To Stallion or not to Stallion...

I’m another that has followed this thread but not contributed. I know nothing about stallions, haute ecole (bumbling about at novice here!), or the horse/trainer in question - so nothing constructive to contribute.

But I would absolutely love to know how this pans out HedgePig - it’s an opportunity most people wouldn’t have in their wildest dreams, and it would be great if you’d keep us posted.
 
planete said:
South West Iberian show. Baroque horses.
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But that is not Hartpury National championship it is Grange Farm. Baroque horses do not seem to have a "breed show". It now appears Zen is/was owned by Lisa Ginsberg but the trainer Nejc Turinek/ Turninek might/might not be the owner. All very very convoluted and confusing have absolutely no idea what to believe any more in this thread. :(
 
splashgirl45 said:
am i thick, i dont see what this has to do with HP s horse....this stallion is 3 and a half, i thought the other one was 10 or am i imagining that?
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That was from 2015 so it is 7/8 now.
The claim he is a national psg champion on the yard website is an interesting one, that is clearly untrue.

I was one of the sceptics from the start and still have doubts as to why this horse would be offered to a rider with limited experience of classical riding when the current rider is developing him, using him for demos and as a shop window, I guess it must be more financially viable than keeping him so makes complete sense from that point of view, as it has no BD record there would probably be no real interest as a competition horse and that would be reflected in his value.
 
quite, it's the daily mail, I was giving them a few years leeway at least!

and OP said 'He is 'around' 10 years old. '

The old BAPSH nationals results aren't available, I do understand why the would assume the website would mean BD but it doesn't say that. It doesn't spell Hartpury right either though :D
 
be positive said:
That was from 2015 so it is 7/8 now.
The claim he is a national psg champion on the yard website is an interesting one, that is clearly untrue.

I was one of the sceptics from the start and still have doubts as to why this horse would be offered to a rider with limited experience of classical riding when the current rider is developing him, using him for demos and as a shop window, I guess it must be more financially viable than keeping him so makes complete sense from that point of view, as it has no BD record there would probably be no real interest as a competition horse and that would be reflected in his value.
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BP I met a few Iberian afficionados while a friend was looking for one a few years back and for the most part they were entirely dismissive of BD and would not be looking for a BD record to add value to a horse.

Hartpury runs the PRE National shows using non-BD high level tests and I see no reason to doubt that the trainer has at some point won there on a PRE in a PSG level test that isn't called PSG in PRE circles. It may have been roughly translated for the purposes of that bit of PR, which is designed to attract riders who will more likely want to compete BD, perhaps.

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I appreciate they may not be interested in BD but the horse that was champion this year at the S/w Iberian show does do BD at PSG level, very successfully, as does a PRE owned by a former member on here so it can be done if they want to train riders that are not exclusively riding Iberians but having now seen a video of the horse in question I can see it would struggle to perform a test based on the scales of training, which is what the BD tests are.
 
Don't have a dog in this fight and it has zero impact on me if the OP is telling the truth or not but is it really necessary to start slagging off a horse that belongs to and was trained by someone who is not on this forum?

The OP question was about stallion keeping in the UK and the handling of stallions. Nothing more and nothing less.

Now it's descended into criticising a stranger's horse and its competition record and perceived training and riding.

If you've nothing better going on in your lives than to take the time to set about the OP rather than just scrolling on by that's not my circus but it's really not necessary to start on a horse that belongs to someone else?

Nothing on the internet dies and trash talk about a horse will be there for someone to find at any point in the present or future. What if it is decided to stand this horse at stud and a thread full of people who don't train or ride to that level are criticising the ability of the horse.
 
Personally when I came across the videos it was not to rip into the OP, it was mostly more reassuring that the horse did not look so insanely sensitive as to be completely unsuitable for a rusty rider, which is sort of how it came across in the early posts from the OP.

eta I agree it's not our place to criticise and people decide not to compete their horses for all manner of reasons. I think others were more surprised that there doesn't seem to be an affiliated record when the horse is described as a champion, more from curiosity than anything else. I hope the OP comes back but I would think it unlikely now.
 
milliepops said:
Personally when I came across the videos it was not to rip into the OP, it was mostly more reassuring that the horse did not look so insanely sensitive as to be completely unsuitable for a rusty rider, which is sort of how it came across in the early posts from the OP.
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Could you share please.
 
milliepops said:
Personally when I came across the videos it was not to rip into the OP, it was mostly more reassuring that the horse did not look so insanely sensitive as to be completely unsuitable for a rusty rider, which is sort of how it came across in the early posts from the OP.

eta I agree it's not our place to criticise and people decide not to compete their horses for all manner of reasons. I think others were more surprised that there doesn't seem to be an affiliated record when the horse is described as a champion, more from curiosity than anything else. I hope the OP comes back but I would think it unlikely now.
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I'm not the forum police and people can post whatever they want. However some of what is posted on here, not just this thread, is out of order, unkind and unnecessary at times.

Someone owns this horse, at least one person has put time and effort into producing and competing him. I just dont agree that it is right for someone to start criticising all of that when a critique wasnt asked for and no one knows the horse let alone had sat on it.

FWIW I didnt see any post from MP critising the horse or the rider in any video(s)
 
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