sorry! had to share my puppies with you!

I got my post count up to 748 in the vain hopes of one day being invited into the clique- and now I am told there is none. Well, eff you. Eff you all! I want back all those minutes I've spent making drunken, nonsensical but nonetheless really salient to the issue posts.

I've had enough of this effing rubbish. I'm going to join the petforum thingy or one of them other ones. Bet the soddin wine list is better too.
 
Get a grip!! I don't post much on here, I'm more a lurker and like the horse part of the forum. Just felt strongly that yous were going at this poor woman like she was the cause of all doggies ending up in rescue centres!!

If sitting on a forum slagging people off is your idea of fun..... then you really need to get out more!!

I'm more of a motor junkie myself, but yes I do understand what you are saying pix
 
Pix said:
I got my post count up to 748 in the vain hopes of one day being invited into the clique- and now I am told there is none. Well, eff you. Eff you all! I want back all those minutes I've spent making drunken, nonsensical but nonetheless really salient to the issue posts.

I've had enough of this effing rubbish. I'm going to join the petforum thingy or one of them other ones. Bet the soddin wine list is better too.
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Was there a clique, I didnt know, wasnt invited, was it cos my dogs is black. Is it cos Im old. Im really upset.

Dont go on that pet forum thingy they are not allowed to talk about cross breeds in there and there is someone in there really scary, makes Cayla look like a pussy cat.
 
Oh fun, yes of course FUN is the motivation for the replies. Blimey what planet are you on?
Pix the wine list is rubbish over there that's why I stayed in here. :p
 
-Sj- said:
Get a grip!! I don't post much on here, I'm more a lurker and like the horse part of the forum. Just felt strongly that yous were going at this poor woman like she was the cause of all doggies ending up in rescue centres!!

If sitting on a forum slagging people off is your idea of fun..... then you really need to get out more!!

I'm more of a motor junkie myself, but yes I do understand what you are saying pix
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actually i think you've entirely missed the point but nevermind.
and im not a member of any clique personally. I might start my own actually but it'll only be for people with a sense of humour so sadly i dont think i can invite you.

also, i dont think anyone goes to bingo anymore. ;)
 
-Sj- said:
I'm more of a motor junkie myself, but yes I do understand what you are saying pix
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S'cause I make all kinds of sense when I'm on my 2nd bottle of wine and jiggling around to Tim Minchin. Were I sober, the post would have gone 'yeah but. well, no. But. Cause no.' Thus I post only when at least slightly wibbly.

I like cars. I like to regale people with tales of how awesome certain cars are, and what they can or cannot do, whilst secretly being deeply amused that I know all this stuff and yet have no idea how to actually change a tire. I'm more a computer junkie myself.

(If you meant motorbikes, substitute the word 'cars' for 'motorbikes' and "I like to regale people with tales of how awesome certain cars are, and what they can or cannot do" with "I stare blankly at people, cause 'bikes don't feature much on Top Gear".)

ETA - To be completely honest people, I don't think poor wine lists or speculating that anyone can be worse than Cayla, anywhere, on internet land or otherwise at giving out jobs is particularly nice. The wine part alone is almost button-pushy-worthy. I've never done it yet, but should anyone even suggest that lambrigno stuffy whatsits then frankly, you are asking for it.
 
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Pix said:
I got my post count up to 748 in the vain hopes of one day being invited into the clique- and now I am told there is none. Well, eff you. Eff you all! I want back all those minutes I've spent making drunken, nonsensical but nonetheless really salient to the issue posts.

I've had enough of this effing rubbish. I'm going to join the petforum thingy or one of them other ones. Bet the soddin wine list is better too.
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*NUTTER* ^^^^^^^ alert.......put the bottle down pix:rolleyes::p
The clique would have been you and Vizzy, get a grip lass:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
My non clique drinks bloody expensive champagne I'll have you know ( except cayla) no lambrini girls over here ( disclaimer; other cheap alcho brands are available)
 
Now look what you have done sj you have turned a perfectly sensible eleven page thread into utter nonsense AND awoken Pix who will shortly be infiltrating your brain via complex software and extracting your soul (we feed clique, sorry...non clique members on them)
 
CAYLA said:
I cos she is always dicking off :rolleyes: then comes back ready for a fight boozed up to the nines:rolleyes:
You can never predict the mood that one will be in when she returns I tell you:rolleyes::D
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I do not always vanish! I did it once. Nor am I always ready for a fight! I've been very not-fighty this evening. If I were a boxer I'd be a cuddly one made from cuddly material with googly eyes. I'd be on antiques roadshow with people in very old suits holding me up to the camera and saying things like "now we [who were born in 1910-1920] all remember these don't we? They were the epitome of childhood happy memories!"

I'd have a little stitched on smile. Awwww!

CAYLA said:
*NUTTER* ^^^^^^^ alert.......put the bottle down pix:rolleyes::p
The clique would have been you and Vizzy, get a grip lass:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Yeah. Well. Whatever! Vizzy missed me! It's all the social encouragement I need. I shall be installing myself in her house shortly. Don't worry if you don't hear from her for a while.


Just out of interest Vizzy, what part of the country do you live in again?
 
Cliquey? Really?

I am a lurker and irregular poster here and yes it is obvious that there have been some RL friendships made on this forum (which is awesome in my opinion), however I've always had my posts taken seriously and answered in a nice manner. With regard to 'keyboard bullies'... I think you'd find that the majority of people who have expressed opinions on this thread would be just as vocal about their opinions face to face. Obviously that's an assumption on my part but I know that I am (including telling my boss that his dog is fat and a very good, but touchy, friend to stop walking his puppy ridiculously far)!

Also, I agree its not necessarily x-breed vs pedigree... its breeders who breed because they want cute puppies vs breeders who are breeding to better the breed.
 
Well for years I wrote in a breed magazine and was happy to express my opinions in there under my real name so would certainly say what I say on here to anyone face to face.
And yes my main bugbear is breeders who breed for money, and particularly those who cross totally ridiculous breeds, give them stupid names and charge totally inflated prices for them. This is NOT a dig at the OP of this thread, who has referred to her pups as crosses, not anything fancy, and does appear to have gone beyond what is necessary in health tests as I said in Mrs Elles thread.
 
I'd just like to make a comment on the clique thing..

I'm often not liked in other areas of the forum-but AAD is the only forum where I have only ever received kind words, sympathy and most importantly fantastic advice. In other areas of this forum, there are cliques who defend each other regardless-on here, users will disagree without fighting, supporting the right course for their dogs/the dog in question.

I think you are much mistaken about the clique..
 
fruity said:
Thank you someone nice :) mum is a wonderful rat catcher and family friend,she is a very soppy girl and is fab with everything. Dad is a lovely working terrier,won many dog shows and is also fab with everything. I'd rather have a lovely little x breed that'll prob live a long healthy life than a more often than not in bred pure bred with health problems. My parents bred collies and I love my pure breeds but these are much loved parents and puppies and I am fortunate to be enough to be able to keep them if they have problems with their homes in the future. So why not?
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Good for you. I get so bored of the 'if it's a x breed it must be irresponsibly bred' attitude on here. I'm sure there's plenty of irresponsible breeders of pure bred dogs out there too - and that should surely be if equal concern to anyone with agenuine interest in dog welfare. Someone posting pics of purebred pups on here would not have got the same spanish inquisition style response.

I have a x bred dog (JRT x border terrier), bought as a puppy 18 months ago - and paid good money. From a farm. Oh and I live in a city, don't really have a garden, and work full time. I'm sure that's enough to make me an irresponsible owner, and the fact that my dog is happy and healthy is probably fairly irrelevant. Let's not get into thinking about my friend's totally unhinged pure-bred dog, bought at just 6 weeks old from a bloke in the pub - s'ok cos it's not x breed!

OP, very cute pups, hope they all enjoy the lovely homes you've got lined up for them :)
 
We say all the time on here that purebreds are just as bad (if not worse) when they're not health tested. Take my experience for an example. Xxx
 
fruity said:
I am not playing the victim,i was using mutt as one of the many negative terms she called my dog. Well maybe i was being a little 'sensitive' but can you blame me after the abuse i received! Yes i am well aware of the crisis going on in the rescue centres,so many Staffs etc,these puppies have homes and like i said i would keep them if a problem should arise so no i don't think i'm being a bad breeder,in fact i'm doing all i can to be a good breeder,the amount of worm ridden badly looked after pure bred puppies that come into work,in fact i think i'm doing a pretty good job with my puppies.
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Honey - people aren't questioning so much whether you are taking good care of your dog and her lovely puppies - they're questioning whether you should have bred from her in the first place.

Despite not being too impressed by some of the vitriol flung at you (folks there are better ways to get your (quite valid) points about the wisdom of adding to the already enormous overpopulation problem than being quite so snarky), I have to say that I agree with their sentiment.

Your bitch is a lovely dog and looks like she's making a good Mum - and the puppies are very cute indeed . . . but as the owner of two rescues - both "mutts" both abandoned as puppies and one with a rather unfortunate temperament, I have to say that I feel breeding from your dog was irresponsible.

Good luck with the puppies - their arrival might not have been wise, but they are lovely looking and I hope they continue to thrive and find good homes. Please don't breed any more though.

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OP has had the dogs health tested, she is not calling them manchand terriers/lakechester terriers, she has homes for all the pups (for which we can only assume she is not charging an extortionate amount), and has said she has the facilities to take pups back in the future (yes things can change but so can the situs of all pedigree breeders who give this guarantee I would imagine)

So I can't quite see why it kicked off so much :confused:
 
Katikins said:
its not necessarily x-breed vs pedigree... its breeders who breed because they want cute puppies vs breeders who are breeding to better the breed.
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"Breeders who breed to better the breed" . . . by what standard? Registered breed standard? All those ridiculous squashed faces causing breathing problems, brain damage, blindness, under/overbites? All those stupidly narrow pelvises for the size of the puppies?

I'm not having a go - honest - I just think this whole breeding issue/debate is much more complicated and far less black and white than alot of people (including some on here) seem to think.

Stepping away from the soapbox now . . .

P
 
well I think theyre gorgeous OP, I wish you lived near me so I could come round for a squeeze :D

I have a xbreed, I really dont think it matters in the slightest if a dogs a pedigree or crossbreed.

I would also object to my little girl being called a mutt.
 
ester said:
regular lurker wading in to huge thread!....

katikins your post just made me think, am not sure I can see justification for breeding pedigrees either. They are only pedigrees because we deem them so and have created said variation. I do admit to finding it hard not just to see a dog as a dog whatever it is and that the breed of dog (or not) may not indicate the care taken by the owner in its breeding.

*awaits enlightening*
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Ester, I love your scientific brain. This is what I've been thinking all along.

How the hell do people with pedigree animals think they were made. Get a grip. It's just snobbery.

The OP bred some puppies for herself and friends. They all have good homes and she has made provision to have them back if something goes wrong. How that could possibly be construed as irresponsible is beyond me.

Those of you saying no one should breed cross breeds because there are too many puppies, surely no one should bread ANY dog (pedigrees included) until the rescue centres are empty. If you've ever bought a puppy rather than rescuing then surely you're as much a part of the problem as the breeders. Whilst there is a market people will still do it won't they

I say this as someone objective who rarely comes in here. If anyone can tell me why all this is wrong I am happy to listen.
 
jesstickle said:
Ester, I love your scientific brain. This is what I've been thinking all along.
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someone has to ;)
 
ester said:
OP has had the dogs health tested, she is not calling them manchand terriers/lakechester terriers, she has homes for all the pups (for which we can only assume she is not charging an extortionate amount), and has said she has the facilities to take pups back in the future (yes things can change but so can the situs of all pedigree breeders who give this guarantee I would imagine)

So I can't quite see why it kicked off so much :confused:
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jesstickle said:
Ester, I love your scientific brain. This is what I've been thinking all along.

How the hell do people with pedigree animals think they were made. Get a grip. It's just snobbery.

The OP bred some puppies for herself and friends. They all have good homes and she has made provision to have them back if something goes wrong. How that could possibly be construed as irresponsible is beyond me.

Those of you saying no one should breed cross breeds because there are too many puppies, surely no one should bread ANY dog (pedigrees included) until the rescue centres are empty. If you've ever bought a puppy rather than rescuing then surely you're as much a part of the problem as the breeders. Whilst there is a market people will still do it won't they

I say this as someone objective who rarely comes in here. If anyone can tell me why all this is wrong I am happy to listen.
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Baaa! :D

Clearly lots of you think that Fraggle and Spocket shouldn't exist.

I couldn't care less. I do believe I love Fraggle more than anything in the world, ever! :D
 
jesstickle said:
Those of you saying no one should breed cross breeds because there are too many puppies, surely no one should bread ANY dog (pedigrees included) until the rescue centres are empty. If you've ever bought a puppy rather than rescuing then surely you're as much a part of the problem as the breeders. Whilst there is a market people will still do it won't they

I say this as someone objective who rarely comes in here. If anyone can tell me why all this is wrong I am happy to listen.
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THIS ^ . . . thankyou JT . . . I've had to bite my tongue many times when friends have bought either a designer crossbreed or a pedigree (I have one friend who paid £700 for a "pedigree" lab who is grossly oversized, is in danger of losing an eye and has horrible hips) . . . rescue, rescue, rescue . . .

Just my humble opinion.

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P.S. Oh, and it really winds me up when I hear people say "I'd love to have a [insert breed name here] b/c they are such lovely looking dogs" . . . temperament, suitability (in terms of prospective owners' lifestyle) and NEED ought to come way before looks . . .
 
PolarSkye said:
"Breeders who breed to better the breed" . . . by what standard? Registered breed standard? All those ridiculous squashed faces causing breathing problems, brain damage, blindness, under/overbites? All those stupidly narrow pelvises for the size of the puppies?

I'm not having a go - honest - I just think this whole breeding issue/debate is much more complicated and far less black and white than alot of people (including some on here) seem to think.

Stepping away from the soapbox now . . .

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I assumed breed to better the breed these days is to improve health, but if a breeder breeding crossbreeds is doing the same with regards to testing I am not sure I see the difference.
 
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