sorry! had to share my puppies with you!

I agree, it certainly is not just about pedigree versus X breeds, as there are as many badly bred ill thought out pedigrees. I do believe that breeding is mainly about greed and a quick buck. Even if you want a pup from your fantastical bitch, bitches rarely have 1 pup;) and im damn well sure that even though some/most folk are saying "oh we can offer back up". Things change, either financially/space wise/taking back a dog thats an issue either the dog it's self or your own dogs (esp a larger breed) unless you have kennels to house the dog.
Maybe some comments are a bit harsh, but the OP was very mishmash with the breed of the bitch to start with which straight away started folk thinking.

We cannot even as a rescue track the dogs 100% as hard as we try, we can chip them to us and neuter them so atleast the pups of the pups of the pups don't end up god knows where, as lest not forget about the breeding that will go on and on and on from these dogs.
We have a huge over breeding problem in this country, and still someone always has an excuse to NEED to breed.
Even as a rescue it makes me cringe a little when folk say (you should have took a rescue/you could have saved a staffy) I know folk do not want certain breeds and as within their right to get what they need/want at the time and rescues can be difficult, but it would be nice if we could do it a little more responsibly.
The OP has certainly been more responsible than the west x j.r.t post for sure.

The other post re the shih-tzu, thats a pedigree but folk are still not saying "oh breed, you must" they are giving reasons not too or atleast food for thought.
If some folk stop and think when reading some of these posts then maybe less
willy nilly breeding will go on.
The pups are cute of course (all pups are)
 
I agree with everything said but I thought it was very sad that the OP posted pictures of her puppies like zillions of others on here, that we love to see and she was jumped on and accused of being a backstreet breeder without any concern or thought for her circumstances.

There are others on here who breed for money and have a zoo of animals, regularly posts and never gets anything put praise and nice comments, never mind well wouldn't it be better if you worked for a living not just dog breed as a means of income.

Its double standards.
 
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BBH said:
I agree with everything said but I thought it was very sad that the OP posted pictures of her puppies like zillions of others on here, that we love to see and she was jumped on and accused of being a backstreet breeder without any concern or thought for her circumstances.

There are others on here who breed for money and have a zoo of animals, regularly posts and never gets anything put praise and nice comments, never mind well wouldn't it be better if you worked for a living not just dog breed as a means of income.

Its double standards.
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Leaping in with a huge agreement here.
I wanted to look at this post and see puppies. The last thing I thought I'd be doing is reading this marathon thread while going 'oh how mean, poor OP, she only wanted to show them off' - and quite rightly so.
If I told everyone of how I came to be with my dog, then I guess, according to this I'd have had my throat slit as that was an accidental breeding, and got money from it!! Jimmenny crippers!! (- I know, not really English is it?) I'd better get digging my grave. lol

I am with Fruity here, giving her a hug - I think she deserves it after this!!
 
BBH said:
I agree with everything said but I thought it was very sad that the OP posted pictures of her puppies like zillions of others on here, that we love to see and she was jumped on and accused of being a backstreet breeder without any concern or thought for her circumstances.

There are others on here who breed for money and have a zoo of animals, regularly posts and never gets anything put praise and nice comments, never mind well wouldn't it be better if you worked for a living not just dog breed as a means of income.

Its double standards.
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I dont know anyone on here who breeds as sole income and constantly get nice comments in relation to breeding.
No double standards here.
 
Agree with BBH
Most terriers I meet (particularly jack russels) are bred with no thought and no homes to go to. So long as she has homes for the pups, mum and dad are healthy-I don't really have an issue with one litter, providing she's happy to take back pups as required.
I have more issue with breeding dogs that can't breathe because they are 'pedigree' then I do with healthy dogs being crossed-pedigreees came about by someone breeding dogs to fit a certain characteristic.
 
If I still had my Battersea dogs home bitch(mongrel) and wanted to breed from her someone on here would enlighten me to the realities of the situation, rightly so.

I have seen no evidence of double standards on AAD just a bunch of people who love dogs not just their own but all dogs and a load of people on here are involved with rescue.
 
Dobiegirl said:
If I still had my Battersea dogs home bitch(mongrel) and wanted to breed from her someone on here would enlighten me to the realities of the situation, rightly so.

I have seen no evidence of double standards on AAD just a bunch of people who love dogs not just their own but all dogs and a load of people on here are involved with rescue.
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I clearly can't mention poster / posters but they'd be known.

I've said my bit and what I think. I'm not having the diatribe aimed at me now for trying to defend the OP's right to show her pictures without having to defend herself for breeding them in the first place.

My last comment on the thread.
 
Thank you all,I told my little bitch how much I love her and her puppies today and how special they all were to me. I gave much much thought to breeding,got to know the sire over 2 years and had both mum and dad work together before I decided to go for it. I am a once only breeder for good reasons I think,I did breed for the pups to work which is a purpose,it just so happens that they are also going to family homes,the word spread about the mum and dad being: A) good at their job B) fab with children,horses,other dogs,also being very obedient for terriers! Both come out on our estate hacking with me and not once have they ran off,always keeping in front of the horse and obeying every command. C) such loving and loyal dogs,with very good health. I didn't really sell them,people just heard via mouth. All gone before 3 wks old,which sais something surely!
 
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erm yes. My lurcher is a 'mutt' and I dont take offence at that. Infact I'm pretty sure even the pure breds get called mutt on a regular basis.
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well she took offence!! send her to me and Lola right away..!! :D

Lolas a mutt too.. i guess, although a very high up superior mutt!

I dont disagree with Xbreeds as I dont know enough to comment and of course my beautiful Lola is saluki type thing X god knows!! All I think is .. there are enough puppies and doggies around. If I were to breed a litter, I would want forever homes guaranteed for all of them... which I think is nigh on impossible to do. Pretty Pedigrees with proven this and that, that everyone knows what theyre going to turn into will also sell and have homes (even some of those end up in rescues though, I hasten to add!) ... what my ramblings are supposed to be getting across is... there are lots and lots of average puppies without homes.. theres no need to add to them surely?

and (I may be wrong, as I dont know much) with pedigree breeding, you can select good temperament and conformation but with X breeds the worser traits may well show.
 
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I havn't really ventured onto the 'dog' area much before either,I won't be returning,contructive views yes,being plain horrible is not,I was only sticking up for my poor dog being called a 'mutt',would you allow someone to say that about your dog? X breed or not?
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i call my dog a 'mutt' all the time. i think its just another name for a cross breed. please dont feel insulted although i undertsand you probably took it that way.

btw, if you dont mind me asking where you're based? im on the northants/oxon/bucks border myself, we could be neighbours!

good luck with your pups.

lula x
 
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Once again people take these kind of opinions as a 'mongrels are all bad'!! Nobody said that! A lot of people who post on here frequently have rescue mongrels and adore them and admit they are fabulous dogs. BUT, the rescue centres are overflowing and KILLING healthy dogs because people keep breeding cross breeds! Why would ANYONE add to the list of dogs in the world when you can get puppies from a rescue centre and therefore save another dog from death?

If you are getting a pedigree then it is quite often a different matter... but I see NO reason AT ALL for justifying breeding cross breeds. If you can give me one reason that can stand up fire away... but I highly doubt it!
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regular lurker wading in to huge thread!....

katikins your post just made me think, am not sure I can see justification for breeding pedigrees either. They are only pedigrees because we deem them so and have created said variation. I do admit to finding it hard not just to see a dog as a dog whatever it is and that the breed of dog (or not) may not indicate the care taken by the owner in its breeding.

*awaits enlightening*
 
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OP, I really hope you have had them health tested and you're not just saying you have to keep us here quiet.

If you HAVENT had them tested, please go to my recent threads (and my not so recent threads) about my dog Chloe. Just to understand what sort of a life you're giving these dogs.
 
What a bunch of sanctimonious nut cases. I thought the photo's were lovely and your bitch is very pretty. I am sure all of the puppies will have good homes in the not too distant future. I for one appreciated the pics.
 
You're puppies are just lovely! Well done to your wee mummy!!

In my opinion, your thread has been taken over and spammed out by a bunch of keyboard bullies!!!! I know plenty people who have had expensive pedigrees ect and ended up with all sorts of "known breed" health issues! Better off with a wee heinz doggy sometimes!
 
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You're puppies are just lovely! Well done to your wee mummy!!

In my opinion, your thread has been taken over and spammed out by a bunch of keyboard bullies!!!! I know plenty people who have had expensive pedigrees ect and ended up with all sorts of "known breed" health issues! Better off with a wee heinz doggy sometimes!
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So how many rescues are you responsible for sometimes.
 
You've spammed the womans post out to 11 pages!! Just go away and start another thread if you want to discuss crossbreeds and rescues!
 
Cripes you lot are nasty in here arent you??

The puppies are already here so all the waffling about breeding is pretty much redundant now. We had an entire Gordon setter but we never bred from him despite several people asking, reason - he has a TERRIBLE hip scoring. Miss him terribley we had him PTS not long ago as he was really showing sore hips :(

OP your pups are lovely just like every other puppy that enters the world. Would say though unless your breeding for breed developement I would spay your bitch. We kept ben entire to show, if we werent doing that he would have been done. If I ever get another dog it will be neutered as I dont believe in breeding. Plenty of lovely pups needing a home.
 
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You're puppies are just lovely! Well done to your wee mummy!!

In my opinion, your thread has been taken over and spammed out by a bunch of keyboard bullies!!!! I know plenty people who have had expensive pedigrees ect and ended up with all sorts of "known breed" health issues! Better off with a wee heinz doggy sometimes!
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Why? wee heinz dogs are prone to health issues too and the price of these wee heinz dogs are over taking the price of pedigrees, because folk are fickle and love a made up "out there name" and think they are problem free in regards to ill health clearly:rolleyes:
Those pedigrees you speak of could well have also been back street bred, and you still get the "known issues" with X breeds, you just 2 lots of issues which some folk cannot pin point to bitch or dog as they do not associate related issues because its a x, like in the other post, atleast those purchasing them who read this forum will "Know" the digestive and skin issues came from the father!
Still, I don't think it's a X breed versus pedigree. otherwise why are folk advising the shih-tzu owner not to breed without thought?
 
Very nasty indeed! Seems to be a little kleek of nasties in this section!!

You guys have already started another thread on the subject of crossbreeds perhaps you should take your opinions in there rather than keep coming back to this ladies thread!!
 
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You're puppies are just lovely! Well done to your wee mummy!!

In my opinion, your thread has been taken over and spammed out by a bunch of keyboard bullies!!!! I know plenty people who have had expensive pedigrees ect and ended up with all sorts of "known breed" health issues! Better off with a wee heinz doggy sometimes!
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coz the wee heinz doggys are just the fluffiezt cutiez wutest
 
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Very nasty indeed! Seems to be a little kleek of nasties in this section!!

You guys have already started another thread on the subject of crossbreeds perhaps you should take your opinions in there rather than keep coming back to this ladies thread!!
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It's clique.
 
Well you knew what was meant!

You must be very proud of it since it makes your sig!!
Makes me feel very sad that grown women would act in this manner
 
It might be a joke to you dear, but people can be easily hurt and upset by the kind of things you and your clique have said! There was no need for the way things have progresed in this thread and IMO it's yourselves that have carried it on through the evening for your own entertainment!

Jeez, take up bingo or summit!! LOL!!
 
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Well you knew what was meant!

You must be very proud of it since it makes your sig!!
Makes me feel very sad that grown women would act in this manner
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if that makes you sad you should see how i act.

it would make you cry.

actually it makes me cry too but thats usually when i have a really baaaad hangover.
you should come out for a drink some time, you sound like a barrel of fun.
 
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You're puppies are just lovely! Well done to your wee mummy!!

In my opinion, your thread has been taken over and spammed out by a bunch of keyboard bullies!!!! I know plenty people who have had expensive pedigrees ect and ended up with all sorts of "known breed" health issues! Better off with a wee heinz doggy sometimes!
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Genetics don't work that way. A mixed bag of genes is just that... a mixed bag of the unknown. It doesn't make the dog inherently better or worse than a pedigree. The only real difference is the prospective owner knows which heritable faults to look for with a particular breed and, more importantly, can examine the dog's line for previous faults. Remember, a pup isn't a 50/50 mix of just the damn and sire. There can be all kinds of things going on 'further up the line' that are not immediately obvious or do now show up in one either of the parents. Just look at Belyaev's foxes- there was a reason that, despite breeding only the most 'docile' of the initial population, he was still able to create both a docile and an aggressive population (by removing the kits with heightened aggression during the initial generations and putting them into a separate breeding plan. These more 'aggressive' kits came from the same 'score as friendly' litters that the eventual docile/domesticated kits did).

Obviously a pedigree dog does not guarantee you utter perfection. If it did there would be no need for health tests or breeders trying to improve the quality of their dogs, be it for conformation, temperament or working ability. Just saying that a mix won't necessarily give you perfection either. Each dog is, after all, an individual :)

I will stop speaking now :o:p

Good luck with your pups OP, I'm sure they'll be lovely little dogs and do their new owners (who are no doubt right now awaiting the day they come home with much anticipation) quite proud. Well done for getting homes lined up and contracting that they come back to you should anything go wrong, a responsibility that is often over looked, ignored or just completely disregarded (shame, to me at least it's one of the best things a breeder can do!).

(Re: the rescue part of the debate. Those families that are taking these pups may well have done as well or better with a worthy rescue case, particularly as the litter seems to have been bred for working. But they are here now, and they all have homes lined up.)
 
There is no clique. I have altered my sig just for you and others that are incapable of humour. So there are no misunderstandings :rolleyes:
 
So we should have said to the op well done, lovely puppies, breed some more thats just what we need more dogs to fill the rescues.

We live in the real world and are fully aware of the growing dog population, there are more dogs than there are homes for them and I guess it wont be people like you picking up the pieces and dealing with peoples irresponsible breeding.
 
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