves balls .

Both these owners put the safety of their dogs ( and child in the second case ) fully into the hands of strangers .
Perhaps I am odd but I read ahead with dogs like you do when riding young or reactive horses it’s automatic but others clearly don’t .

 

[CorvusCorax]

This morning, two unattended young kids, being dragged by one old fat lab and one young fat one, at running pace, down the footpath, I was walking the old one with an XL Kong in his gob, he is completely neutral to other dogs, prefers not to acknowledge them, one kid let the puppy get right in his face, I blocked with my leg, he started low grumbling so I said 'Don't let it come over......just keep going.....GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!'.



No harm done but can you imagine with another type of dog and a less bothered owner.....

 

[CorvusCorax]

I think some of the neighboring houses to the park belong to people who like to chuck their rubbish onto the field (might be the foxes). I've chased down Bear a few times and had to lob lamb shanks over the railings! So far, the youngsters haven't scavenged anything, I keep a close eye on them, but I'm probably encouraging them by chucking carrot peel/kibble onto the lawn.

I would far rather have other owners think I'm mad than allow Bear to eat cooked bones.

Goose has a thing about not coming in from the garden so gets the door shut on him. I fell asleep til 1am the other night. He was keen to come in and has been ever since! If you walk him down, he does the submissive fall to the ground thing, yet he's never been hit or physically disciplined. Funny lad.

I swear to God if I find who stuffs the remains of roast dinners, rounds of sandwiches etc in the hedge I am going to lose my absolute shit with them. JUST USE A BIN!!!

I'm wondering if it is someone who has disordered eating, lives with a feeder and doesn't want to be rude or thinks they are being nice and 'fEeDinG tHe aniMals'.

There was a lady liberally throwing seeds all over the ground outside my house a few months ago to 'feed the birds', I told her to please stop as she was actually feeding the rodents camping out in my roofspace

 

[GSD Woman]

Yup - when mine hot adolescence he started marking indoors. Very short lived as I caught him in the act of pissing on freshly washed sheets hanging on a radiator to dry. He got the bollocking of a lifetime and has never done it since

I would have also been furious. And that is why I dry my sheets on the line. ;-)

 

[ponyparty]

I would have also been furious. And that is why I dry my sheets on the line. ;-)

Yeah I do too, weather allowing. Could have been worse - he also did it on a curtain (luckily a cheapo washable IKEA one) but I didn’t catch him at that and only realised later when I smelt eau de dog piss in the room

 

[Goldenstar]

This morning, two unattended young kids, being dragged by one old fat lab and one young fat one, at running pace, down the footpath, I was walking the old one with an XL Kong in his gob, he is completely neutral to other dogs, prefers not to acknowledge them, one kid let the puppy get right in my face, I blocked with my leg, he started low grumbling so I said 'Don't let it come over......just keep going.....GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!'.

No harm done but can you imagine with another type of dog and a less bothered owner.....

I can,I really can but lots of dog owners are not on the same planet .
What are the parents of these children thinking I walked our dogs quite young with Dad usually but the world was different it was quieter and Dads dogs where also good walkers on lead .I trying to remember how old my brother and I where when we took two dogs to the beach along 9 and 10

The parents handed over responsibility for their children safety to chance and to you .

The small child on the beach in my post was really close to other dogs it was such a sweet interaction between the dog and child the dog was a putting ball into her hand but all I could see was the danger of a another dog intervening .

 

[CorvusCorax]

I should have said the young lab got in my dog's face, obviously, not mine

Yes, I always booted about the village with a dog, but she was old and generally well behaved and on a half check and didn't drag me anywhere.

 

[Goldenstar]

Untrained labs are cheerful boorish oafs it saddens me to see them because most labs are so easily trained .

 

[Clodagh]

Untrained labs are cheerful boorish oafs it saddens me to see them because most labs are so easily trained .

Imo untrained labs can be as aggressive as any other breed. There’s loads of people on here that have had their dogs attacked by Labradors. They may not be as deadly as an XL Bully but they can still do plenty of harm.

 

[Goldenstar]

Well all dogs can be aggressive I did not say Labradors don’t attack other dogs .

 

[Clodagh]

Well all dogs can be aggressive I did not say Labradors don’t attack other dogs .

Sorry I thought you meant they were just cheerful oafs.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

I swear to God if I find who stuffs the remains of roast dinners, rounds of sandwiches etc in the hedge I am going to lose my absolute shit with them. JUST USE A BIN!!!

I'm wondering if it is someone who has disordered eating, lives with a feeder and doesn't want to be rude or thinks they are being nice and 'fEeDinG tHe aniMals'.

There was a lady liberally throwing seeds all over the ground outside my house a few months ago to 'feed the birds', I told her to please stop as she was actually feeding the rodents camping out in my roofspace

A thousand years ago, my brother used the seed scattering technique on a caravan that had been parked up on a village green to great effect. It attracted seagulls and all sorts. The owners in residence soon moved on.

Well all dogs can be aggressive I did not say Labradors don’t attack other dogs .

A useless owner had a massive show lab in the woods which used to try to attack Jake every time we were out. I went mental at her one day, after which she started avoiding me. Her trainer’s technique was to get her to treat it as a distraction, which didn’t help its weight.

 

[Goldenstar]

Some of those show type labs are huge and I think they seem to gain weight more easily than the working / keeper types I have
I will did use treats
as distraction when we where working on Pearls impulse control with other dogs .
Treats with some dogs work well but with Pearl it was only moderately good she is not really very very greedy.

The trainer got me working at home with impulse control using tennis balls that’s what she values most once I could control her retrieving instinct with balls she had learnt focus and then the rest was easy .
I still need to be sharp and aware and manage situations and avoid her getting into a bad situation where it goes wrong one fright was all it took to scare her that was a dog in a crowd on a extending lead that flattened her .

 

[Smitty]

I bent my (cheap B and M) hiking pole on a very persistent lab in some woods a couple of years ago, it was so thickset the walking stick just bounced off. When its owners finally appeared they assured me it was just being friendly

 

[Tiddlypom]

Sorry I thought you meant they were just cheerful oafs.

That’s how I read GS’s post, too. It was a lab who bit our on lead JRT for which she needed two vet visits.

I distrust off lead labs who come bounding over uninvited at least as much as I distrust other breeds which do the same.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

I don't trust any breed. I've said it on here before, the worst one was a springer (possibly exacerbated because it always ran in a pack of 3 or more, owner was a breeder). It always made a beeline for Jake (never Brig who wasn't shy about sticking up for himself). I think Jake must have had a victim vibe! He was very submissive and just fell to the ground when attacked, he never retaliated.

 

[11bluewolf]

I don't trust any breed. I've said it on here before, the worst one was a springer (possibly exacerbated because it always ran in a pack of 3 or more, owner was a breeder). It always made a beeline for Jake (never Brig who wasn't shy about sticking up for himself). I think Jake must have had a victim vibe! He was very submissive and just fell to the ground when attacked, he never retaliated.

What is with certain dogs always being had a go at by others? My female GSD is often reacted to on walks when passing others. (Usually by dogs pulling their owners along on their harnesses... )

She's great with dogs and will ignore them off lead 99% and plays nicely with the select dogs I allow her to play with. She would prefer to go and sniff a friendly looking dog but is the opposite of confrontational with reactive dogs and will choose to avoid and give them a wide berth.

Whenever I pass strange dogs I'll call her back to me and she is generally carrying a ball in her mouth so mostly preoccupied. She might have a look at the dog and probably is higher energy than most dogs around her but she's not particularly interested in them so no clue why she is always reacted to?

A border terrier went so mad at her this morning that I couldn't pass safely. I put my dog in a sit and its owner managed to drag it pass whilst saying he's never done that before...

I expect she probably said this as felt a bit embarrassed or my dog giving off weird vibes ?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Tail, colour and ear carriage can all be factors. My longhaired dog is black and carries his tail high, has a bit of fringing around his ears, a lot of dogs go nuts at him when he is walking past minding his own business. More when he was younger.

 

[11bluewolf]

Tail, colour and ear carriage can all be factors. My longhaired dog is black and carries his tail high, has a bit of fringing around his ears, a lot of dogs go nuts at him when he is walking past minding his own business. More when he was younger.

She ticks most of those boxes so that explains it!

 

[Titchy Pony]

Tail, colour and ear carriage can all be factors. My longhaired dog is black and carries his tail high, has a bit of fringing around his ears, a lot of dogs go nuts at him when he is walking past minding his own business. More when he was younger.

Also face shape, braccycephallic (sp?) dogs can look like they're growling to dogs that aren't used to them. My monster still hasn't figured out the frenchy that sometimes comes to hoopers (we can be in the same rough area, but I don't think we'll ever get as far as contact without a minor disaster). Monster also can't stand husky type dogs: pointy ears, raised tail, high head carriage, even worse if blue eyes in a dark face, he thinks they're looking for a fight even if it's just their normal appearance.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

What is with certain dogs always being had a go at by others? My female GSD is often reacted to on walks when passing others. (Usually by dogs pulling their owners along on their harnesses... )

She's great with dogs and will ignore them off lead 99% and plays nicely with the select dogs I allow her to play with. She would prefer to go and sniff a friendly looking dog but is the opposite of confrontational with reactive dogs and will choose to avoid and give them a wide berth.

Whenever I pass strange dogs I'll call her back to me and she is generally carrying a ball in her mouth so mostly preoccupied. She might have a look at the dog and probably is higher energy than most dogs around her but she's not particularly interested in them so no clue why she is always reacted to?

A border terrier went so mad at her this morning that I couldn't pass safely. I put my dog in a sit and its owner managed to drag it pass whilst saying he's never done that before...

I expect she probably said this as felt a bit embarrassed or my dog giving off weird vibes ?

Dunno, his littermate was never targeted but would have stood up for himself. Jake was black and white, his littermate Brig was liver and white. Maybe it was the lower set ears on Jake? He was a victim!

My youngsters ran away from a frenchie puppy when they were little, think they were scared of the weird looking thing.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Tail, colour and ear carriage can all be factors. My longhaired dog is black and carries his tail high, has a bit of fringing around his ears, a lot of dogs go nuts at him when he is walking past minding his own business. More when he was younger.

My friend's first Tibetan Mastiff was often attacked usually by Akitas and we put that down to the fact that her tail curled over her back.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I felt somewhat intimidated today by a largish pointy eared dog (part GSD, maybe?) which was waiting unattended and untied outside the ladies loos at a country park. I was without my own dog, I'd only stopped for a comfort break on a car journey, but the dog was, I think, trying to get in past me to its owner in the loos.

I couldn't read whether its intentions were friendly or otherwise at all, and I'm a dog person. Imagine if I was actually scared of dogs.

 

[skinnydipper]

(Usually by dogs pulling their owners along on their harnesses... )

Dogs don't pull because they are wearing a harness. They pull because they haven't been taught loose leash walking.

 

[11bluewolf]

Dogs don't pull because they are wearing a harness. They pull because they haven't been taught loose leash walking.

Of course they don't, I didn't say that. But allowing a dog to bounce off the end of a harness is hardly conducive to reactivity