CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
My old trainer would watch puppies and 'how they drink water', we used to rib him about it, he would never pick a "messy' or exuberant drinker.
"Should puppies have water at night?"
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Wow, nice xenophobia, really classy. Absolutely no need for that, and also a load of nonsense. You have no idea what countries people are posting from, there are three or four Irish posters on this thread.
Goldenstar
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My puppies get a small bowl attached to the crate at night once dogs are out of the crate and sleeping in bedroom they don’t have water from when I go to bed until I get up .
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Seeing as allowing horses free access to water has already come up on here, I'll pop this link up to an old HHO thread.Hopefully we all agree that horses should have free access to water, barring exceptional circumstances for veterinary reasons.
Restricting horses' access to water IS used as a training or control tool by certain low lives.
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ETA I'm not even sure whether the current JRT gets up to drink in the night. She sleeps in the kitchen. I suspect she doesn't drink as she firmly puts herself in her basket last thing at night and emerges stretching in the morning when I go down. The very salient point, though, is that she has free access to her water bowl and she could if she wanted to.
Restricting horses' access to water IS used as a training or control tool by certain low lives.
Water deprivation as a training tool
Last week I had cause to complain to Horse & Country TV and Ofcom that a program H&C showed indicated that to establish leadership and make your horse dependent on you as provider, it was fine to limit its access to water. I pointed out that if the program were shown anywhere in EU, where the...
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ETA I'm not even sure whether the current JRT gets up to drink in the night. She sleeps in the kitchen. I suspect she doesn't drink as she firmly puts herself in her basket last thing at night and emerges stretching in the morning when I go down. The very salient point, though, is that she has free access to her water bowl and she could if she wanted to.
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Goldenstar
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Horses should have access to water most of the time they of course don’t have access to water all of the time because we ride them and travel them and they can’t drink when they chose when we are doing that .
Horses in the wild have to walk considerable distances to drink so they manage their water intake with periods where they want and need to drink but need to forage more .
In the past the horses who where stabled often where watered by buckets offered through out the day and teaching horses to drink from buckets when it is offered is a really good thing to do with competition horses .
Just giving a horse a bucket is not an enough you really need to know how much and when your horses drinks if it’s having athletic demands made of it .Some horses show strong preferences about drinking a lot of horses have bucket preferences and research has been done on that to help with the management of horses travelling for their work .
I have a horse who shows a strong preference for green buckets with a handle he’s does not like a green trug it has be a bucket .I had one who liked to drink from a hose ( that horse had probably had nasty slimy badly cared for buckets in the past ).
Water restriction as a training tool is not ethical imo .
Dogs are not horses of course but they too did not evolve with water in their dens .
My dogs don’t have water when travelling in car which they do a lot.
Pearl is an easy drinker and will drink happy from a bowl at a pee stop Dram is not and this has been something I need to manage when he’s travelling particularly in summer .
Hes nine and I have managed not to kill him off so far .
But it’s something I need to remember when he’s travelling I need to note how long he’s gone without drinking and do something if I feel it’s a problem .
Horses in the wild have to walk considerable distances to drink so they manage their water intake with periods where they want and need to drink but need to forage more .
In the past the horses who where stabled often where watered by buckets offered through out the day and teaching horses to drink from buckets when it is offered is a really good thing to do with competition horses .
Just giving a horse a bucket is not an enough you really need to know how much and when your horses drinks if it’s having athletic demands made of it .Some horses show strong preferences about drinking a lot of horses have bucket preferences and research has been done on that to help with the management of horses travelling for their work .
I have a horse who shows a strong preference for green buckets with a handle he’s does not like a green trug it has be a bucket .I had one who liked to drink from a hose ( that horse had probably had nasty slimy badly cared for buckets in the past ).
Water restriction as a training tool is not ethical imo .
Dogs are not horses of course but they too did not evolve with water in their dens .
My dogs don’t have water when travelling in car which they do a lot.
Pearl is an easy drinker and will drink happy from a bowl at a pee stop Dram is not and this has been something I need to manage when he’s travelling particularly in summer .
Hes nine and I have managed not to kill him off so far .
But it’s something I need to remember when he’s travelling I need to note how long he’s gone without drinking and do something if I feel it’s a problem .
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
We always carry water with us on a walk as the JRT likes her drink stops.
Nonetheless last year we managed to train her to be terrified of the water bottle by pouring water over her on hot days at the stops to cool her down
. That has taken some overcoming, but she will now accept a drink again on a walk and we never try to pour water over her when out. She's fine about it at home... She won't wear a cool coat.
Nonetheless last year we managed to train her to be terrified of the water bottle by pouring water over her on hot days at the stops to cool her down
. That has taken some overcoming, but she will now accept a drink again on a walk and we never try to pour water over her when out. She's fine about it at home... She won't wear a cool coat.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Water on the underside/belly/under arms is more effective, even if you just wet your hand and rub her. Over the back will just pour off and not get to the parts of the body that exude all the heat.
Teaselmeg
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Dogs are naturally polyphasic sleepers, which means they sleep in shorter blocks than we do. This is why puppies wake in the night. As they get older they work more to our sleep patterns. They should always have access to water 24/7, restricting water is not humane and can lead to over drinking when access is given.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
Sorry, this is a comment on the “training method” not you personally, but most people manage to toilet train puppies without with holding water! It just sounds such a heartless way to do it.
Our dogs have always had access to water overnight. What next - not giving your horse water overnight so it’s bed isn’t so wet??
TGM
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I'm an awful person judging by some of these replies - I've hesitated to post because I suspect I am going to get crucified by some posters on here, judging by some of the personal insults that have been flung at others on here. I've raised two puppies and neither had water in their crates overnight. However, they did have water freely throughout the day (from 5.30am when they came out of their crates, through to 10pm bedtime). To be honest, I've never felt the need to have a drink in the middle of the night, so I wouldn't expect a healthy pup to either. One pup always slept right through from day one - it should be noted that when let out she didn't feel the need to dive straight into her water bowl, so can't have been suffering from terrible water deprivation. The other occasionally needed to be let out to toilet so could have taken a drink then, but strangely enough never felt the need.
Surely there needs to be a bit of common sense involved? Obviously, if a dog or puppy is ill in any way, or seem to be horrendously thirsty when let out in the morning, then you may need to make other arrangements. But if a pup is healthy, has water freely available at all other times and is only in the crate for a few hours when they are sleeping, surely that is not a terrible problem.
Yes it must be horrible to feel really thirsty and not be able to quench your thirst, but it is also horrible to be really hungry and not be able to eat, but people don't get accused of cruelty for not leaving food out for their dogs overnight.
Surely there needs to be a bit of common sense involved? Obviously, if a dog or puppy is ill in any way, or seem to be horrendously thirsty when let out in the morning, then you may need to make other arrangements. But if a pup is healthy, has water freely available at all other times and is only in the crate for a few hours when they are sleeping, surely that is not a terrible problem.
Yes it must be horrible to feel really thirsty and not be able to quench your thirst, but it is also horrible to be really hungry and not be able to eat, but people don't get accused of cruelty for not leaving food out for their dogs overnight.
Barton Bounty
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I love this post!
The part about the food, I imagine if my staffy Harry was left food overnight he would need a wheelbarrow to get him out for a pee, he came from the sspca and had been starved and we have never been able to slow him down eating his dinners,
Annette4
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You've said what I was trying to say but couldnt articulate. None of my dogs have water in their crates for various reasons but they have free access during the day. I can't remember the last time the 3 raw fed dogs drank from their water bowl at home to be honest but it's there should they wish to have access.
Sandstone1
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Food is not water though. Any domestic animal should have access to water. if they have to walk from upstairs or another room or not. To deprive a animal of water is wrong.
MuddyMonster
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No, I've never restricted water.
But for probably the first 9 months or so our rescue dog was so nervous he wouldn't drink (or eat) out of a bowl so we used to have to bury a bowl in the garden (so the bowl was hidden) and take him to a natural water source to drink multiple times a day.
I'm glad he got over that as the stress in a heatwave was insane. On the plus side, pretty certain we know ever stream, river, pond and fjord in like a 10 mile radius so that might come in useful one day.
But for probably the first 9 months or so our rescue dog was so nervous he wouldn't drink (or eat) out of a bowl so we used to have to bury a bowl in the garden (so the bowl was hidden) and take him to a natural water source to drink multiple times a day.
I'm glad he got over that as the stress in a heatwave was insane. On the plus side, pretty certain we know ever stream, river, pond and fjord in like a 10 mile radius so that might come in useful one day.
Smitty
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Sometimes when my dog has overdone running up and down my stairs which are as steep as the Cresta Run, I lock him in his cage in my bedroom at night. On quite a few occasions he has woken me up and on going downstairs to let him out I notice he has made a bee line for his water. It may be that I keep the house at 18 degrees minimum and this makes him thirsty.
An animal communicator that I contacted after my terrier went missing some 12 years ago said that he told her he was tied up underneath a caravan without free access to water, which he was offered at various times during the day. If Smith felt the need to mention it that must have been important to him.
An animal communicator that I contacted after my terrier went missing some 12 years ago said that he told her he was tied up underneath a caravan without free access to water, which he was offered at various times during the day. If Smith felt the need to mention it that must have been important to him.
TGM
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I think you have totally missed the point. Both food and water are essential, but they can happily and comfortably go without both for the relatively short period of time that they ARE SLEEPING! They are not running about, they are not lying in the sun, they are asleep and using up very little fluid. (Obviously, as said previously if your animal is ill, then that is a different situation).
CanteringCarrot
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Wow, interesting thread. Some of you have shown your true petty colours here 
what a holes.
Mine always have water available. They're sort of naturally in a routine where they don't seem to drink much or at all after 9pm. However, it's there if they want it.
My puppy always had water and she had as many accidents as I can count on one hand. None of which involved her laying in her own filth.
I honestly think some people just can't be arsed to get up in the night or take a puppy out frequently, which is how it is in the beginning. Yes, I lost sleep, but it was temporary.
I'm of the view that most of us aren't worthy of animals. Sometimes I include myself in that statement.
what a holes.Mine always have water available. They're sort of naturally in a routine where they don't seem to drink much or at all after 9pm. However, it's there if they want it.
My puppy always had water and she had as many accidents as I can count on one hand. None of which involved her laying in her own filth.
I honestly think some people just can't be arsed to get up in the night or take a puppy out frequently, which is how it is in the beginning. Yes, I lost sleep, but it was temporary.
I'm of the view that most of us aren't worthy of animals. Sometimes I include myself in that statement.
Sandstone1
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Sorry but I have not missed the point at all. Fresh water should accessible at all times. of course if the dog is asleep it will not be drinking but water should be there if it wakes up and needs a drink. I am also not a fan of crating dogs for hours on end which seems to be the done thing these days. I am not saying crates do not have their place but they are often miss used. Have a look at the five freedoms/ domains. Im not getting in to a long drawn out HHO line drama on this but I am honestly shocked that people do not give their dogs the absolute basic needs.
Sandstone1
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I agree with this. Im honestly shocked at some peoples attitude to this.Wow, interesting thread. Some of you have shown your true petty colours here
Mine always have water available. They're sort of naturally in a routine where they don't seem to drink much or at all after 9pm. However, it's there if they want it.
My puppy always had water and she had as many accidents as I can count on one hand. None of which involved her laying in her own filth.
I honestly think some people just can't be arsed to get up in the night or take a puppy out frequently, which is how it is in the beginning. Yes, I lost sleep, but it was temporary.
I'm of the view that most of us aren't worthy of animals. Sometimes I include myself in that statement.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
I've mentioned this before, but my lot have drinking trees in the woods and use them. If it hasn't rained for a while, we take water, but they know all the spots, the unused trough etc. Another dog walker found it hilarious to see Goose half hanging out of the tree (one drinking spot is up a way in the hollow of a split tree) 3rd generation of dogs to do this, nobody died yet.
Sandstone1
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Im not saying they can not drink from natural areas though. Just that they should have access 24/7 at home. Its a very basic welfare need.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Wasn't replying to you? Just reading re travelling/dogs on walks and having water available.
TGM
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Again, totally missing the point again. The pups were not crated for hours on end, but between the hours of 10pm and 5.30am WHEN THEY WERE SLEEPING - that is not crate misuse! I am quite familiar with the five freedoms and note that freedom from thirst and hunger are put together in the same bracket, yet no-one is saying that food needs to be available whilst the dogs are sleeping in case they feel a bit peckish.
If my pups felt they were being 'deprived' (such an emotion laden word) of water whilst they were sleeping they would be straight to the water bowl in the morning. But they didn't do that, so were showing absolutely no signs of being 'deprived'.
Sandstone1
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I did not say you were replying to me. Just pointing out that dogs can and will drink when out and about but should still have access to water 24/7. I think thats what the thread is about?
Sandstone1
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No, sorry its you thats missing the point. Water is a basic need. I have looked after literally hundreds of dogs and would never not have water freely available to them. How do you know they dont wake up for a drink if you are not watching them all night? You are wrong. simple as that.
Clodagh
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This thread is really nasty.
Similar to the barefoot discussions back in the day where if you shod your horse you were lazy, inept, cruel, and a despicable human being.
Tbh I think if people are going to be personal, rude and insulting they need to back away. Or this thread needs locking.
Similar to the barefoot discussions back in the day where if you shod your horse you were lazy, inept, cruel, and a despicable human being.
Tbh I think if people are going to be personal, rude and insulting they need to back away. Or this thread needs locking.
Sandstone1
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I have not been rude or personal but I am out. People are not going to agree on this which is quite shocking to me on something so basic.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Controversial topic, clearly, at least to some posters with very strong opinions. Interesting that we can't agree on an issue sometimes without some people descending to insults.
TGM
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Food is a basic need too, so why aren't you advocating that is available all night.
I'm not wrong, it is just that my opinion is different from yours.
When I had my first pup I slept alongside her for the first week or two and let her out to the toilet if necessary and she didn't drink then. Second pup had an older dog for company so I slept upstairs, but my open bedroom door was at the top of the stairs, kitchen at bottom of stairs and I'm a light sleeper with good hearing, so if she had been unsettled I would have heard. (I said this in my previous post too, hence me thinking that you may be missing the point). Plus she didn't race to the water bowl when let out in the morning, which she would have done if thirsty. Just a little bit of common sense needed really, which seems a rare thing these days, it is all hyperbole, emotive language and scattergun allegations of cruelty.
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It would never occur to me not to have water on offer during a journey, but then again I am probably mental and do longer journeys than others 
one box has a bucket/pail (the other one was nicked, sigh!!) one has a deep hooped bowl with hooks and the single box in the mid section has a normal bowl, as it tends to stay flat and stable, being in the middle. I also carry a 5l water bottle. Travel is very dehydrating for dogs, mine always drop a bit of weight on longer trips and it's the only time I feed wet food, to keep their fluids up.
one box has a bucket/pail (the other one was nicked, sigh!!) one has a deep hooped bowl with hooks and the single box in the mid section has a normal bowl, as it tends to stay flat and stable, being in the middle. I also carry a 5l water bottle. Travel is very dehydrating for dogs, mine always drop a bit of weight on longer trips and it's the only time I feed wet food, to keep their fluids up.
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