Shocking video, warning bit gory

After watching the longer clip I have no doubt that it was the right thing for that horse to be PTS. I don't think his anger and aggression was his own fault but I do think he was beyond help.
 
3Beasties said:
After watching the longer clip I have no doubt that it was the right thing for that horse to be PTS. I don't think his anger and aggression was his own fault but I do think he was beyond help.
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but the comments posted on the first video say that the horse wasnt PTS and is now running with a herd :confused::confused:
 
Merry Crisis said:
I dont think it really matters what he had an issue with!! He was a nasty spoilt piece of work that needed shooting, whether he had a problem with hats or not.
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It may well be true the horse should have been pts and earlier. That doesn't take away from what he was exposed to to provoke him! :rolleyes:

Tbh, it reminded me of bear baiting!
 
Watched this movie with the OH last night and the night before with my baby (who giggles like a loon everything BB talks!)
BB is an amazing trainer, and note what he said: "the human failed this horse", yes the horse had issues from birth, but that h was let to carry this aggression on and get to the size and strength where he can inflict such injuries was caused by people. We're too quick, often, to label a horse inherently nasty, we need to consider if humans played a part.
 
Paint Me Proud said:
actually i have rewatched the clips and read the comments but cant find the one i thought i read - lord knows where i read it then :confused::confused:
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I just read it but it could just be gossip 'the neighbour of the owner said...'. It's at the bottom of once of the longer replys on the first vid.

And yes, he is apparently running with mares!!
 
Paint Me Proud said:
actually i have rewatched the clips and read the comments but cant find the one i thought i read - lord knows where i read it then :confused::confused:
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Thinking about it I don't think it was actually confirmed on the film whether he was or wasn't PTS but that section did finish with buck saying that he'd suggested that it should be. I hope it was. Poor bloody thing.
 
That made me feel sad. Seems it made BB sad too. He's right, the horse was failed. Also, he was being pushed far too fast and too strong by the guy sacking him out. I think this horse was probably failed by a few humans thinking about it. Such a shame.
 
Very sad. The horse was failed by humans and didn't get any chance at a decent life at all. IF the horse was put out to run with a herd then I think that would be the best outcome - provided it was a semi feral herd.
 
Lintel said:
Well. No idea how everyone else interpreted that. I am no master horse analysis by any means! But I'd say it just looks like a spoiled child, wound up, lashed out. But that was some cracker!!
Maybe the fella was starved at birth- but my god.. somebody didn't assert there dominance at a very early stage. Horses are not puppies..
Wow slightly shocked.

Will be watching the thread!!

*adding* In all fairness, the horse warned him frequently that he was not in the mood for this **** but you would never expect that too happen... I mean you couldn't even do anything about that- even if you had a lunge whip, or item of protection. *SHOCKED FACE AGAIN*

*adding again* Just registered- the horse is palomino/cremello, are those horses not prone to having mental problems at times (from hearing people talk). Have seen a couple of people selling on there palominos (welsh D's and Welsh B cross) due to the horse just lashing out expectantly. Maybe coincidence, perhaps the breeding?
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Actually it does not look like a palomino (not that they are particularly prone to being mental anyway!) but more like a double pearl. Colours do not affect personality.
 
Jackson said:
Maybe I'm a bit nieve, but I would be a bit annoyed if someone was chasing me with a sack! It looked like it just had enough and snapped... scary.
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piebaldsparkle said:
What did he expect? Fight or flight and the door closed to flight, so only leaves one other option.
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coss said:
the horse was obviously un-nerved and timid about the blanket thing being thrown at it, kept turning in as it didn't want this thing thrown over its back... Wouldn't have expected quite such a violent attack but could see that it was getting stressed and was a bit like self defense as far as i could see :o
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Oberon said:
"I'm taking you to get stitches.....It's deep...we can see bone."
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All of the above.
 
That poor horse. It's like a stab in the heart when I hear people say "Just shoot it".
The only comfort I have is that horses don't know what having a gun pointed at them means.

My friend often says "Just shoot it" instead of PTS and I can not stand it. Have a heart.

I think there could have been many ways to help this poor little guy. Not saying that I could, but I'm sure someone could have.
 
Annielusian said:
That poor horse. It's like a stab in the heart when I hear people say "Just shoot it".
The only comfort I have is that horses don't know what having a gun pointed at them means.

My friend often says "Just shoot it" instead of PTS and I can not stand it. Have a heart.

I think there could have been many ways to help this poor little guy. Not saying that I could, but I'm sure someone could have.
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It may well be that the best way to help this horse, IS to shoot it. To turn it away with a herd may well work, in the short term, particulalry if the issues do all arise from oxygen deprivation and hand rearing, rather than a genune temprement issue. However the first time it requires any sort of vetinary treatment, will have to be the last time it does. a quck death s often the best possible outcome for an animal. It may well be that with hindsight the foal should not have been resusitated in the first place.
 
The horse was a dummy foal. The female owner had something like 17 stallions all running with her herd of mares. The female owner is nothing but a hoarder and an idiot. The horse was put down and should have been years ago if you ask me.
 
If the horse has brain damage any training may not be able to overcome un predictability. This wont be passed on though. Damage from oxygen deprivation is not genetic and his bottle feeding and early handling made this horse become what he is to a greater or lesser extent, depending on any level of and area of brain damaged. That's the way I see it from reading some of the info.

It appears BB isn't the bloke in the first video doing the sacking, I'm now interested if he sanctioned it?

ps Yes the owner sounds very irresponsible.
 
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YorksG said:
It may well be that the best way to help this horse, IS to shoot it. To turn it away with a herd may well work, in the short term, particulalry if the issues do all arise from oxygen deprivation and hand rearing, rather than a genune temprement issue. However the first time it requires any sort of vetinary treatment, will have to be the last time it does. a quck death s often the best possible outcome for an animal. It may well be that with hindsight the foal should not have been resusitated in the first place.
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It's just the way people say "Just shoot it" like it's some piece of rubbish to be thrown out :( It really upsets me. When someone said that about Ned, if I hadn't been so shocked by it, I would have punched them square in the face.

If indeed it did have mental issues, it should never have been put in that situation, it should have been PTS much earlier :(
 
Annielusian said:
It's just the way people say "Just shoot it" like it's some piece of rubbish to be thrown out :( It really upsets me. When someone said that about Ned, if I hadn't been so shocked by it, I would have punched them square in the face.

If indeed it did have mental issues, it should never have been put in that situation, it should have been PTS much earlier :(
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My OH says this almost weekly about my girl when we fork out money on her!! :D
 
Faracat said:
...Hand reared horses are notorious for having behavioural problems. This is one of the reasons why it is so important to try to find foster mares for orphaned foals.
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I know a very stupid person who purchased a shetland x falabella colt foal
and just because it was small & cute etc, they allowed it in the kitchen and house

It was treated as a dog / puppy - the little fella grew into a nasty little aggresive sod that took to attempting to smash the patio doors to gain access

It then attacked a neighbour who bravely bet it off with a shovel

When asked why the same individual didn't get the dam thing gelded they replied "oh he is too little to be gelded !!!"

It latter attacked a 16.3 point to pointer in an adjacent field who went through stud fencing to get away and ripped itself open on the pallings

all because a stupid *** brought the thing up like a pampered pooch :mad:

A double barrel to the head region would be the best thing imo
 
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Fiagai said:
I know a very stupid person who purchased a shetland x farabella colt foal
and just because it was small & cute etc, they allowed it in the kitchen and house

It was treated as a dog / puppy - the little fella grew into a nasty little aggresive sod that took to attempting to smash the patio doors to gain access

It then attacked a neighbour who bravely bet it off with a shovel

When asked why the same individual didn't get the dam thing gelded they replied "oh he is too little to be gelded !!!"

It latter attacked a 16.3 point to pointer in an adjacent field who went through stud fencing to get away and ripped itself open on the pallings

all because a stupid *** brought the thing up like a pampered pouch :mad:

A double barrel to the head region would be the best thing imo
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*FaLabella

* beat it off

* pooch

Do you not think the best thing would have been to not have treated it the way she did in the first place?
 
Moomin1 said:
*FaLabella

* beat it off

* pooch

Do you not think the best thing would have been to not have treated it the way she did in the first place?
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I of course bow to your masterly command of her Majestys english :rolleyes:

I have a wonky keyboard at the moment so you will have to bear with me little full moon! Thank you!

What do you think!
 
Fiagai said:
I of course bow to your masterly command of her Majestys english :rolleyes:

I have a wonky keyboard at the moment so you will have to bear with me little full moon! Thank you!

What do you think!
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Never good having a wonky keyboard!! ;)

I think it would be best that people don't take little falabellas into their homes like dogs!!

PS - can I ask how on earth you have managed to get a wonky keyboard?! :)
 
Moomin1 said:
Never good having a wonky keyboard!! ;)

I think it would be best that people don't take little falabellas into their homes like dogs!!

PS - can I ask how on earth you have managed to get a wonky keyboard?! :)
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Agrred about falabellas....Dont get me started on their other equestrian charges....

Mug of tea + Keyboard +JRT + Postman (but dont ask for further details - just say the Keyboard and JRT are on the replace list...!)
 
Fiagai said:
Agrred about falabellas....Dont get me started on their other equestrian charges....

Mug of tea + Keyboard +JRT + Postman (but dont ask for further details - just say the Keyboard and JRT are on the replace list...!)
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Ha ha, enough said!! Feisty little so and so's those JRT's!! I had a terrible to do with a JRT pup, my ex boyfriend's parent's cream sofa and a very full glass of red wine! :-(
 
Lintel said:
*adding again* Just registered- the horse is palomino/cremello, are those horses not prone to having mental problems at times (from hearing people talk). Have seen a couple of people selling on there palominos (welsh D's and Welsh B cross) due to the horse just lashing out expectantly. Maybe coincidence, perhaps the breeding?
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Ummmmm ........ no. :) ;) Coincidence I am sure, no more than the one tarring all chestnut mares.

That horse meant to attack (for whatever reason) and the chap was lucky that the horse stopped when it did.
 
Lots of things reading these comments such as who sanctioned the sacking out, round pens, ect. What exactly are you supposed to do with a horse that has issues that you need to put manners on? What take him on lovely walks through meadows? Walk him down in a 20 acre field? Sit in the stable with him and pretend you'll make a difference? All those saying too much pressure too young? While not the horse's fault, when you get to this stage it is make or break for the horse end of story. Do you people honestly think leaving him out til 4 would have changed him mentally? If you do please don't ever buy or breed a foal. Actually stay away from youngsters completely. While most babies are generally very good, treating them like cute little muffins leads to obnoxious youngsters other people have to straighten out. And yes it is very very rare to end up with a horse who has been messed up this badly but I've seen too many horses with obnoxious, not outright agressive, behavoir that is all man made. Then we get all this what I would have done differently crap. And how PTS is so sad.

And I'm also guessing you all missed the part when getting the trailer ready for loading in which he came after the guy over the fence. That horse had options and which did he choose? That's the real horse you're dealing with. Make no mistake if you want a horse to do things for you at some stage "pressure" will be put on them. If you ignore, make excuses for behavoir, and then try and sort it out later you've just screwed up your horse. Probably not to this point but it's going to take a whole lot more to sort it all out.

I don't really ever desensitise any horse because no one has ever needed it. But I have seen it done properly and needed such in this case. I am really shocked at how people think they are certain they could do something different and make the horse a solid citizen and criticise those who have spent years straightening out man made issues. Oh no we see a clip of a pretty horse who a mean cowboy is putting pressure on and think what an idiot.

I don't buy into Monty or Parelli but BB is a horseman and has trained many good ones along the way.

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Terri
 
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