sportsmansB
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Funny how all these brand new users come on to debate this, isn't it?!
Newton Stud slurry death
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Steerpike
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Lots of new users this evening.....
Blackhathorse
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I'm a new one - my attention was drawn via the facebook hate and its been the topic of discussion at my yard . I was shocked to discover the omissions as the fire has never been mentioned...
holydaysandholidays
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I'm new, I've seen the facebook posts and feel so sorry for the owner. But I feel its been very deceptive not to mention the fire.. This wasn't a 'normal' situation, and the owner obviously wanted everyone to know her side but missed out something really vital to the story.
Sossigpoker
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Well what has the fire got to do with anything? This horse isn't the only one to have died at this stud, even on this thread a user is saying they have lost two yearlings there. Several people have come forward on Facebook to say their horses died there- this place seems to have an awful lot of deaths happening!
This and their awful attitude and behaviour following the death of Die Kallas tells me what I need to know about that place. The words barge and pole come to mind.
This and their awful attitude and behaviour following the death of Die Kallas tells me what I need to know about that place. The words barge and pole come to mind.
Sossigpoker
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They've had quite a few horses die there and I doubt they were all in one night due to the fire.
INDIA1999
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There's a lot of fake information posted on Facebook for sure. It is such a shame that people cannot be honest and deal only in the truth especially where horse welfare is concerned.
I am not sure I can clear up your confusion but my understanding is that yes there was a fire however it was mid summer so presumably the vast majority of horses were in the Devon fields unless someone can correct me. The horse concerned was not in the barn that was on fire so presumably it was a measured evacuation/walk to the field of the two horses mentioned unless someone can correct me. The horses were turned out in a field with a lagoon within it unless someone can correct me. The stud staff presumably were not responsible in any way for ANYTHING OTHER THAN ENSURING THAT THE HORSES IN THE YARD WERE REMOVED FROM THE YARD AND CONTINUED TO BE SAFE. Perhaps someone reading this can tell me how many horses were evacuated, how many staff they had, how long it took to evacuate them. It would be great to know none of the staff checked on the panicked horse again until the following morning. You say you can see the lagoon being clearly fenced off - isn't the point that the GATE WAS LEFT WIDE OPEN CAUSING A HORSE TO DROWN IN ABBATTOIR WASTE? I don't know the details of that but I suspect all that contributed to the stud being negligent and having to say that they were negligent because there isn't an Option B. The only posts I have been able to find about Die Callas and her retirement were POST HER DEATH suggesting she died suddenly in the field. It was one post in H&H I found. I rather think she will have struggled to stay afloat and died a TERRIFYING DEATH. I also found that Anna Ross Davies posted I think in spring of the same year that the horse was coming back to work/competition. I haven't looked recently but do dig that one out if you can. I do not know about the GB Team horse thing as I have seen it she was shortlisted for Rio (much self congratulations from Anna Ross Davies) and then injured. So she was off I presume and getting better - that's certainly what the post I saw from Anna RD suggested.
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BlueSocksGirl1
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Hi i'm a new member and have joined the forum because this has been spoken alot about at my yard. This seems so deceiving to me, the fire has never been mentioned. I don't know what to believe on any of this thread now?!
crellow4
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Dozens and dozens of mares and foals have died at this "professional stud", many any more have been removed from their "care" with chronic, life threatening worm burdens - despite owners being charged for regular wormers.
Social media bullying campaigns have been launched by the stud and their sister companies. Threatening behaviour when owners speak out about the treatment of their much lived horses.
Whether there was a fire or not, the gate to a slurry/sludge lagoon must NEVER be left open - whether there are livestock in the adjacent field or not!
Social media bullying campaigns have been launched by the stud and their sister companies. Threatening behaviour when owners speak out about the treatment of their much lived horses.
Whether there was a fire or not, the gate to a slurry/sludge lagoon must NEVER be left open - whether there are livestock in the adjacent field or not!
Sossigpoker
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I just can't stop feeling horrified over what awful death that poor horse had. Struggling for god knows how long to stay afloat and to drown on the debris of dead animals....it's the stuff of nightmares.
Sossigpoker
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And sounds like the horses in the field weren't checked either.
My yard has field liveries, some pregnant mares , some youngsters and some retired. They are checked as a minimum twice a day but usually it's more often and if there's any concern the yard owner will go over night and check if need be. The thought of horses not being checked after a fire is just disgusting.
holydaysandholidays
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It seems very harsh to criticise the staff at the stud and blame them for not doing the emergency evacuation well enough. the photos of the fire are horrendous. They must have been terrified, surely they just ran back for the other horses in the barn
StretchyBetty
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I’ve read todays article which led me to this forum. It seems to me that it was a tragic accident which can happen to anyone. I’ve looked at the FB posts and I now think a very one sided version of events has been told with massive omission of details skewing the views of the followers. For me the really shocking part of this story is some of the hateful comments on social media. Who on earth thinks that it’s ok to suggest that the stud owner should hang herself, what on earth has happened to the equestrian ‘community’?
fiveleafclover21
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You seem very well-informed about some parts of this story but then very confused about other bits. Were you involved in some way? Or is this just information gleaned from Facebook? I'm just not sure who to believe.
I highly doubt the mare was not checked again for hours (perhaps someone who was there would know) but I assume she wasn't in a panic when they left her. It sounds like the gate was left open totally by accident (presumably in the stress of a fire?).
I'm sure I can find the bit about her retirement, I'll see if I can find it.
I highly doubt the mare was not checked again for hours (perhaps someone who was there would know) but I assume she wasn't in a panic when they left her. It sounds like the gate was left open totally by accident (presumably in the stress of a fire?).
I'm sure I can find the bit about her retirement, I'll see if I can find it.
INDIA1999
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I am still struggling to understand what the fire has got to do with it unless stud staff were engaged fighting the fire and there's photos posted by me and others of firefighters. So stud staff surely making sure horses are OK. And how many horses would be inside and how does it have anything to do with turning them out in a field with access to a slurry pit?
BlueSocksGirl1
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I don't understand this? You can clearly see the fence between the slurry pit and the horse if you zoom in to photo?
ycbm
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Anyone in their right minds with youngsters on the fields would have a slurry pit double fenced with strong and high fencing on all four sides.
I think the fire is largely irrelevant to why a horse died by drowning in abattoir waste. Horses can panic any time.,
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I think the fire is largely irrelevant to why a horse died by drowning in abattoir waste. Horses can panic any time.,
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Blackhathorse
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I'm horrified by these comments, It sounds awful and you are criticising their actions in a huge fire.
fiveleafclover21
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Crellow4 - I have seen the odd complaint, but from what I can see they have several hundred horses so it seems normal that some would be ill/injured. I once read that 5% of all foalings go wrong! I certainly haven't seen any mention of "dozens and dozens" - can you elaborate? I have to say the only bullying I've seen has been towards the stud and some of it has been really vile - regardless of who's to blame many people seem to have forgotten #BeKind. In this instance I think unless you have a direct experience of the place, there's probably no need to get involved. I have been shocked at some of the comments and those people have definitely become people I would avoid dealing with - so unprofessional to get involved in mud-slinging!
In reply to other posters - I think the fire is definitely relevant. Presumably the poor staff were in such a rush to evacuate the horses that the gate wasn't checked (on Google maps it looks a long way from the other gate). That field looks to be near to the barns so I'd imagine she was one of the first to be rescued? Unless you've been in a fire like that (I have) you just can't imagine the stress and pressure that is on you to save as many as you can. It may have been summer, but that's peak foaling season so I guess there were probably quite a few horses in? I can't even imagine the difficulty of trying to evacuate mares with foals at foot!
ycbm
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What possible excuse would there be for a gate leading to a toxic slurry pit to be left without a chain and padlock on it, never mind open?
What if children had thought it would be fun to play there and fell in?
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fiveleafclover21
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I was under the impression it was a gate within a field, rather than from a road?
It doesn't bear thinking about, but from what I read in the H&H story, the stud admitted liability straight away and the argument was only about the value of a (likely retired) horse? Although an absolutely horrible accident, I don't think the case was actually anything to do with it - it was all about working out the amount owed to the owner?
It doesn't bear thinking about, but from what I read in the H&H story, the stud admitted liability straight away and the argument was only about the value of a (likely retired) horse? Although an absolutely horrible accident, I don't think the case was actually anything to do with it - it was all about working out the amount owed to the owner?
Red-1
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I think the fire happening at the same time is relevant. It was a bad omission from the FB story. Kind of takes some credibility from the rest.
I do, however, agree that a slurry pit should be better fenced anyway. And the gate shut/locked, just to prevent form accident in normal times.
There does also seem to be a lot of instances where horses have not had the best of care. But then, who knows the other side of the story there either?
I do, however, agree that a slurry pit should be better fenced anyway. And the gate shut/locked, just to prevent form accident in normal times.
There does also seem to be a lot of instances where horses have not had the best of care. But then, who knows the other side of the story there either?
teapot
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Just tried again and I get a massive red circle and a question mark (it's in the area) but even so
Blackhathorse
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It is so sad when it becomes all about money...
INDIA1999
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What's vital About it?
Gingerwitch
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Omg, I am so sorry, the amount of posts on here that say send to youngstock livery..... I feel so sorry for you.
INDIA1999
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Wow you are well informed.
INDIA1999
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all seeming to focus on a fire.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Who made it all about money? A livery owner charging for the livery of a dead horse?
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Gingerwitch
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I wonder how many brown envelopes crossed palms to get that glowing right up?
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