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I'm very happy to pass judgement on people whose horses are at best struggling, at worse suffering as a result of their actions.
Oh but I do - whenever I get the opportunity - in exactly the same way I pass judgement on any person or group of people who practice animal abuse openly and without any true conception of how much long term emotional and psychological damage they are doing to that animal.
In addition to the two horses that died a border collie had to be euthanized. The dog didn't come when Pat whistled him off some cows. He got a hold of the dog and tied a hind leg under the collar and turned it loose for the rest of the day. He tore his hind leg up so badly he had to be put down and all because of this guys ego. I had the woman who called to tell me about the dog say that no one stood up to Pat and help that dog. Why didn't anyone say, Stop it or I'll turn you in? Over a hundred people witnessed the dog situation.
This is dreadful. I'm beginning to wonder why the movement has become so very popular. The ladies I know who practise it think they know more than anyone about horse behaviour. It comes across to me as trying to break a horse's spirit. This thread has simply confirmed my views.From the water deprivation thread. https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/water-deprivation-as-a-training-tool.538255/
The above is exactly why you are correct to judge Mrs J. The dog needed someone to speak up on their behalf and no-one did.
This is dreadful. I'm beginning to wonder why the movement has become so very popular. The ladies I know who practise it think they know more than anyone about horse behaviour. It comes across to me as trying to break a horse's spirit. This thread has simply confirmed my views.
And how do you know if she is turning out, bringing in or moving your horse by teaching it the parelli way ? Problem with parelliets is the think they know better and others whom don't follow this method are stupid.The yard manger In my yard is mad into parelli . It not for me but I don’t pass judgement on people who train on that style.
I want to take this opportunity to correct myself, and apologise for previously having given Pat Parelli a bit of praise on another thread, some years ago. I said that I had one of his books, way back from when he started to get famous in Europe in the early 90's, which had once helped me with a dog problem.
I used to have a Smooth Collie that didn't pull on the leash. Except whenever she thought we were turning to start to go home, then she would throw herself forward, and nearly yank my arm off/make me fall on my face.
ETA Difficult to brace myself against it, since I never knew when she would realise that we might be on the way home./eta
When I wrote the reply I remembered that I hadn't been able to find anything about that problem in my dog books, instead I had found the solution in a Horsemanship book. I remembered I had the Pat Parelli book, put one and one together, and didn't go to the bookshelf to check.
Today, it has passed so many years, I wasn't sure I really had a book by Pat Parelli. Went to the bookshelf to check, and found that I have more than one book in the Western Horseman series. The one by Pat Parelli, but also Problem-solving by Marty Marten.
Oops. Sorry, it is Marty Marten that I should have praised.
It is his suggestions for how to solve problems with horses who either wants to rush home to the stable, or doesn't want to go far from the stable, which fixed the problem with my dog.
Is this supposed to be surprisingly enlightening, I worked this out when I was about thirteen. I must be a genius.You ride the horse out, doesn't matter how far, then go back to the barn. But then, you go back in a different direction. Rinse and repeat a few times. Horse soon learns that anticipating the trip home is a bit pointless because you might just go out again.
That's been my take on Parelli as well. Cue up people who chatter non-stop whilst walking their horse on a lead line, telling the horse there's nothing to be scared of. Oof.From my experience "I do Parelli" means "I'm a bit scared of my horse so I wave things at it instead of actually having to ride it"
I dont know why you are so down on this?Cue up people who chatter non-stop whilst walking their horse on a lead line, telling the horse there's nothing to be scared of. Oof.
I dont know why you are so down on this?
I was in my early years of learning and had to lead a horse I didnt know quite a long way on my own. The teacher had compared it to taking a toddler for a walk. I was responsible and one does talk to a toddler. I recited Ride a Cock horse to Banbury Cross to the mare over and over again as it was the only rhyme I could think of with equestrian content.
Stupid really but horses do like me and do do as I say.
Talking to the horse means ones mind is on the horse; and the horse gives one its attention back. Contrast more experienced people leading horses while on their phone.
Skib - I sing to mine. AC/DC's Back in Black is good for keeping my butterflies in check, the poor neds must think 'oh no, not again!'
Actually the phrase 'natural horsemanship' really boils my piss.
As opposed to what? Unnatural horsemanship? And why don't we have natural goatmanship, or natural dogmanship, or catmanship? We don't really know what wild horses do in behavioural terms as there aren't any. Prezwalski's horses, which an old university colleague used to study, are feral at best, and the same applies to the Camargue horses.
So maybe we need to remove the feelgood word 'natural' and just revert to horsemanship. Then again, if someone has horsemanship skills, they generally don't have to flag it to you...
Or demonstrated in front of crowds of thousands of people, many of whom got up and walked out in protest. (Catwalk).
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I and my husband both walked out of a Parelli demonstration here in Ireland just a few years back, sadly very small numbers of the huge audience seemed to see the abuse and downright cruelty we were seeing.
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Marty Marten is a good guy. He's based near Boulder and used to do regular clinics at my barn there. I went to several with my first horse and then my current horse. He spent a lot of time talking about softness and lightness and standing around doing very little that was exciting, just gently encouraging the horse to soften its jaw and poll. Was it him who suggested what we used to call a 'star' for dealing with horses who wanted to rush home? You ride the horse out, doesn't matter how far, then go back to the barn. But then, you go back in a different direction. Rinse and repeat a few times. Horse soon learns that anticipating the trip home is a bit pointless because you might just go out again.
Is this supposed to be surprisingly enlightening, I worked this out when I was about thirteen. I must be a genius.
WTF are these two bitches trying to achieve here? I don’t get it at all.This is the one eyed horse
This was taken from an anti show jumping site - but in my mind applies to all disciplines from Tennessee horse walking to Parelli to showing to breeding to hunting to dressage to ......... View attachment 54541all can be done well or in an abusive manner - it all depends on compassion and feel and human frality? To my mind Parelli, like whatever discipline, can be good or can be misused.