Never thought I’d be writing this :(

paddy555 said:
before deciding anything I would take up offers, such as Frumpoon's and no doubt others have offered, take Prince somewhere where there are experienced girls who are sympathetic and able to assess him. Find out to start with if he has a behavioural problem. You need someone experienced, who is kind as I suspect he is a very sensitive horse, and who can take a look at the situation and tell you what you are looking at. Someone experienced with TB's and ex racers which he could well be will be able to provide useful info. Then you can decide where to go.

In the meantime what have you learnt from the 2 chips and passports? have you researched them and do they throw any light on the situation?
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I am awaiting a call back from the vet today as he made a note of the second chip number - once I have it I shall start investigating.
I have just been going through the passport in detail (I know I should have done this at the very start) and the address of the dealer is in there as who “applied” for the passport but the owner section has been left blank.

I have just had a message from the husband of the lady I have been dealing with. He was very aggressive and has done a turnaround on what his wife originally said when she offered a full refund (remember I never even asked for a refund...just details of previous owners so I could track as much history as possible - the refund was offered the minute they found out about the two microchips)

So his new approach is - he has decided that since I was “passive aggressive” in my conversations which his wife (which I absolutely wasn’t, I couldnt have been nicer!!) if I accept the refund I will then become the “seller” and he the “buyer”. If it then turns out that Prince is ridden OK in Ireland he will persue me legally as the new “seller!” Sweet Jesus! I just can’t keep up with all this! I don’t want to take the refund anyway - I want to give him to my cousin or another kind lady who has offered to have him (a person I trust who will not sell him on) BUT my husband is determined he wants the money back and it’s beginning to cause a big rift between us. I’m pretty sure this guy is talking absolute codswallop - he is also saying that his dealership run by himself and his wife (the one the horse was sold from on their official Facebook page) and also the name and address that appears in the passport under who “requested” the passport WASNT the people who sold me the horse. It was the lady who works for them and it was a “private sale” between me and her!! The horses official name on the passport even includes their stable name! Everything was done with their name attached to it! He is crazy!! I’m beginning to lose my cool here and seriously considering pouring a very large gin and tonic ?
 
Keira 8888 said:
I am awaiting a call back from the vet today as he made a note of the second chip number - once I have it I shall start investigating.
I have just been going through the passport in detail (I know I should have done this at the very start) and the address of the dealer is in there as who “applied” for the passport but the owner section has been left blank.

I have just had a message from the husband of the lady I have been dealing with. He was very aggressive and has done a turnaround on what his wife originally said when she offered a full refund (remember I never even asked for a refund...just details of previous owners so I could track as much history as possible - the refund was offered the minute they found out about the two microchips)

So his new approach is - he has decided that since I was “passive aggressive” in my conversations which his wife (which I absolutely wasn’t, I couldnt have been nicer!!) if I accept the refund I will then become the “seller” and he the “buyer”. If it then turns out that Prince is ridden OK in Ireland he will persue me legally as the new “seller!” Sweet Jesus! I just can’t keep up with all this! I don’t want to take the refund anyway - I want to give him to my cousin or another kind lady who has offered to have him (a person I trust who will not sell him on) BUT my husband is determined he wants the money back and it’s beginning to cause a big rift between us. I’m pretty sure this guy is talking absolute codswallop - he is also saying that his dealership run by himself and his wife (the one the horse was sold from on their official Facebook page) and also the name and address that appears in the passport under who “requested” the passport WASNT the people who sold me the horse. It was the lady who works for them and it was a “private sale” between me and her!! The horses official name on the passport even includes their stable name! Everything was done with their name attached to it! He is crazy!! I’m beginning to lose my cool here and seriously considering pouring a very large gin and tonic ?
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It definitely sounds like a large gin and tonic kinda day! I can't remember if this has already been asked, but are you a BHS member? It might be worth having a chat with their legal team if you are (or joining as a member if not) just so you know where you stand from a legal perspective, especially if your husband is going to push for Prince to be returned.
 
^^ dont worry about that. It would never stand up in court. Make sure you keep hold of all written correspondence as evidence.
But honestly, if I were you, I would send Prince back to the people you bought him from. Not the best outcome for the horse, but your other alternatives are: large vet bills, keep a horse you cant ride, gift him or PTS. None of which are great.
If you bought from a dealer, there will be no repercussions for you when you return him, just make sure you get the ££ before he goes on the lorry and ignore all their threats etc.
If this is causing rifts in your family then sorry, no horse is worth that heartache. Yes, you made a mistake. Yes, poor horse. But if seller is offering refund then take it and move on, ultimately the responsibility lies with them for selling an unsuitable horse.
 
Unfortunately this is quite normal tactics for dodgy dealers. Get aggressive and intimating and hope the buyer shuts up and goes away. It works a lot of the time, especially if you have purchased from outside your country.

Yes he is talking rubbish.

Don’t rush into anything too quickly.
Get Prince off whatever you are feeding him (just in case it is that). Get the second microchip and trace his details. Find out his history from old owners and hopefully it will make your position, and his fate, a bit clearer.
 
Keira 8888 said:
I am awaiting a call back from the vet today as he made a note of the second chip number - once I have it I shall start investigating.
I have just been going through the passport in detail (I know I should have done this at the very start) and the address of the dealer is in there as who “applied” for the passport but the owner section has been left blank.

I have just had a message from the husband of the lady I have been dealing with. He was very aggressive and has done a turnaround on what his wife originally said when she offered a full refund (remember I never even asked for a refund...just details of previous owners so I could track as much history as possible - the refund was offered the minute they found out about the two microchips)

So his new approach is - he has decided that since I was “passive aggressive” in my conversations which his wife (which I absolutely wasn’t, I couldnt have been nicer!!) if I accept the refund I will then become the “seller” and he the “buyer”. If it then turns out that Prince is ridden OK in Ireland he will persue me legally as the new “seller!” Sweet Jesus! I just can’t keep up with all this! I don’t want to take the refund anyway - I want to give him to my cousin or another kind lady who has offered to have him (a person I trust who will not sell him on) BUT my husband is determined he wants the money back and it’s beginning to cause a big rift between us. I’m pretty sure this guy is talking absolute codswallop - he is also saying that his dealership run by himself and his wife (the one the horse was sold from on their official Facebook page) and also the name and address that appears in the passport under who “requested” the passport WASNT the people who sold me the horse. It was the lady who works for them and it was a “private sale” between me and her!! The horses official name on the passport even includes their stable name! Everything was done with their name attached to it! He is crazy!! I’m beginning to lose my cool here and seriously considering pouring a very large gin and tonic ?
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He plans to sue you for a horse you sell to him being better than you said it would be?

??????

Send him back Keira, it's not worth a marital rift over, and it will punish the seller and protect horses like him in future.

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Keira 8888 said:
I am awaiting a call back from the vet today as he made a note of the second chip number - once I have it I shall start investigating.
I have just been going through the passport in detail (I know I should have done this at the very start) and the address of the dealer is in there as who “applied” for the passport but the owner section has been left blank.

I have just had a message from the husband of the lady I have been dealing with. He was very aggressive and has done a turnaround on what his wife originally said when she offered a full refund (remember I never even asked for a refund...just details of previous owners so I could track as much history as possible - the refund was offered the minute they found out about the two microchips)

So his new approach is - he has decided that since I was “passive aggressive” in my conversations which his wife (which I absolutely wasn’t, I couldnt have been nicer!!) if I accept the refund I will then become the “seller” and he the “buyer”. If it then turns out that Prince is ridden OK in Ireland he will persue me legally as the new “seller!” Sweet Jesus! I just can’t keep up with all this! I don’t want to take the refund anyway - I want to give him to my cousin or another kind lady who has offered to have him (a person I trust who will not sell him on) BUT my husband is determined he wants the money back and it’s beginning to cause a big rift between us. I’m pretty sure this guy is talking absolute codswallop - he is also saying that his dealership run by himself and his wife (the one the horse was sold from on their official Facebook page) and also the name and address that appears in the passport under who “requested” the passport WASN'T the people who sold me the horse. It was the lady who works for them and it was a “private sale” between me and her!! The horses official name on the passport even includes their stable name! Everything was done with their name attached to it! He is crazy!! I’m beginning to lose my cool here and seriously considering pouring a very large gin and tonic ?
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OP i am going to be very direct with you now. Both myself and others on here have asked how your pro YO rode him and you haven't answered. I am betting that he is a hard rider and most likely gave the horse a few cracks with the stick to ' get him going' some horses will not tolerate this sort of behaviour and if pressured may go up. Bear in mind that you never had any problems with the horse until he rode him. And it's not because your horse 'likes' you better, it's probably because you treated him calmly and he responded. I fear that your YO has made this problem escalate and now he is saying he wont ride him because his method hasn't worked and he is now labelling the horse dangerous.

Also you dont seem keen to get another pro in to ride him? I understand that you may feel awkward getting someone else in but if your YO cant ride him then you have to try someone else. Also have you taken him off ALL feed? the Alfalfa may have caused this even. I just think that you should explore these options before spending money on a vet work up, the costs there can spiral very quickly.

Unfortunately if your husband wants his money back asap then your only choice is to pursue a refund with the dealer.

Please dont take this post as criticism because you are a novice owner who sadly has had poor advice from so called professionals and i really do feel for you.

ETA i think that it's BLATANTLY clear that the dealer is hiding something and is trying to bully/scare you in to keeping the horse, and there is definitely something fishy going on. I dont have a lot of legal knowledge but if you contact the BHS i believe they have a legal helpline and may be able to offer you some advice.
 
Indie1282 I completely get why you posted that but I just don’t think anyone here can make those sorts of assumptions.

Yes it’s true a novice horse owner cannot tell a good pro from a bad pro.

Yes it’s true a bad pro might go in heavy handed and create a problem.

But it’s also true that there are many very good pros who if they refuse to get back on its worth taking note!!

There are also many crock horses that if you were to bumble them out and ask nothing of them might just about cope, but the minute anything is expected of them physically then it all unravels.

I just think the underlying thing here is the double microchip/passport. Someone, somewhere down the line has likely tried to hide this horses history. There is usually a darn good reason for that.
 
I've been following this thread. What a mess, and I feel for the OP.

The bit about claiming Keira is the 'seller' and legally pursuing her for something is bollocks. But surely the dealer's argument that this was a 'private sale' between Keira and one of the dealer's employees is an attempt to wriggle out of being legally required to take the horse back and refund the money. If Keira chooses to return the horse, she might need the BHS' legal advice, as it looks as though the dealers are prepared to make it messy for her.

I can totally empathize with wanting to try to figure out what's going on with the horse. That's probably the dumb thing I would do. And I don't think the dealer would 'learn his lesson' if he took the horse back. He'd probably flog it to the next unsuspecting newbie.
 
Caol Ila said:
I can totally empathize with wanting to try to figure out what's going on with the horse. That's probably the dumb thing I would do. And I don't think the dealer would 'learn his lesson' if he took the horse back. He'd probably flog it to the next unsuspecting newbie.
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I am as obsessive as it gets over deducing horse puzzles, but it is a ridiculous route to go down if a refund is on the table. Plus IME for all the time, money and emotional effort you can pour into understanding why a horse isn't doing what you think it ought be it will probably never end up doing whatever that is, you might just be lucky enough to get a reason!

No the dealer won't learn anything, but he'll be a bit put out rather than succeeding in robbing this particular customer.

Stand your ground if you want your money back, buckle up for a miserable, soul-sucking experience if you go down the route of vets and pros trying to fix the horse.
 
He sounds like a very doggy dealer when they find out stuff they don’t want you to know they get very aggressive as a result. It would not surprise me if the horse is stolen or there is some type of ownership despite linked to the horse. Hanse why there is two microchips to prevent you finding the history on the horse. Don’t let him away with it stand you ground if you want your money back.
 
Keira 8888 said:
I don’t want to take the refund anyway - I want to give him to my cousin or another kind lady who has offered to have him (a person I trust who will not sell him on) BUT my husband is determined he wants the money back and it’s beginning to cause a big rift between us.
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Is your husband also prepared to magically take on any future guilt/depression/self-doubt that returning this horse for a refund may cause you? Make the decision based on what you can happily live with, not on what other people say would be easy for them to do.
 
ihatework said:
Indie1282 I completely get why you posted that but I just don’t think anyone here can make those sorts of assumptions.

Yes it’s true a novice horse owner cannot tell a good pro from a bad pro.

Yes it’s true a bad pro might go in heavy handed and create a problem.

But it’s also true that there are many very good pros who if they refuse to get back on its worth taking note!!

There are also many crock horses that if you were to bumble them out and ask nothing of them might just about cope, but the minute anything is expected of them physically then it all unravels.

I just think the underlying thing here is the double microchip/passport. Someone, somewhere down the line has likely tried to hide this horses history. There is usually a darn good reason for that.
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The reason i posted it is because the OP doesn't seem to want to answer any question either myself or other posters put about how the pro rode the horse. which makes me think that he was hard on the horse and the OP does not want to say.

But you can tell the difference between good and bad. My mum has never sat on a horse in her life but if she saw a rider, pro or not, hitting and riding a horse in an aggressive manner that it would have every reason to try and ditch it's rider.. It also begs the question of what is considered a good pro? Is that someone who gets the job done no matter the cost? Or someone who takes a more holistic approach? But that is a thread for another time...

He may well be a crock horse BUT writing him off to be PTS doesn't sit well with me nor i suspect the OP. I think the double microchip may be something more sinister but that doesn't mean that the horse is instantly a write off. I just cannot understand why a second pro riding him will not be considered?? It's fairly inexpensive and it is a second set of eyes on the horse.

FWIW i think the OP has been badly let down by the seller and professionals and i feel for her. I dont feel i have anymore to add to this thread but i really hope there is a good outcome at the end, for the horses sake at least.
 
I doubt you'd get your money back without a trip to small claims court by the sound of it.

I have come across some truly awful 'pros'. I wouldn't think let anyone ride one of mine without being there to see what they did. There could possibly be very little wrong with Prince once the hives and alfalfa have gone, he was fine for the op to hack out alone past scary objects initially and he has a kind eye (in an anxious face).

Dunno about your hubby Keira but a well timed tear and a trembly lip works beautifully on mine (apologies to all the feminists I've just deeply offended ☺). He once referred to one of my projects as "your stupid horse who I think is absolutely mad". She's still here twenty years later getting an apple off him every morning.
 
We had 4 horses, from 14.3 to 16.3, at livery almost 30 yrs ago. We used to give them seaweed as a supplement. On one occasion, the brand that I usually bought was out of stock, so I got a bag of unbranded seaweed. The horses didn't seem to notice any difference. About a week later we went to bring the horses in, in the evening and every one of them was virtually unhandleable, standing on their back legs, front legs, doing star jumps, standing still and refusing to move or rushing forwards. It was horrendous and scary. These were 4 generally biddable horses who were being asked to walk across a couple of fields to their stables, as they did every evening. The vet who knew the horses well, felt that it was probably some kind of mould-poisoning from the seaweed.

I will be amazed if the alfalfa isn't at the root of Prince's problems, although I do think the dealer is as dodgy as all get out and I would want to find out everything possible about the original microchip.
 
Kiera I really feel for you. Nobody is born knowing anything about horses and the only reason we learn is that another person and horses take the time and have the patience and experience to teach us. Some of us are lucky to have this help as children so that we have some experience before we are old enough to make our own decisions - others of us are not so fortunate and have a steeper learning curve when we enter the world of horses. Despite having been in the equestrian industry for over 40 years I'm still dismayed by how much I still don't know any how many mistakes I can still make. Your compassion for the poor horse you seem to have been mis-sold is truely commendable. If it would be any help in your current situation I am about a 45 minute slow drive in a lorry/trailer from you and you are welcome to bring Prince to me to live out with or next door to my retirees for a while and maybe take the pressure of you for a while. I live on site and the only conditions would be that he is ok with electric fencing and has his back shoes removed. We don't have crab flies here and it is chalk (dry) grazing.
 
Amirah said:
I doubt you'd get your money back without a trip to small claims court by the sound of it.

I have come across some truly awful 'pros'. I wouldn't think let anyone ride one of mine without being there to see what they did. There could possibly be very little wrong with Prince once the hives and alfalfa have gone, he was fine for the op to hack out alone past scary objects initially and he has a kind eye (in an anxious face).

Dunno about your hubby Keira but a well timed tear and a trembly lip works beautifully on mine (apologies to all the feminists I've just deeply offended ☺). He once referred to one of my projects as "your stupid horse who I think is absolutely mad". She's still here twenty years later getting an apple off him every morning.
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LOL Amirah :D:D don't need the tears for mine. It would be more a case of prising the horse off him. Once it has arrived he would never give up on it whatever the problems. We have far too many horses. :rolleyes:

on a serious note Keira there are so many considerations here. Is the dealer going to refund you. Really? in the real world is that actually going to happen? You should have the name of the vendor on the receipt and also on your bank account/cheque however you paid for him. How are you going to get your money back if you go down that route? Court action bearing in mind he is in Ireland? what is the cost of that? is your OH going to be happy paying legal costs. You may be lucky and get a bank transfer but I suspect more likely if he agreed the money would not be forthcoming or at least not before the lorry arrived to collect Prince. Then there would be the situation of Prince has gone and reclaiming the money.

The dealer is dodgy. We all agree on something. Have you googled the dealer, his wife, his stud and his employee if you have details? Have you googled the name on the passport. This may simply be a name they gave him for the passport but maybe it will tell you something else?

If your vet found both microchips then I wonder why the dealers vet didn't find one already implanted. Was this the vet who vetted Prince? Could have been careless or perhaps it is a regular occurrence. Have you googled the vet? there are disgraced vets.

Just because the dealer got a cheap horse that he flogged on to you doesn't mean the horse has a problem. He could well have but equally he could have come from anywhere. Someone who wanted to hide his problems and get some quick cash for him or someone genuine who just sold their old horse. Or an ex racehorse or any number of scams.
Until you get the 1st micro chip number I think you are stuck. If you can find the original owner or breeder you may be able to see his real name/parents etc. Googling that may tell you his history, if he raced etc.

I am afraid I do share Indie and Amirah's concerns about your pro rider. Have you bought a horse with a problem history or have you bought a horse that has acquired his problem since he arrived. That is not due to your own mismanagement (I must stress that) but down to either being ridden with unexplained hives or by your pro rider.

I appreciate your inexperience and the word "pro" means an expert but it doesn't always. If you take a pro, especially a man with an ego, who is going to get a problem horse working it can end badly if that horse is sensitive. It can go very badly wrong. You take a horse who is perhaps playing up a little and turn him into a wreck. I know that because the first horse I bought was similar to Prince. (I was not the rider with the ego BTW :D)

I too don't understand why you don't want a 2nd set of eyes to see if he can be sorted. It doesn't have to be at your yard if you would rather the rider didn't know. You could take him somewhere to get some assistance.
 
Just as a thought - if you do eventually have to give up on him for whatever reason, perhaps buying something smaller with a known local history via pony club perhaps (e.g. most adults would fit fine on a 14.2/15hh New Forest cross) would give you more security next time. A large pony would also be easier for your daughter to compete when she is ready. Apologies if you are 6ft and that isn’t an option! We have had some amazing NF crosses - perfect for a novice, looked after children even at a young age and generally had/have amazing personalities.
 
Alwaysmoretoknow said:
Kiera I really feel for you. Nobody is born knowing anything about horses and the only reason we learn is that another person and horses take the time and have the patience and experience to teach us. Some of us are lucky to have this help as children so that we have some experience before we are old enough to make our own decisions - others of us are not so fortunate and have a steeper learning curve when we enter the world of horses. Despite having been in the equestrian industry for over 40 years I'm still dismayed by how much I still don't know any how many mistakes I can still make. Your compassion for the poor horse you seem to have been mis-sold is truely commendable. If it would be any help in your current situation I am about a 45 minute slow drive in a lorry/trailer from you and you are welcome to bring Prince to me to live out with or next door to my retirees for a while and maybe take the pressure of you for a while. I live on site and the only conditions would be that he is ok with electric fencing and has his back shoes removed. We don't have crab flies here and it is chalk (dry) grazing.
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What a lovely Lovely person you are thank you so so much. Luckily I have paid in advance for Prince to be at full livery until mid August where he currently is - thank you SO much though. Your post has been like a bit of sunshine on this nightmarish day x
 
paddy555 said:
LOL Amirah :D:D don't need the tears for mine. It would be more a case of prising the horse off him. Once it has arrived he would never give up on it whatever the problems. We have far too many horses. :rolleyes:

on a serious note Keira there are so many considerations here. Is the dealer going to refund you. Really? in the real world is that actually going to happen? You should have the name of the vendor on the receipt and also on your bank account/cheque however you paid for him. How are you going to get your money back if you go down that route? Court action bearing in mind he is in Ireland? what is the cost of that? is your OH going to be happy paying legal costs. You may be lucky and get a bank transfer but I suspect more likely if he agreed the money would not be forthcoming or at least not before the lorry arrived to collect Prince. Then there would be the situation of Prince has gone and reclaiming the money.

The dealer is dodgy. We all agree on something. Have you googled the dealer, his wife, his stud and his employee if you have details? Have you googled the name on the passport. This may simply be a name they gave him for the passport but maybe it will tell you something else?

If your vet found both microchips then I wonder why the dealers vet didn't find one already implanted. Was this the vet who vetted Prince? Could have been careless or perhaps it is a regular occurrence. Have you googled the vet? there are disgraced vets.

Just because the dealer got a cheap horse that he flogged on to you doesn't mean the horse has a problem. He could well have but equally he could have come from anywhere. Someone who wanted to hide his problems and get some quick cash for him or someone genuine who just sold their old horse. Or an ex racehorse or any number of scams.
Until you get the 1st micro chip number I think you are stuck. If you can find the original owner or breeder you may be able to see his real name/parents etc. Googling that may tell you his history, if he raced etc.

I am afraid I do share Indie and Amirah's concerns about your pro rider. Have you bought a horse with a problem history or have you bought a horse that has acquired his problem since he arrived. That is not due to your own mismanagement (I must stress that) but down to either being ridden with unexplained hives or by your pro rider.

I appreciate your inexperience and the word "pro" means an expert but it doesn't always. If you take a pro, especially a man with an ego, who is going to get a problem horse working it can end badly if that horse is sensitive. It can go very badly wrong. You take a horse who is perhaps playing up a little and turn him into a wreck. I know that because the first horse I bought was similar to Prince. (I was not the rider with the ego BTW :D)

I too don't understand why you don't want a 2nd set of eyes to see if he can be sorted. It doesn't have to be at your yard if you would rather the rider didn't know. You could take him somewhere to get some assistance.
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The bit i have put in bold is exactly what i wanted to say, but was trying to be too PC lol . It certainly would not be the first time an older male pro has decided to show a novice female 'how it's done', cocked the horse up then written it off as dangerous. There are a few pros in my area just like this. They get the job done and people think they are fab but they get the job done at a cost to the horses well being that i would never put any horse of mine through.

OP you are replying to other posts on here so you are clearly reading this thread but i dont understand why you dont want to answer how the pro rode the horse? It could make all the difference to your horses life??
 
Thank you so much everyone for your replies. I appreciate all your time reading and responding - I really do.

In answer to the question about the pro, he was certainly more stern/firm than myself but I was way too soft and ineffective (especially at first, although I gained a lot of confidence after a few weeks.) He was never ever rough though. Never used a switch. Just a stern tone of voice when Prince was napping.
In terms of getting a second opinion from another pro (and I’m so grateful to the people who have kindly sent details of people they recommend) I feel that I would rather get a full medical work up done FIRST so that if there is a problem medically it can be addressed as soon as possible. If he were to get the all clear medically, I would then want to visit another pro for behavioural advice. What I do know medically so far is that his teeth are good, his hooves are good, his heart and eyes are good, the vet did flexion tests with his legs and watched him trot from behind. He is not cold backed. So that leaves me left to explore the possibility of harder to spot issues (needing scans/xrays etc) such as ulcers, spinal problems etc..

Am I going to do this?? Guys, I just don’t know. I honestly am lost. I will however make my mind up very very soon, I can’t keep going around in circles - it’s no good for me or Prince.

What I can say is that I value everyone’s input very much - many of you have spent such a long time reading and replying. I’m sorry if I haven’t replied to you personally with my thanks yet.

I will let everyone know the outcome of this as abs when things happen and new things are discovered. I’m still awaiting a call from the vet with the second microchip number.

Thanks again to everyone who has stuck around to lend their advice and support x
 
Trouper said:
MMm I am not sure dodgy dealers are "sensitive" enough to learn from a bad transaction that lands back with them!
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The point is, if everybody insisted on their legal right to a refund when sold a dodgy horse then these types of dealers would go bust. Their business survives BECAUSE people do not pursue refund.

@Keira 8888 if you do end up getting a refund and sending Prince back consider posting his microchip numbers on here so if anyone else Google 's them this thread will show up.

Also when did the vet flexion test? Could Prince still have had bute in his system at the time? And just so you know (in case you do not already) not being cold backed does not mean there is no problem with the back. One more thing for future, with video what you do not know is how long it took to get the perfect 30sec clip or whatever you saw.
 
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indie1282 said:
OP i am going to be very direct with you now. Both myself and others on here have asked how your pro YO rode him and you haven't answered. I am betting that he is a hard rider and most likely gave the horse a few cracks with the stick to ' get him going' some horses will not tolerate this sort of behaviour and if pressured may go up. Bear in mind that you never had any problems with the horse until he rode him. And it's not because your horse 'likes' you better, it's probably because you treated him calmly and he responded. I fear that your YO has made this problem escalate and now he is saying he wont ride him because his method hasn't worked and he is now labelling the horse dangerous.

Also you dont seem keen to get another pro in to ride him? I understand that you may feel awkward getting someone else in but if your YO cant ride him then you have to try someone else. Also have you taken him off ALL feed? the Alfalfa may have caused this even. I just think that you should explore these options before spending money on a vet work up, the costs there can spiral very quickly.

Unfortunately if your husband wants his money back asap then your only choice is to pursue a refund with the dealer.

Please dont take this post as criticism because you are a novice owner who sadly has had poor advice from so called professionals and i really do feel for you.

ETA i think that it's BLATANTLY clear that the dealer is hiding something and is trying to bully/scare you in to keeping the horse, and there is definitely something fishy going on. I dont have a lot of legal knowledge but if you contact the BHS i believe they have a legal helpline and may be able to offer you some advice.
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I'm sorry but I disagree with this. I know that some pros can be hard riders or may not ride in a way that everyone agrees with, but a horse that has been sold as safe for an inexperienced mum (no offence meant, OP) and her young daughter to ride should not go straight up when put under a bit of pressure by a pro. Yes, maybe he has done something truly awful, but in general I think a horse sold as safe/been there done that should be able to tollerate e.g. a few cracks with the stick- maybe rear if he was really in distress but not go straight up to the point of nearly going over backwards and THEN do the same with the OP.

A horse that will go up in that sort of situation (and I agree some will) is generally not suitable for a novice owner and often needs careful management.

If I had a horse that had gone up twice, I'd also be reluctant about trying to get another person on board without doing some vet investigation etc, first. To say you "have" to try someone else is unfair, I think.

Also, even if another, more sensitive/better/female pro can ride the horse, that doesn't mean it will necessarily come good for OP and her daughter. That kind of schooling is also usually £££ and won't be covered by insurance.
 
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I'm sorry but I disagree with this. I know that some pros can be hard riders or may not ride in a way that everyone agrees with, but a horse that has been sold as safe for an inexperienced mum (no offence meant, OP) and her young daughter to ride should not go straight up when put under a bit of pressure by a pro. Yes, maybe he has done something truly awful, but in general I think a horse sold as safe/been there done that should be able to tollerate e.g. a few cracks with the stick- maybe rear if he was really in distress but not go straight up to the point of nearly going over backwards and THEN do the same with the OP.

A horse that will go up in that sort of situation (and I agree some will) is generally not suitable for a novice owner and often needs careful management.

If I had a horse that had gone up twice, I'd also be reluctant about trying to get another person on board without doing some vet investigation etc, first. To say you "have" to try someone else is unfair, I think.

Also, even if another, more sensitive/better/female pro can ride the horse, that doesn't mean it will necessarily come good for OP and her daughter. That kind of schooling is also usually £££ and won't be covered by insurance.
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The horse has hives and has been fed on Alfalfa - which can blow plenty of horses minds. This has happened all AFTER the horse had been in the UK for a few weeks. I have said in previous posts that the horse need a month in the field on nothing but grass with a bit of hay if required THEN reassessed. I just cant understand why this approach is so difficult to understand or implement? If another pro rides it and it still rears then you can go own the Vet route if required. One of my horse is a sweet and kind chap but he completely lost his shit when i fed Calm & Condition, he literally could not contain himself. So i took him off it, gave it a few days and guess what? I had my lovely horse back.

Yes the OP may never want to ride it again but if the horse comes good it can be resold.

I'm sorry but the fact that the OP wont acknowledge the posts asking about how the pro rode the horse only makes me think that something went wrong, now OP has a horse that has been labelled dangerous. And none of it's really her fault.
 
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