Liver issue/grumpy?

[Michen]

M, I can't help I just want you to know how sorry I feel for you and the problems you're going through.
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Thanks, you too ycbm. X

 

[Michen]

So sorry he's having a hard time.

When I lived in Boulder, you couldn't get out of bed without stepping on a bodyworker or a physio (or a reiki specialist or an acupuncturist or... because Boulder). That was a while ago, but still. I don't know if Evergreen is too far off the beat of anyone who works in the Boulder/Longmont area but I could ask my contacts there if they know of anyone who covers that area.

Please do CL. I’ll pay whatever callout, I just want someone really fricking good.

Thanks.

 

[Caol Ila]

I'll message some people. Or ask my FB crew!

 

[Michen]

Well, if it makes you feel any better (and it probably doesn't) I can guarantee that you have a far better vet and support team at your barn than I have at mine although, I do enjoy not seeing a single soul here at times. Has its drawbacks though! As for trusted professionals...no such persons.

I also went long periods of time without seeing friends and family so, I sort of got used to it. Not saying I recommend that approach...but maybe you can get a treatment plan squared away by then so you can go and feel alright about it?

I hope so. I’m trying to change my flight to after his scope (booked 9th April) but United aren’t having any of it. Like not even an option at whatever cost despite having a flexi ticket. Supposed to be flying Tuesday next week and get back late Thursday this week so have a bit of time.

 

[Michen]

Photo of Bog enjoying that I’ve left the state for a bit to stop fussing

 

[Trouper]

Just to say thinking of you. It is so hard when you can't have hands on care of him yourself 24/7 and all your trusted experts to call on.
I really would re-iterate talking to the guys at Trinity Consultants. They have a way of thinking around the issues which I find re-assuring. It might also give you something to do while you are away and feeling helpless.

 

[southerncomfort]

Sorry to read this M, and keeping fingers crossed that he's just feeling a bit achy from his fall. X

 

[Michen]

Thanks everyone. An hour on the phone to united and I’ve managed to change my flight to the day of (but evening) of his scope. So that gives me a bit of time from when I get back to Co this Thursday, to the scope a week later, to just get to grips with things under saddle and with the feed/meds etc before deciding whether to go or not.

 

[maya2008]

When I have had a pony fall (both young, argued with me about the ground and in the end I was right - they fell!) it took 3-4 weeks for them to feel right again. So don’t panic if there are still after-effects from the fall.

I hope the liver issue is improved when you get blood results back.

 

[Michen]

Ok so the vet just called me. He’s sore on his right hind but the vet says it doesn’t change post flexions so unlikely to be hock. He also managed to get Boggle fairly cross by palpating a certain area on that leg so seems muscular. Course of painkillers (not ideal given the Gastroguard but apparently ok if given a certain time after).. equioxx? Supposedly gentler on the stomach.

Bloods going off to somewhere specific for further liver markers. Hopefully have them back tomorrow.

So one issue hopefully down and two to go.

Vet said what a handsome little fun horse he is. Well of course can’t wait to get
Home tomorrow and kiss his snozz! Boggles, not the vet.

 

[SEL]

Ok so the vet just called me. He’s sore on his right hind but the vet says it doesn’t change post flexions so unlikely to be hock. He also managed to get Boggle fairly cross by palpating a certain area on that leg so seems muscular. Course of painkillers (not ideal given the Gastroguard but apparently ok if given a certain time after).. equioxx? Supposedly gentler on the stomach.

Bloods going off to somewhere specific for further liver markers. Hopefully have them back tomorrow.

So one issue hopefully down and two to go.

Vet said what a handsome little fun horse he is. Well of course can’t wait to get
Home tomorrow and kiss his snozz! Boggles, not the vet.

That's the horsey version of previcox which I've used off licence - much better for guts.

Might get reduced bills if you snog the vet!

 

[Michen]

That's the horsey version of previcox which I've used off licence - much better for guts.

Might get reduced bills if you snog the vet!

Ya know I tried that once for a full six months and it was probably the only stint of boggles life that he NEVER needed a vet!

 

[HappyHollyDays]

Ya know I tried that once for a full six months and it was probably the only stint of boggles life that he NEVER needed a vet!

Well there you go then, get snogging and Bog will be fine

 

[Denali]

Ya know I tried that once for a full six months and it was probably the only stint of boggles life that he NEVER needed a vet!

I’ve never had a liver issue with a horse so if mine was acting like yours and I couldn’t get a vet I trusted to scope I would do the gastrogaurd. I know I’m late to this so my apologies. I’d rather get the meds down and maybe waste money, than play around with feed through remedies that he obviously is rejecting.

When I know I have an ulcer prone horse I order my gut supplies from Mountain Rose Herbs. They are really helpful and in your area of the US.

 

[Michen]

I’ve never had a liver issue with a horse so if mine was acting like yours and I couldn’t get a vet I trusted to scope I would do the gastrogaurd. I know I’m late to this so my apologies. I’d rather get the meds down and maybe waste money, than play around with feed through remedies that he obviously is rejecting.

I am doing Gastroguard. And he’s being scoped in a week. I just had to use a mobile vet but she’s actually a boarder at the barn and is fantastic so no issues there. She will work with my existing vet in sending images etc.

The problem is that to get the meds down I have to feed non liver friendly food but it’s in very small amounts so I’m hoping it is the lesser of two evils.

 

[Michen]

Well there you go then, get snogging and Bog will be fine

*goes on dating apps to find American vet*

Also, every time I get called ma’am I just melt

 

[Denali]

I am doing Gastroguard. And he’s being scoped in a week. I just had to use a mobile vet but she’s actually a boarder at the barn and is fantastic so no issues there. She will work with my existing vet in sending images etc.

The problem is that to get the meds down I have to feed non liver friendly food but it’s in very small amounts so I’m hoping it is the lesser of two evils.

I’m not quite sure about the meds he needs but I’m a big fan of a syringe in cases like him. Or like my late mare who just wouldn’t . I would dissolve or not depending on the meds, have a big syringe with apple sauce and just shoot it down. More work/money as a boarder but that is my go to. Maybe someone at your barn will do you a favor or there is someone you can trust and toss a few pounds to?

I also had two big syringes. One as advertised and one with the end cut off for meds that should be given whole.

 

[Michen]

I’m not quite sure about the meds he needs but I’m a big fan of a syringe in cases like him. Or like my late mare who just wouldn’t . I would dissolve or not depending on the meds, have a big syringe with apple sauce and just shoot it down. More work/money as a boarder but that is my go to. Maybe someone at your barn will do you a favor or there is someone you can trust and toss a few pounds to?

Honestly have thought about it but the barn hands that do the afternoon hard feed just won’t be able to easily get it in him. He’s fine to Gastroguard but not syringe the meds. Even I struggle. And even in a few days he became more and more head shy with it, I don’t want to make him bad for the Gastroguard too as when I’m away someone is doing that for me at 6am.


Im just kinda up against it really. If the liver comes back worse I’ll have to rethink.

 

[Denali]

*goes on dating apps to find American vet*

Also, every time I get called ma’am I just melt

Aww really? I hate that! I look around to see if my mom is there! Ahhhh culture.

 

[Michen]

Aww really? I hate that! I look around to see if my mom is there! Ahhhh culture.

Haha I love it, it’s endearing!

 

[Denali]

Honestly have thought about it but the barn hands that do the afternoon hard feed just won’t be able to easily get it in him. He’s fine to Gastroguard but not syringe the meds. Even I struggle. And even in a few days he became more and more head shy with it, I don’t want to make him bad for the Gastroguard too as when I’m away someone is doing that for me at 6am.


Im just kinda up against it really. If the liver comes back worse I’ll have to rethink.

So I hate to say this but he may just have to deal. My late mare was an absolute demon about syringes. What I did was randomly have one full of applesauce and molasses (I forget what you call that in the UK) and give it to her. She never became okay with it, but she stopped trying to throw me into the wall.

I will say meds are important right now and even though you feel bad (I would too trust me I get it, I will have been home for a total of 4 days from February to late April) if there is a friend willing take them up on it. Just pay it back in kind of they refuse money.

 

[Denali]

Haha I love it, it’s endearing!

I love the cultural differences and my OH just looks at me like I’m an alien

 

[Michen]

So I hate to say this but he may just have to deal. My late mare was an absolute demon about syringes. What I did was randomly have one full of applesauce and molasses (I forget what you call that in the UK) and give it to her. She never became okay with it, but she stopped trying to throw me into the wall.

I will say meds are important right now and even though you feel bad (I would too trust me I get it, I will have been home for a total of 4 days from February to late April) if there is a friend willing take them up on it. Just pay it back in kind of they refuse money.

It’s not about him and his feelings about it. It’s about the feasibility of getting the meds in when I’m utilizing favours because, for example, the Gastroguard is best done before the morning feed etc which is 6am.

 

[Denali]

It’s not about him and his feelings about it. It’s about the feasibility of getting the meds in when I’m utilizing favours because, for example, the Gastroguard is best done before the morning feed etc which is 6am.

No I get it trust me. I rely so much on my barn friends sometimes because I’m military and deploy. Sometimes I toss the staff an extra couple of dollars to help me out. They will if you speak to them and your BO. Your barn sounds way fancier than I’ve boarded at by the way.

I will say as a former barn rat and groom. I would administer the meds because that’s what’s required. Also that type of thing should be outlined in your contract . I also would appreciate tip here and there if it’s not in you contract.

So my point is, do not feel bad asking for it. You are paying way more than I ever would and if you need the AM feeder to do you a solid pay them. It’s really okay.

I will also say as the BM or just barn worker, if a client asked for a favor and paid me for it it would get done. Do not be afraid to ask for that.

 

[Michen]

It’s not about the money either lol. Given the current bills I’m racking up that’s the least of my worries. I do not think the barn hands will get a syringe into him. I do not want to risk half of it going out of his mouth which I suspect is what will happen.

 

[Denali]

It’s not about the money either lol. Given the current bills I’m racking up that’s the least of my worries. I do not think the barn hands will get a syringe into him. I do not want to risk half of it going out of his mouth which I suspect is what will happen.

Well now you know what might be required when your job has you going all over the place. I don’t know if your job required this much travel before but I was just speaking to my experiences. It’s hard to put your horse in other peoples hands. I get that. I had my own farm before boarding and the Navy. But his shenanigans you speak about come off as excuses. Big hugs because I’ve been there, but your horse shouldn’t suffer just because you need to travel.

 

[Michen]

Denalil I do not understand your point. Excuses by who/what? I am certainly not making excuses, I am merely saying he is more likely to successfully get his meds through feed than barn hands trying to syringe it into his mouth when he's tricky.

As for my horse suffering, I'm fairly sure nothing I've done up until this point is to do anything other than ensure he is ok. I have no idea what you are trying to insinuate but it isn't coming off very well and I'd prefer not to continue to engage with you on it, so over and out from me

 

[SEL]

Denalil I do not understand your point. Excuses by who/what? I am certainly not making excuses, I am merely saying he is more likely to successfully get his meds through feed than barn hands trying to syringe it into his mouth when he's tricky.

As for my horse suffering, I'm fairly sure nothing I've done up until this point is to do anything other than ensure he is ok. I have no idea what you are trying to insinuate but it isn't coming off very well and I'd prefer not to continue to engage with you on it, so over and out from me

I've got one who is a nightmare to syringe after 2 long sessions of ulcer drugs. Everything including wormer goes in her feed now. Vets have never been concerned.
I also have to work to pay their bills

 

[HappyHollyDays]

Michen I went to a vet talk last week about equine behaviour as it’s something my practice helps clients with so they as vets can handle the horses safely. The talk covered needles and worming among other things and we watched a video of a horse who would not allow a syringe anywhere near him let alone in his mouth. Within a short time the horse was asking for it to be stuck in its mouth regardless of what was in it. The video was of a vet called Gemma Pearson who is in Edinburgh and a leading equine behaviourist. I thought it might be something that would help Bog if you could watch the technique she uses if it’s online somewhere. Will have a google to see as I would like to watch it again as I have the same problem with one of mine.

 

[paddy555]

Michen I went to a vet talk last week about equine behaviour as it’s something my practice helps clients with so they as vets can handle the horses safely. The talk covered needles and worming among other things and we watched a video of a horse who would not allow a syringe anywhere near him let alone in his mouth. Within a short time the horse was asking for it to be stuck in its mouth regardless of what was in it. The video was of a vet called Gemma Pearson who is in Edinburgh and a leading equine behaviourist. I thought it might be something that would help Bog if you could watch the technique she uses if it’s online somewhere. Will have a google to see as I would like to watch it again as I have the same problem with one of mine.

hadn't heard of GP but there does appear to be a lot of interesting stuff about her on google well worth watching. Would be interested in a link please if you do manage to locate the video. I also had one who wouldn't have a syringe near him, then he decided he liked it and came asking. Never had a horse before that licked every tiny bit of wormer off the syringe and wanted more.