Kauto doing dressage

I wonder if Red Rum enjoyed being dragged around making celebrity appearances and opening super markets etc? I think KS will enjoy an alternative career. Look at Denman, there wasn't all this fuss then.
 
cptrayes said:
Have you seen an NH previous winners parade at a racecourse MLT?

The one I saw at the Grand National could have made you weep. They looked more bored and wooden than the steam carousel at our local fair. Walking a load of pensioned off geldings in a circle like dogs at a dog show does not compare with a stallion parade!

There's a fair amount of other nonsense in the comment that you think so highly of, but you are entitled to your own opinion about it.
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I have seen former winners in the National Hunt fraternity parade and they looked pretty happy to me. But what would I know about horses and racehorses.
I have been around horses since the age of 6, ridden since I was 11. I am 40 now.
I have watched racing since I was 12. Being going to the races since 1995.
Worked in racing for nearly 4 years seeing many racehorses, owners and trainers.
In fact one such pair of owners trusted me that much that they gave their ex racehorse to me.
She is enjoying a happy life as a hacker.
Now you try to tell me that she is not happy when she whinnies and bucks and leaps around the field.
When she rolls in her stable and does her I want to shake myself all over move.
When she is out hacking and is very forward going in walk and if you get her into canter or gallop she puts her head down and has a real good blow. She pulls up a sane horse and gives you a look as though she thoroughly enjoyed it.
If you tried to tell me that my horse is not happy and enjoying life I would tell you to go and do one!

So please, please don't assume that us racing fans have no hands on experience or knowledge of racehorses or even ex racehorses.

On an internet forum, do not assume anything my dear :)
 
christine48 said:
I wonder if Red Rum enjoyed being dragged around making celebrity appearances and opening super markets etc? I think KS will enjoy an alternative career. Look at Denman, there wasn't all this fuss then.
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You could try asking the late Ginger McCain's son or daughter that and I am quite sure that they would be quite upset by a comment like that!
 
christine48 said:
I wonder if Red Rum enjoyed being dragged around making celebrity appearances and opening super markets etc? I think KS will enjoy an alternative career. Look at Denman, there wasn't all this fuss then.
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Red Rum lived with his trainer until he died in his 30's, doubt anyone on here could even name his owner ? He was Ginger's horse till the end, exactly what alot of racing people think should have been the case for Kauto.
There is no comparison between Denman and Kauto Star or indeed with anyother horse in training.....
 
Dobiegirl said:
To refresh your memory, your hubby was forgetful of shutting the food store so rather than put a lock on , fence it off or sort out your husband you laid in wait for your Shetland and gave it a kicking so he wouldnt raid the food store again.

I have made lots of relevent posts without being emotional but Im not obsessed with trying to get my opinion over which maybe you could take on board Im sure others would be grateful for that.
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I never saw this, but seriously that is ****** disgraceful. Yet this person claims to know so much about horses and behaviour......
Awful simply awful :(
 
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bonny said:
Red Rum lived with his trainer until he died in his 30's, doubt anyone on here could even name his owner ? He was Ginger's horse till the end, exactly what alot of racing people think should have been the case for Kauto.
There is no comparison between Denman and Kauto Star or indeed with anyother horse in training.....
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Red Rums owner was Noel Dela Mare or as near as dam it, I remember seeing Red Rum parading at Wincanton, he must have been well into his 20s and he was bucking and kicking like a 2yr old and he looked fabulous.
 
Dobiegirl said:
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Red Rums owner was Noel Dela Mare or as near as dam it, I remember seeing Red Rum parading at Wincanton, he must have been well into his 20s and he was bucking and kicking like a 2yr old and he looked fabulous.
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Well I know that they are happy that the horse stayed with them, that is for sure.
I never saw him parade in the flesh but have seen video re-runs of his appearances and he looked a happy and well horse to me.
 
cptrayes said:
I think you'll find that your last comment is more appropriate to your own behaviour? It is the person who insults first to whom that applies, not that I accept that I have said anything insulting you at all.



He doesn't give a toss about their regard for him, you are anthropomorphising too much

He will not be continually rehomed. He is being assessed by Breisner and Collett at the request of the ROR scheme to see if he is suitable to become a lower level horse in different disciplines. At the end of that he will be found a one on one home where he will have ONE person who thinks the world of him who he knows that he belongs to. In my experience of retrained racehorses, they love it.




But he cannot continue to be a racehorse. It will kill him. He won't be a racehorse if he stays at his training yard. You seem want him as some kind of stable trophy and to be honest this latest comment says more about what you and the humans on that yard want than what is right for him.



One, I do not believe that the horse will suffer in any way from this move.

Two, I believe that the horse will have a MORE enjoyable life from this move. All he wants is to be a horse, not someone's personal trophy.

Three, I do not agree with you about the motives of the owner. He appears to me to be doing a huge and marvellous PR job for ALL finished racehorses by this highly publicised and no doubt expensive move.

You are aware that you can be sued for libel even for anonymous posts online, are you? You seem to me to be stepping very close to the line about a rich man with plenty of connections. I would be a little more careful about what I write if I were you.
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So now who's the one reading tea leaves and knowing the future. :rolleyes:

I've figured it's because you hate racing. Fine. Just stop trying to dress it up as something else with flights of fantasy.

I'm not anthropomorphising - horses don't like change - that is known to most horsemen and women. In a lot of cases it's not an option, but in his case it was. Maybe you have so many pass through your hands that you haven't noticed?

PMSL @ your libel threat - grow up.
 
Saw Red Rum up close and personal a few times as I knew Noel le Mare and unless I am completely bonkers Rummie LOVED all the fuss and attention.He stayed with the people who knew him best. Can't see KS staying at LC's if things aren't "fabulous" so that will entail another move and we all know how risky it is and upsetting for horses to be moved stables. Arkle, due to injury didn't have the chance (probably a blessing for the horse!) to be asked to do a completely different job at a relatively old age. IMO he should have stayed with PN. I sincerely hope this somewhat highly publicised move doesn't end in tears for KS and it isn't the scenario of "no such thing as bad publicity" for his sake.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I wouldnt take much notice of what cptrayes is saying, yes she hates racing but anyone that remembers her Shetland post will never take her seriously.
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I have thought for a while that this thread could not get any more unpleasant, then Dobiegirl you throw the above comment into the mix. A comment out of context, shame on you.
 
justabob said:
I have thought for a while that this thread could not get any more unpleasant, then Dobiegirl you throw the above comment into the mix. A comment out of context, shame on you.
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Why is the comment out of context?
It demonstrated that one of the people on here who was condemning others of their views about the Kauto move was not infallible.
They had failed to manage one of their own animals properly so how could they be taken seriously about their comments as to what is in the best interest of Kauto Star when they kicked a pony for accessing feed which should have been locked up!
 
Fantasy_World said:
Why is the comment out of context?
It demonstrated that one of the people on here who was condemning others of their views about the Kauto move was not infallible.
They had failed to manage one of their own animals properly so how could they be taken seriously about their comments as to what is in the best interest of Kauto Star when they kicked a pony for accessing feed which should have been locked up!
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Sorry but taking one quote from another thread does not negate, for me anyway, the sense that CPT has put forward on this particular one. I find it nasty and unpleasant. We are allowed our opinions without someone dragging up historic threads. I hope KS is enjoying his new life and thank god he can not read.
 
I have been so restrained but I can't resist any longer:D

Firstly I watch Red Rum in every national he did as a very young kid - I even cried when he was withdrawn from the final one he was entered in.

I could tell you the name of his owner and what he looked like - he always looked like he was 150:eek: but I think he really was an old man when RR was running.

Secondly - I'm not going to get into the why's and whatevers about KS moving yards - as the owner of 4 recycled racehorses - all to the end of their days - I think that if KS can go on to a new career, be it walk and trot tests or whatever, he could become the new poster boy for retraining racehorses - just think of the good he could do for those that have not fared as well as himself.

Finally, someone posted a link to the racing post quite a few pages back now so I cant be arsed looking for it. There was a picture of KS looking at himself in a mirror on LC yard - you could see the breath mark on the mirror.

Some muppet had a rant on the comments about isolating new horses and not letting them touch noses - I think this indicates the level of moron that is getting their knickers in a knot about all of this.

As long as the horse doesn't end up like hello dandy and is well cared for with his needs met until the end I dont think he will be too put out about who shovels his s**t
 
Fantasy_World said:
They had failed to manage one of their own animals properly so how could they be taken seriously about their comments as to what is in the best interest of Kauto Star when they kicked a pony for accessing feed which should have been locked up!
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If you want to ban every person from commenting on every thread who has made a mistake like letting a pony get into food it should not have got into, this forum would shut tomorrow.

For what it's worth, that pony was sold this year in order to give him a more interesting lifestyle than I was able to give him, and his new owners are complemented by everyone who handles him about what a lovely character he has and what exceptional manners for a Shetland.

Now folks, can we stop using this rehearsal of stuff that is two years old to deflect from the serious discussion as to what is happening to Kauto Star?
 
Caledonia said:
I've figured it's because you hate racing. Fine. Just stop trying to dress it up as something else with flights of fantasy.
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You will not find any suggestion from me anywhere that racing should be banned. Racing is far, far too complex an issue to be "hated".

PMSL @ your libel threat - grow up.
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It is not a threat. How can I threaten you, it is not me that you are libelling? I am just pointing out that your incredible unpleasantness, using anonymity to hide behind, is not necessarily as risk free as you seem to assume.
 
bonny said:
Shows your in depth knowledge of horse racing !!!!
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Was he not trained in Southport by Ginger McCain? Apologies if that was incorrect, please set me right.

Is it also untrue that he was so unhappy in the stable that he had to have a goat in with him? And that when asked if it was for companionship Ginger joked "no it's so he can kick the **** out of it!"?
 
I am not sure why it suddenly becomes a prerequisite to have an in depth knowledge of racing yards to believe that Kauto Star will be better of as a one-person horse doing a bit of riding club stuff and/or hunting. Can someone enlighten me?
 
cptrayes said:
You will not find any suggestion from me anywhere that racing should be banned. Racing is far, far too complex an issue to be "hated".



It is not a threat. How can I threaten you, it is not me that you are libelling? I am just pointing out that your incredible unpleasantness, using anonymity to hide behind, is not necessarily as risk free as you seem to assume.
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Who mentioned banning anything? Do read my posts, cpt ......

Racing's no more complex than any other sport. It is is fact more transparent. But that's not the issue, is it? You knock it wherever you can, and are quite distastefully using this horse to fuel your bias.

And obviously, I'm going to be libelled for calling someone arrogant. :rolleyes:

I think you are a complete eejit - care to take me to court?
 
cptrayes said:
Was he not trained in Southport by Ginger McCain? Apologies if that was incorrect, please set me right.

Is it also untrue that he was so unhappy in the stable that he had to have a goat in with him? And that when asked if it was for companionship Ginger joked "no it's so he can kick the **** out of it!"?
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Actually if you knew the late Ginger which I had the pleasure of doing I think you will find that his comment was most likely tongue in cheek. He had an infectious personality, was well loved and joked aplenty.
 
bonny said:
Shows your in depth knowledge of horse racing !!!!
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OK, instead of

He was trained by his owner in a tiny little yard by the sea

make it

He was trained by his buyer in a tiny little yard by the sea.

Better :D ?

I rather felt the "tiny little yard by the sea" was more important in the context of a long and happy life for a retired racer, than the fact that the man who bought and trained him promptly sold him on to the actual owner.

Though I apologise profoundly for my original mistake :D
 
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