The sacked horse hitting ex teacher is going to court

[Gallop_Away]

A lot of it is down to interpretation

Like it was with the a) b) c) post that I made. 100% not meant to be rude or direct or anything else, just the way I phrase things, I was amazed someone could interpret it any other way than the way it was meant to survey. But I think that says more about the person and what they think of me in general than what I wrote.

Not directed at you birker. I realise it's difficult to convey meaning writing on a forum and some things are misinterpreted.
However there are some who are blatantly rude and aggressive in their posts. It is a shame because it drags the discussion down

 

[SO1]

If you are teaching kids to load ponies maybe roadside is not a good place to do it as the risks are greater as if like in this case the pony gets lose and is on a road and could run off and get into a traffic accident.

In a field at a show where the pony is less likely to get on to a road would be more sensible.

Loading on a road is going to be one of the more risky places so you would want to make sure the responsible adult was doing it if possible.

that is very true and good to have it pointed out. If I had had kids there was no way that would have happened as they would be kept safely in bed wrapped in cotton wool.

For heaven's sake how is any one supposed to learn as a child, in this case to load a pony, if they don't get the practise in.

 

[tristar]

If you are teaching kids to load ponies maybe roadside is not a good place to do it as the risks are greater as if like in this case the pony gets lose and is on a road and could run off and get into a traffic accident.

In a field at a show where the pony is less likely to get on to a road would be more sensible.

Loading on a road is going to be one of the more risky places so you would want to make sure the responsible adult was doing it if possible.

quite, that occurred to me as well, the incident took place on the road, also not the best place to upset the pony by slapping it

 

[Birker2020]

no , you phrased the question ‘ would you be happy with someone like this who loses her temper so easily ‘ you and the rest of us on here have absolutely no idea if she loses her temper quickly . Other than this one incident. I added the ‘ unless you know her ‘ as you seem to write with the confidence of someone who knows more than the rest of us . So merely asked that question .

your comment about ‘having your head screwed on as you wouldn’t have her teaching your kids ‘ therefore insinuating that I’m bonkers .. is frankly laughable. (Well maybe i am a bit bonkers, but arent we all.. ) But certainly not with regards the safety of my children.

Its unfortunate that your new horse reacted the way he did. But, you are assuming your new horse has been hit, which may be the case, but its also possible that he hasnt. Maybe he just hasnt settled yet, and once he gets to know you he will feel more comfortable. From your posts hes certainly had a big change in his life which will have unsettled him.

Post 279
So how can I phrase this so I don't offend you (like I apparently did YCBM) - would you be happy for someone like the person in question to look after your young children given that she loses her temper so easily?

In other words 'similar to the person in question'. I prefer horse like WB's. I prefer hot drinks like coffee. I prefer ice creams like Big Feast. LIKE having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.

Stop trying to trip me up. It gets boring after a few years.

 

[Sandstone1]

There is a minority on this forum who can’t seem to just debate a point without being rude and insulting. Perhaps they don’t realise how what they’ve written comes across, I don’t know, but it’s that that gets posts/threads reported, not differing opinions.

People also accuse the wrong poster. I was accused of saying I didnt care if thousands of hounds were put down when in reality I said no such thing. I think it was a another poster. I said stop breeding them but apparently that meant I was cruel and should not call myself a animal lover! Oh well

 

[FestiveG]

People also accuse the wrong poster. I was accused of saying I didnt care if thousands of hounds were put down when in reality I said no such thing. I think it was a another poster. I said stop breeding them but apparently that meant I was cruel and should not call myself a animal lover! Oh well

On this thread?

 

[Xmasha]

Post 279
So how can I phrase this so I don't offend you (like I apparently did YCBM) - would you be happy for someone like the person in question to look after your young children given that she loses her temper so easily?

In other words 'similar to the person in question'. I prefer horse like WB's. I prefer hot drinks like coffee. I prefer ice creams like Big Feast. LIKE having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.

Stop trying to trip me up. It gets boring after a few years.

Ok, now I genuinely havent foggiest as to what you are going on about. But can say that you havent offended me, takes a bit more than this to upset me. Nope.. dont think ive tried to trip you up either on this thread or on any others.. what a bizarre thing to say.

 

[Birker2020]

Ok, now I genuinely havent foggiest as to what you are going on about. But can say that you havent offended me, takes a bit more than this to upset me. Nope.. dont think ive tried to trip you up either on this thread or on any others.. what a bizarre thing to say.

No worries

 

[blitznbobs]

There is a big problem in society when it is unacceptable to offend anyone. Voltaire seems to have gone out of the window (i disagree strongly with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it) … there are some interesting essays on why being able to offend is important and when offence is not tolerated in anyway you end up with situations like the Salem witch trials - its a very interesting read i will try and track down a link

 

[tristar]

Post 279
So how can I phrase this so I don't offend you (like I apparently did YCBM) - would you be happy for someone like the person in question to look after your young children given that she loses her temper so easily?

In other words 'similar to the person in question'. I prefer horse like WB's. I prefer hot drinks like coffee. I prefer ice creams like Big Feast. LIKE having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.

Stop trying to trip me up. It gets boring after a few years.

i would not be happy to leave her in charge of a child with a pony, she lacks attentiveness to what is going on, then hits the pony, so i would not be happy to
leave her with a pony or child, if either or both were mine

 

[Sandstone1]

It seems she pleaded not guilty and its going to Crown court.

 

[Birker2020]

It seems she pleaded not guilty and its going to Crown court.

Crown Court??? Most cases are heard at Magistrates Court. Crown Court is for serious crimes like murder or Magistrates may send a case to the Crown Court if they feel they don't have the power to set a sentence as severe as the crime deserves.

Sometimes you can ask to have your case heard by a Judge and jury. I think she probably elected to have her case heard there as I can't think of any other reason.

Crown Court apparently serves a minimum sentence of 5 years if found guilty. How she can prove not guilty is beyond me when the video clearly shows what it shows.

 

[Sandstone1]

I do not know to be honest, I just saw a update. I will have another look.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/31/form...-and-hitting-horse-appears-in-court-16020399/
It seems she has chosen to go to Crown court herself.

 

[ycbm]

Crown Court??? Most cases are heard at Magistrates Court. Crown Court is for serious crimes like murder or Magistrates may send a case to the Crown Court if they feel they don't have the power to set a sentence as severe as the crime deserves.

Sometimes you can ask to have your case heard by a Judge and jury. I think she probably elected to have her case heard there as I can't think of any other reason.

Crown Court apparently serves a minimum sentence of 5 years if found guilty.

Anyone is entitled to a jury trial on request for many offences normally done by Magistrates. ETA they are called "either way" offences.

It's how the Colston 4 got the verdict they did, a bench of Magistrates or a District Judge would never, imo, have let them off a criminal damage charge but the Jury were swayed by the defence barrister telling them to "be on the right side of history".

Your information on the minimum sentence is completely incorrect, the sentence relates only to the offence, not where it is tried. ETA So is your information on Crown Court, Magistrates Courts can only deal with offences with a potential maximum penalty of 1 year in prison and until this year it was 6 months, so Crown deals with many offences much less serious than murder.
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[Birker2020]

I googled it and that's what it said but happy to stand corrected.

 

[Birker2020]

 

[Birker2020]

Anyone is entitled to a jury trial on request for many offences normally done by Magistrates. ETA they are called "either way" offences.

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"Sometimes you can ask to have your case heard by a Judge and jury. I think she probably elected to have her case heard there as I can't think of any other reason."

That's what I said

 

[ycbm]

I googled it and that's what it said but happy to stand corrected.

Where is that cropped from? It isn't correct for either way trials or for trials referred up from Magistrates Courts for insufficient sentencing powers.
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[ycbm]

"Sometimes you can ask to have your case heard by a Judge and jury. I think she probably elected to have her case heard there as I can't think of any other reason."

That's what I said

I didn't disagree with you ?

 

[ycbm]

I googled it and that's what it said but happy to stand corrected.

Try actually reading the text that Google points to, not just screen shotting the snippet it returns to show you where to look in the Sentencing Guidelines.

Minimum Fixed Term Custodial Sentences
Drug Trafficking - Section 110 Power of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000


The section requires that a Crown Court shall impose a sentence of at least 7 years for a third class A drug trafficking offence if the offender:

was 18 or over when they committed the offence;
committed the offence on or after 30 September 1997;

Your screenshot quote was for a different crime. The above one is for drug trafficking, same wording. 5 years is the minimum for something other crime, not for hitting a pony.
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[ycbm]

To make this clear, I have looked up the report and she has elected to go for trial by jury, it has not been transferred to Crown because the Magistrates think a year in prison is not a long enough sentence.
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[Pearlsacarolsinger]

To make this clear, I have looked up the report and she has elected to go for trial by jury, it has not been transferred to Crown because the Magistrates think a year in prison is not a long enough sentence.
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What a complete waste of 'charity' money! Not that I blame the accused.

 

[Birker2020]

To make this clear, I have looked up the report and she has elected to go for trial by jury, it has not been transferred to Crown because the Magistrates think a year in prison is not a long enough sentence.
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one of the media reports said she'd elected to go to Crown Court so she could be heard by a jury. But last time I gave an instance of this I was told off. So that's why I didn't bother this time.

 

[I'm Dun]

one of the media reports said she'd elected to go to Crown Court so she could be heard by a jury. But last time I gave an instance of this I was told off. So that's why I didn't bother this time.

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You werent told off. But people do correct you when you are wrong. Most of the issues you have seem to stem from stating things as absolute truth when you either have limited experience or have done a google search. Then you respond in a very undignified manner which winds other people up.

If you just stuck to giving your opinion as just an opinion then you wouldnt get in half the spats you do now.

 

[Birker2020]

You werent told off. But people do correct you when you are wrong. Most of the issues you have seem to stem from stating things as absolute truth when you either have limited experience or have done a google search. Then you respond in a very undignified manner which winds other people up.

If you just stuck to giving your opinion as just an opinion then you wouldnt get in half the spats you do now.

Yes I was told that I'd just got one media article so then quoted the same sentence off about six media stations and got told I'd got too much time on my hands! I can't do right from wrong.

I have never been rude and 'responded in an undignified manner', gosh what a ridiculous thing to say! If you are going to start accusing me of stuff like this then I'd like to see proof please. THanks.

 

[limestonelil]

Slightly swerving post but relevant. I recently realised that a colleague always goes for the first thing that comes up on Google and doesn't think any further /beyond it /question accuracy /context. Can make some conversations quite interesting or baffling or both.
I think teacher gave a poor display of bad temper, but hasn't deserved the life changing consequences she is to endure. I stopped donating to RSPCA when a previous CEO encouraged prosecutions like this, cost a fortune, he got paid oodles, and yet tragedies like the Arab horse scandal were badly handled , made worse by RSPCA attitude.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

I have never been rude and 'responded in an undignified manner', gosh what a ridiculous thing to say! If you are going to start accusing me of stuff like this then I'd like to see proof please. THanks.

The above is your opinion.

My opinion is that I completely disagree, particularly having been on the end of one or more of your very caustic diatribes.
Oh, and dont demand proof, I've still got the screenshots from last summer, before said posts were edited and/or removed.....the internet is not the place to be unpleasant and then try to take the moral upper hand....

 

[Birker2020]

It will be interesting to see what transpires when it eventually comes to Court. Hopefully we will get a better picture of what has gone on.

 

[paddy555]

what will happen if she is found not guilty in crown court? If she was sacked (and we don't know if she was) could she be reinstated if she wished?

 

[minesadouble]

With regard to electing to go to Crown it is a fundamental right in our legal system to have the right to be tried by one's peers. I can 100% understand why she would choose to do this in her situation. There is a fair chance that member(s) of the jury may have had a negative experience with the RSPCA which will start her off on a good footing. Juries can also come up with perverse decisions in a way magistrates cannot - see the trial of the protestors hauling down a statue for reference.

With regard to her job, if found NG then she could take her employer to a tribunal, though I doubt she would want her old job back she could be awarded damages.

Good Luck to her I say!

Edited to add I say Good Luck to her as I think this prosecution is utterly frivolous! And not because I sanction kicking a pony!