Goldenstar
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I should imagine that Coyotes are killed as vermin, much as rabbits etc are.
I think this very likely to be the case .
I should imagine that Coyotes are killed as vermin, much as rabbits etc are.
Maybe you are misinformed! Maybe in your part of the world not in UK ,hides are not that valuable .Approx 0.20% total value of carcase hardly profitable. So when taken from the animal it is a by product that helps towards the cost of processing said animal.You are misinformed, it's not just a by-product. It's actually the most profitable part of a cow.
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I think different people have their own personal definitions of what they find ethical or not. I imagine they'd say the same about the down but because it isn't quite so obvious fewer people would worry about that anyway.
I think different people have their own personal definitions of what they find ethical or not. I imagine they'd say the same about the down but because it isn't quite so obvious fewer people would worry about that anyway.
Maybe you are misinformed! Maybe in your part of the world not in UK ,hides are not that valuable .Approx 0.20% total value of carcase hardly profitable. So when taken from the animal it is a by product that helps towards the cost of processing said animal.
Interesting. I always thought that English leather was high quality and therefore expensive. A hide makes up 1/10th of the whole animal; definitely not an inconsequential part of the whole. Over here, proportionately, the hide is one of the most valuable single parts of the cow and leather products originating from here command a far higher value than imported leather.
The links I found are vegan/lib sites, so not sure whether they are biased or not ...
http://www.care2.com/causes/the-shocking-truth-about-leather-no-its-not-a-meat-byproduct.html
http://liberationbc.org/issues/leather
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/anima...-more-than-a-by-product-of-the-meat-industry/
the hide ... will sell for $30-40 ex abattoir
Can you give me links to this price (out of interest) as I'm over here and I can't find any links giving hide prices from the abattoir lol! I know that to buy a tanned hide, they are super expensive, but that's an end product, as is leather. I know what I pay for a freezer cow and what they sell to the slaughterhouse for and proportionately it does not make sense that the hide would not sell for a much higher price than you suggest, unless bones are of exceptionally high value.
yes definitely. it's a grey area I think, for me. If they had responded to say 'they are all shot by skilled bods in canada so there is no lingering in traps for 3 days' then I'd fully support the idea! It seems carefully worded
I think people need to realise that in extreme weather jackets real fur has to be used as man made alternatives just dont do the job.
I get that too. I think that if you are exploring Antarctica then maybe ethically (?!??) sourced fur could be a necessity, but there's a big difference between that and going out to do the horses here when it's a bit chilly
Yeah that's how I feel about it too.
I get that too. I think that if you are exploring Antarctica then maybe ethically (?!??) sourced fur could be a necessity, but there's a big difference between that and going out to do the horses here when it's a bit chilly
Don't buy it.
Simple, Quit moaning.
For those wondering about the down feathers in this, and other down jackets....
http://gentleworld.org/how-down-feathers-are-collected/
I've never really looked into it before but I didn't know there was such a thing as 'live plucking'. Grim.
I wasn't moaning! I was just saying that I was shocked that animal fur was being marketed on an equestrian jacket
Most feather duvets come from China too nowadays... I've started buying wool pillows from the UK instead now and will probably have a wool duvet too next time for winter.
yes, and I think it is fine to 'choose' your battles as well. I eat meat for example but I would never buy foie gras. I understand that certain animal fur is the best thing to wear in the Arctic. I do not believe wearing dead wolf/coyote is justified in the UK (even at -12, which it was here this morning!). Maybe people should google live plucking etc and educate themselves about down as well.
Dont forget that the english cold is different from continental cold and can chill you to the bone in -2.
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