sorry! had to share my puppies with you!

I havn't really ventured onto the 'dog' area much before either,I won't be returning,contructive views yes,being plain horrible is not,I was only sticking up for my poor dog being called a 'mutt',would you allow someone to say that about your dog? X breed or not?
 
erm yes. My lurcher is a 'mutt' and I dont take offence at that. Infact I'm pretty sure even the pure breds get called mutt on a regular basis.
 
fruity said:
I was only sticking up for my poor dog being called a 'mutt',would you allow someone to say that about your dog? X breed or not?
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What is the difference between calling them mongrels or mutts or cross breeds? I really don't think that mutt is an offensive term and frequently called my KC registered pedigree spaniels that. So yes, I would allow someone to use that term.
 
So the op is going to play the victim card because we do not agree with her and all us who have disagreed are friends and are all in cohorts against her and her little puppies:eek:.

As I said way way back a lot of people on here are involved in rescue and this situation is not going to make them happy because they deal in situations like this day in and day out and are rightly sickened by it.
 
fruity said:
I havn't really ventured onto the 'dog' area much before either,I won't be returning,contructive views yes,being plain horrible is not,I was only sticking up for my poor dog being called a 'mutt',would you allow someone to say that about your dog? X breed or not?
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I regulary call my pedigree a mutt. Mutt / Mongrel are not offensive IMO just descriptions of types of dog.
 
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CT really surprised at your response you of all people are aware of irresponsible breeding without health testing, your dogs if memory serves me correct are proof of it.
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One dog, the others are fine, thanks.

I am against breeding without health testing, most certainly. But what I am even more against is the excessively rude way that some people have responded. I don't think it was necessary after the initial posts. Certainly, no-one needs to descend into insults, be it the OP or someone replying.

Education is extremely important in this area: sadly, the only thing the OP is going to learn here is that some people are incredibly rude. It's a shame, as I've no doubt she or anyone would benefit from the knowledge and experience of those who have much to convey.

I find that shouting teaches less than reason and a measure of sensitivity.
 
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One in three isnt good odds!
The only crazy insults flung have been by the OP as far as I can see. Ok so S4S hasnt been pink marshmallows and fairys in her replies and they are rather blunt but she is only saying what the rest of us are thinking.
 
cinammontoast said:
One dog, the others are fine, thanks.

I am against breeding without health testing, most certainly. But what I am even more against is the excessively rude way that some people have responded. I don't think it was necessary after the initial posts. Certainly, no-one needs to descend into crazy insults.
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The only one trading insults on this thread is the op who insulted S4Sugar as Medusa & S4Sugarshitebag. Dont believe me, go back and read all the posts.
 
Cop-Pop said:
Goodness whats got into this place these days? S4sugar - there is no need to act like the spanish inquisition! Can I remind people that there have been plenty of more regular members who have bred crossbreed puppies who haven't been treated like criminals (one only a couple of threads below) :confused: Yes I know there is a problem with irresponsible over breeding but quite frankly there is no need to be so rude!
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Well said :)
 
I am not playing the victim,i was using mutt as one of the many negative terms she called my dog. Well maybe i was being a little 'sensitive' but can you blame me after the abuse i received! Yes i am well aware of the crisis going on in the rescue centres,so many Staffs etc,these puppies have homes and like i said i would keep them if a problem should arise so no i don't think i'm being a bad breeder,in fact i'm doing all i can to be a good breeder,the amount of worm ridden badly looked after pure bred puppies that come into work,in fact i think i'm doing a pretty good job with my puppies.
 
To be fair CT, everyone spouts the whole "I will not be returning" when things don't go there way, and believe it or not some folk feel that way about other things mentioned on the forum be it training/food/feeding advice/neutering, not just back street breeding, I have noted a fair few being named as bad owners for feeding bad food or not feeding barf, so literally folk will pick and choose what is offensive/offending on the day.

I have skim read, but caught the usual (x breeds are healthier) there is NO evidence of this what so ever apart from the usual example of my x breed lives this long and my pedigree never. This proves little as the pedigree could have been back street bred too.
Its not only X breeds that are back street bred and I disagree with that too.
My problem with random x breeding is the fact that you are crossing in most cases dogs that really should not be crossed due their traits/breed descriptions, this= a very difficult dog which in turn = behavioural issues hard for some to deal with= get rid of the dog, also as I stated you cannot in most cases tell what they dogs will end up looking like (unlike a pedigree, you can do your homework (granted a some DON'T bother) in regard to traits, see the parents for a visual of what you puppy will END up looking like.
I have seen some hideous looking X breeds and believe me they would have looked CUTE as pie when purchased and this was indeed enough for the purchaser to get shot of the dog.
 
fruity said:
I am not playing the victim,i was using mutt as one of the many negative terms she called my dog. Well maybe i was being a little 'sensitive' but can you blame me after the abuse i received! Yes i am well aware of the crisis going on in the rescue centres,so many Staffs etc,these puppies have homes and like i said i would keep them if a problem should arise so no i don't think i'm being a bad breeder,in fact i'm doing all i can to be a good breeder,the amount of worm ridden badly looked after pure bred puppies that come into work,in fact i think i'm doing a pretty good job with my puppies.
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What abuse?

My Battersea dogs home dog was a wonderful ratter and cattle dog, would I have considered breeding from her no,if she had puppies could I have rehomed yes, she was a very popular pretty dog. So why didnt I breed from her? because there are too many dogs in rescue chasing too few homes. Its a no brainer isnt it.
 
This thread is quite shocking in the way people have responded. I certainly do not condone breeding for the sake of breeding but some people really have come across as being holier than thou' on this thread. I am not sure why some people seem to think they are better or 'above' the OP because they only breed or would buy a purebred dog. Surely there are pure bred dogs also that turn up in rescues?? Not all of these will have been from backstreet breeders I am sure. So, why is it better for people to be breeding ANY dog en mass??

It's greed essentially in most cases - the extortionate prices people put on dogs never ceases to amaze me.

All the dogs we have ever had have been x-breeds whether intentional ones or not and most dogs I see about are a x of some description. If the OP has got homes for all these puppies then I don't see what the real issue is - it is no more risky than a top breeder selling their dogs - at the end of the day they have no way of guaranteeing what will happen in the long run to the puppies they sell.

Also, I am not sure why this poster isbeing slated when the post for "Hatties Puppies" just seems to be getting a positive response? Bit odd that!
 
Katikins said:
If you are getting a pedigree then it is quite often a different matter... but I see NO reason AT ALL for justifying breeding cross breeds. If you can give me one reason that can stand up fire away... but I highly doubt it!
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I have read this thread with interest. I dont agree with indiscriminant breeding of unsuitable dogs and this has all got a bit out of hand with some of the comments made on both sides which i dont like either. But i do have to take issue with this particular statement. Pedigrees are not the be all and end all, dogs such as terriers and lurchers are bred with a completely different purpose and crossing is all part of that. I have spent especially in recent months a lot of time with working terriermen and at working terrier shows/terrier racing etc. A lot of these dogs are cross bred and you wouldnt recognise a working lakeland and a pedigree one if you stood them side by side as even being the same breed. Especially in terriers there is very little concern for pedigree in the KC sense. It is all about working ability and temprement and crosses are frequent to breed a great terrier. These cannot be obtained from rescues. This doesnt mean they should be common place and anybody should just go and have a litter. My terrier pup may be a cross breed but i have a list of his breeding back 5 generations as he comes from champion working stock which would never go anywhere near crufts or the like but has not come away from a working terrier show without being placed.

God that turned out longer than expected. Very cute pups as most puppies are cute.
 
No it isnt. And as explained on that thread those pups forum members believed were a not only a total accident but found out too late to do anything about. This appears to not be the whole truth as it turns out. Both litters of pups are 'cute' Hatties pups wont look so cute if they have inherited all their dads health problems though.
 
SplashofSoy said:
I have read this thread with interest. I dont agree with indiscriminant breeding of unsuitable dogs and this has all got a bit out of hand with some of the comments made on both sides which i dont like either. But i do have to take issue with this particular statement. Pedigrees are not the be all and end all, dogs such as terriers and lurchers are bred with a completely different purpose and crossing is all part of that. I have spent especially in recent months a lot of time with working terriermen and at working terrier shows/terrier racing etc. A lot of these dogs are cross bred and you wouldnt recognise a working lakeland and a pedigree one if you stood them side by side as even being the same breed. Especially in terriers there is very little concern for pedigree in the KC sense. It is all about working ability and temprement and crosses are frequent to breed a great terrier. These cannot be obtained from rescues. This doesnt mean they should be common place and anybody should just go and have a litter. My terrier pup may be a cross breed but i have a list of his breeding back 5 generations as he comes from champion working stock which would never go anywhere near crufts or the like but has not come away from a working terrier show without being placed.

God that turned out longer than expected. Very cute pups as most puppies are cute.
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I totally agree with all of this. No problem with working dogs crossed and bred for working homes, as long as they arent shelling them out to the general public to make a quick buck.
 
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I totally agree with all of this. No problem with working dogs crossed and bred for working homes, as long as they arent shelling them out to the general public to make a quick buck.
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Absolutely agreed, just had to answer the question raised and no true working terrier breeder would really do it to make money anyway.
 
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Vizslak said:
I totally agree with all of this. No problem with working dogs crossed and bred for working homes, as long as they arent shelling them out to the general public to make a quick buck.
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Working homes aren't always perfect and are no more guaranteed than a non working home. My BiL is a farmer and has been for years. In recent years (since I've known him) he has helped to rehome countless working dogs because theyre no longer wanted - not all of these are crossbreed ones. Sometimes it was because they weren't good enough and other times it was because they werent needed. When I was younger I had a collie x - she was an amazing herding dog but when her owner shut her leg in the tractor door and broke it he didnt want her anymore :( Yellow Dog was bred to work - hes probably done about three days in 8 years :D
 
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OK, that was my bad, I should have been more clear. I realise a lot of working terriers/lurcher are cross bred although they usually also have homes lined up before the pups are even born. I'm referring to cross breeding just for the sake of breeding with no actual 'purpose' to it. I maintain that if you want a cross breed as a pet... go to a rescue. Even if you want a puppy there are plenty in rescue centres.

Also, by the pedigree statement, I meant people who want a pedigree puppy from proven lines that is health checked etc.
 
For sure you are right CP but there are far fewer bred and MOST as in the very high proportion stay in their homes and do their job. Also very few of them end up in a rescue, they often change hands for sure but dont generally end up in rescue centres.
 
My puppy will be working and the one off to the farm will,they were bred for working but it just so happened 'family' homes were interested also,I think it's nice that the litter are going to a bit of both. Dad is a very well bred Lakeland,he and my bitch work together and make a fab team,the puppies will be going to homes close to me and I am over the moon with that,I'm sorry if some of you think what I've done is so bad but I know I am taking care of the pups very well and they will have a wonderful life,all homes are very happy with their puppies. I can assure you the decision to breed what not a whim,it was thought about for a long time.
 
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This made me smile as i thought of my aunt and uncles old springer, bred out of fab working parents and would retrieve anything provided it didnt have feathers, as wouldnt have feathers in its mouth!

Fruity it sounds like you have given this a lot of thought and are prepared if the pups need to come back etc. Hope the people having them really enjoy the pups.
 
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I think some of you on here are unnecessarily harsh. I have been on the receiving end of this, and I does put people off and stops them asking for help here.

In this instance I think you need to turn your attention away from the OP who has homes for these puppies and turn it to stopping programs encouraging cross breeding and designer dog. I am watching dogs 101 on animal planet it is going through a loads of cross breeds saying what makes good crosses and encouraging the breeding of these crosses.
 
ladyt25 said:
This thread is quite shocking in the way people have responded. I certainly do not condone breeding for the sake of breeding but some people really have come across as being holier than thou' on this thread. I am not sure why some people seem to think they are better or 'above' the OP because they only breed or would buy a purebred dog. Surely there are pure bred dogs also that turn up in rescues?? Not all of these will have been from backstreet breeders I am sure. So, why is it better for people to be breeding ANY dog en mass??

It's greed essentially in most cases - the extortionate prices people put on dogs never ceases to amaze me.

All the dogs we have ever had have been x-breeds whether intentional ones or not and most dogs I see about are a x of some description. If the OP has got homes for all these puppies then I don't see what the real issue is - it is no more risky than a top breeder selling their dogs - at the end of the day they have no way of guaranteeing what will happen in the long run to the puppies they sell.

Also, I am not sure why this poster is being slated when the post for "Hatties Puppies" just seems to be getting a positive response? Bit odd that!
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^^^^^^^^^^ This This This

Its been like a pack mentality on this thread and not nice to read.

Its not about crossbreeds or pedigree IMO there are just too many puppies being bred by people that have no interest at all in their welfare. When I asked why british bulldogs are now finding their way into rescue homes when 5 years ago they were like hens teeth I was told on their forum that breeders have increased in volume to ' better and enhance' the breed. Bloomin Bolloclks its because a litter can command £12k+ and nothing else.

The OP has some gorgeous little puppies there and they all have good homes to go to, which is more than can be said for loads of pedigree litters.
 
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