Water deprivation as a training tool

[dafthoss]

Can we put PP in one of these pens and made him beg for water?

He really doesnt do him self any favours.

 

[Marydoll]

Is the trainer in question definitely him ?
If so, id love a wee outing to pratts ranch to chase him and slap him about the head with my tumshie stick, then mabe tie his leg up and sit him in the sun for a few hours with no water, whoever it is, this is cruelty beyond belief, his horses must hate him

 

[Capriole]

No idea if its him in the OP, Marydoll.
But the transcript seems to be, certainly. The more I hear of this PP BS the more it comes across as pure bullying to me. Not anything Id subject one of mine to.

 

[nixxyz]

Can we put PP in one of these pens and made him beg for water?

He really doesnt do him self any favours.

This ^, i would love to see, make him feel the pain that he's inflicting on his poor horses. He really is one of the biggest muppets ive ever seen working with horses.

 

[Amaranta]

Can we put PP in one of these pens and made him beg for water?

He really doesnt do him self any favours.

Only if I am allowed to chase him around with a ***** carrot stick

 

[Wagtail]

Is the trainer in question definitely him ?
If so, id love a wee outing to pratts ranch to chase him and slap him about the head with my tumshie stick, then mabe tie his leg up and sit him in the sun for a few hours with no water, whoever it is, this is cruelty beyond belief, his horses must hate him

He has a ranch in Colorado, and has allied himself with the humane society, has a massive propaganda machine...

 

[Grayson]

My source confirms that it was the Parelli Ranch at Pagosa Springs in Colorado, adding:

This has been happening a long time.....when he moved to Colorado we saw it first hand as we went to "check out" his facility after hearing that things were not as they seemed. He is a control freak and the wellbeing of the horses is low on the list of priorities in his "money machine." His ego and money are at the top of his priority list.​

This information can be revealed because the Colorado Equine Investigation Unit has documented details of the events mentioned. The other statements about control and ego are subjective, but nevertheless could be considered valid in a libel suit: it is the facts that must be proved to be false, for libel to occur. In Colorado, web libel is posting false information about someone that defames them. This report confirms what is already published and taught, calling PP a control–freak or money-grabber does not defame him, it is a reasonable conclusion to draw from his behaviour, already on animal welfare record.

 

[dafthoss]

Only if I am allowed to chase him around with a ***** carrot stick

Ok I'll use my signature beating tool of a fence post, you can have the stick thing and who wants a metal clip to hit him round the face with?

 

[nixxyz]

Ok I'll use my signature beating tool of a fence post, you can have the stick thing and who wants a metal clip to hit him round the face with?

OOh me lol!!! Al give him a good wallop on the chin with it, see how he likes it

 

[Marydoll]

My source confirms that it was the Parelli Ranch at Pagosa Springs in Colorado, adding:

This has been happening a long time.....when he moved to Colorado we saw it first hand as we went to "check out" his facility after hearing that things were not as they seemed. He is a control freak and the wellbeing of the horses is low on the list of priorities in his "money machine." His ego and money are at the top of his priority list.​

This information can be revealed because the Colorado Equine Investigation Unit has documented details of the events mentioned. The other statements about control and ego are subjective, but nevertheless could be considered valid in a libel suit: it is the facts that must be proved to be false, for libel to occur. In Colorado, web libel is posting false information about someone that defames them. This report confirms what is already published and taught, calling PP a control–freak or money-grabber does not defame him, it is a reasonable conclusion to draw from his behaviour, already on animal welfare record.

Thanks for clarifying, tbh i dont really care who it is, but was curious as the thread was eluding to it , imo it is the most disgusting cruel thing to do to any animal to deprive it of water, again i really hope karma kicks in big style to whoever " trains" and i use the term loosely in this cruel manner

 

[Patterdale]

I'd love to withhold Pat Parellis water until he made sucking noises through the fence, then use my carrot stick on him and clunk him with the leadrope.

I wonder how good our relationship would be...?

What a prize pr***.

 

[Brigadoon]

Just horrific. My horses are milling back and forward from the troughs today in this sweltering heat. It's too horrible to think you would use water like that. Barbaric.

 

[Amaranta]

Ok I'll use my signature beating tool of a fence post, you can have the stick thing and who wants a metal clip to hit him round the face with?

Can I also put a lip strap on him and then hobble him?

 

[sykokat]

OFFS!!!! Why would anyone do that??? Unless of course,,,,,,,,,, they are a bullying, dominating d**k head? Oh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yeah! Of course! This person is.!!!!!

 

[Charem]

Afraid I also know of someone high up in the showing world that turns the automatic waterers off the night before a show. Then again same person was reccomended by another well known show producer to give their horse a large syringe of vodka to keep him calm...

 

[joeanne]

Perhaps giving PP TOO much water would be preferable.....like with me stood on his head.

This lunchtime Oliver was literally wallowing in the pond, and grazing off the banks!

 

[Equilibrium Ireland]

Here's what infuriates me the most about this method PP practices/talks about. A moron that buys the DVD and thinks it's perfectly acceptable. And now it has me wondering about that whole "road to the horse" stupidity too. Are these young unbroken colts being deprived behind the scenes?

I have to be honest, I'm gobsmacked and angry. I really thought this to be somewhat "over done" when the post first started. I don't do Parelli nor do I follow too much of what he does. This actually infuriates me. His other facility is in Florida. That's just a horrible hot humid place. How can one use that as acceptable training methods? We only pulled water from horses racing an hour before and on hot days, never.

So really all in all I am a better horseman than any of these asshats. Or I'm a numpty for not getting my job done quicker by withholding food and water. Can you imagine some idiot that wants to have that magical bond with their horse so they decide the way to do that is without water?

I'm sorry, this has turned into a rant. But I really am disgusted.

Terri

 

[sakaspuds]

Then clunks him on the nose with a lead rien clip.

gives him a carrot stick to chew on

 

[ozpoz]

I'd love to withhold Pat Parellis water until he made sucking noises through the fence, then use my carrot stick on him and clunk him with the leadrope.

I wonder how good our relationship would be...?

What a prize pr***.

Me too! That transcript is vile.

 

[HollyWoozle]

Argh! What is wrong with the man?!

 

[JingleTingle]

Grayson that extract from the 2006 DVD worries me hugely - I am fairly ambivalent about NH methods whoever it is spouting off, but a lot of it merely packages age old wisdom about training and handling horses.

Having said that I do believe in each to their own - if this expensive package helps some novice and new owners then fair enough....I thought. But having read that extract I now feel very, very uneasy about the whole PP and other NH machines. How is it that all these devotees have never questioned that little gem of advice and this is the first we, outside the 'cult' are only now hearing about this barbaric training method....six years down the line?

Do they really feel this is Ok because the master has spoken? Does common sense not lead them to question this dubious doctrine? Have they so very little knowledge of basic care of their horses that they are not even aware how damaging this could be?

Very scary - I wonder how many poor horses and ponies are suffering world wide because of this couple and similar con artists of their ilk in the horse world?

 

[darkhorse123]

read all of this and am absoluteley disgusted! I have this man on fb - I am going to ask him why he does it!
Its basically torture!
Suppose i will get blocked but if we all did it?

 

[Hedgewitch13]

You have him on FB? I'd remove him if I were you! Well after you have asked him about the water issue. I bet you get jumped on by his dumb followers though. Good luck!

 

[JingleTingle]

read all of this and am absoluteley disgusted! I have this man on fb - I am going to ask him why he does it!
Its basically torture!
Suppose i will get blocked but if we all did it?

Feel free to pm me the link to the FB page...if you do get jumped on I will be happy to step in and take over if you get blocked! They are a disgrace!

 

[JingleTingle]

In fact, perhaps a nice neat little line standing by to step in as each soldier falls might be a smart way of making outside opinion heard?

 

[Hedgewitch13]

Like!

 

[Patterdale]

I think complaints to YourHorse and Horse and Country etc would be useful. This is how he earns a lot of his cash. Hit him where it hurts.

Urgh I could literally spit on the man.

 

[amandap]

I think complaints to YourHorse and Horse and Country etc would be useful. This is how he earns a lot of his cash. Hit him where it hurts.

I agree. I think Grayson has done a great job in complaining to them. Let's hope they see how this advice isn't appropriate in a country where witholding basic needs is illegal. The five freedoms are very clear and now in law here.

 

[Tinypony]

Having said that I do believe in each to their own - if this expensive package helps some novice and new owners then fair enough....I thought. But having read that extract I now feel very, very uneasy about the whole PP and other NH machines. How is it that all these devotees have never questioned that little gem of advice and this is the first we, outside the 'cult' are only now hearing about this barbaric training method....six years down the line?

Aaargh! I've never met anyone from another "NH machine" who would advocate this!! In fact, it's a bit mean to label them all "NH machines" because some are very far from that, and their bank balances are lighter as a result.

I was a Parelli student in oh, probably Victorian times, never heard this witholding water thing until more recently. If I'd been told to do that I've have told them to go spin.

 

[Tinypony]

Do u think Linda withholds Pats water to make him more obedient?

'No Pat, I am your leader...'

I would be whiskey by the way, not water.