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Hi ROG!

I've sold my lorry and am replacing with a trailer/car combo. Will be doing my B+E.

I need the car to be my daily runaround also. So not too thirsty. Also have a budget of 5k. I'm thinking Freelander td4, but some people seem to think they are terrible.

Would be towing an ifor 506, with one 14.2 pony.

Any thoughts? Or alternative cars?

Thanks!

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG!

I've sold my lorry and am replacing with a trailer/car combo. Will be doing my B+E.

I need the car to be my daily runaround also. So not too thirsty. Also have a budget of 5k. I'm thinking Freelander td4, but some people seem to think they are terrible.

Would be towing an ifor 506, with one 14.2 pony.

Any thoughts? Or alternative cars?

Thanks!

I have no knowledge of vehicles which are good or bad - I deal more in legalities

The last link in my signature below may help a little

 

[billylula]

Hi Rog - can you tell me if it is possible to tow a pony (approx 400kg) in a single pony trailer ( Unladen weight is approx 750 kg) with a Fiat Multipla (Sept 2003)??

I dont have my B and E licence.

We already have a Jeep Grand Cherokee which tows our 510 very well but we are about to get another pony (3 altogether) and having no luck finding a triple trailer. So I was thinking if I could tow with my multipla we could do it that way. Husband refusign to get a lorry as we have no room to park it!!

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog - can you tell me if it is possible to tow a pony (approx 400kg) in a single pony trailer ( Unladen weight is approx 750 kg) with a Fiat Multipla (Sept 2003)??

I dont have my B and E licence.

We already have a Jeep Grand Cherokee which tows our 510 very well but we are about to get another pony (3 altogether) and having no luck finding a triple trailer. So I was thinking if I could tow with my multipla we could do it that way. Husband refusign to get a lorry as we have no room to park it!!

This multipla? = http://www.carhouse2000.co.uk/used-cars/fiat-multipla-jtd-115-sx-5dr-willenhall-201409197539785
GVW 2050
Towing capacity 1300

Assuming its a HB401/403 ???? then
empty 780
Original MAM 1600
Would need down plating via call to IW to say 1400 = cost about £50

If it was down plated to 1400 then the 1300 towing limit still applies so 1300 minus 780 = 520 kg that can be loaded into the trailer
520 is well enough for a 400 pony

 

[billylula]

Thank you ROG that is great.

 

[billylula]

If I don't downplate it, will I be driving illegally?

 

[billylula]

AND (sorry) could I pull it without a B and E licence?

 

[ROG]

If I don't downplate it, will I be driving illegally?

YES

AND (sorry) could I pull it without a B and E licence?

Under Learner rules = yes

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

 

[billylula]

What do I need to pass to drive a 7.5 tonne horsebox?

 

[ROG]

What do I need to pass to drive a 7.5 tonne horsebox?

LGV C1 see LGV CLINIC link in my signature below

 

[Orchardbeck]

Has anyone towed with a Saab 9-3 (2l engine, automatic petrol) and an ifor Williams 506 (or 403) with just one pony, (400kg max) Is it even possible? And if so, possible on a B licence?

 

[ROG]

Has anyone towed with a Saab 9-3 (2l engine, automatic petrol) and an ifor Williams 506 (or 403) with just one pony, (400kg max) Is it even possible? And if so, possible on a B licence?

There are so many models for the SAAB so please can you identify your model from this link = http://www.usedcarexpert.co.uk/cars/saab/9-3/specs-stats/dimensions/ = I can then help you

I will do a B licence example assuming its one of the models with these specs .....
GVW 2030
Towing capacity 1400

Using a 403 down plated from 1600 to 1400 by contacting IW would leave just over 600 kg for the trailer load/horse

 

[Orchardbeck]

Thanks ROG, it is actually a 2004 1.9 (not 2l) TID vector sport model 2004 - same as the 2006 one second from the bottom in your link.

I already have a HB 506, is it generally not possible to get them within the weight limit for b licence towing once down plated?

 

[ROG]

Thanks ROG, it is actually a 2004 1.9 (not 2l) TID vector sport model 2004 - same as the 2006 one second from the bottom in your link.

I already have a HB 506, is it generally not possible to get them within the weight limit for b licence towing once down plated?

I think you mean this model -
Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD 180 2dr 1.9
Gross Weight = 2120 Kg
Towing Limit = 1600 Kg

The HB506 is -
Empty 920
MAM 2600

Horse 400

If you could get IW to down plate the trailer to 1380 then that would leave 460 for the horse plus anything else you put in the trailer with it (1380-920=460) and would conform to the B licence towing law of 3500 (2120+1380=3500)

 

[Orchardbeck]

Thanks ROG, very interesting. So it would be worthwhile looking out for a single 403 - it would be tight even with the 506 downplated.

Apologies for taking your time - I don't suppose you would be able to tell me the weight allowance of this vehicle - we are looking in to changing to an estate vehicle

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...m/14000/price-to/25000/page/1/usedcars?tech=1

 

[ROG]

Thanks ROG, very interesting. So it would be worthwhile looking out for a single 403 - it would be tight even with the 506 downplated.

Apologies for taking your time - I don't suppose you would be able to tell me the weight allowance of this vehicle - we are looking in to changing to an estate vehicle

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...m/14000/price-to/25000/page/1/usedcars?tech=1

A HB403 or 401 would be better

I assume its the top one in this list = http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/audi/a4-allroad/gross-vehicle-weight/
GVW 2200
Towing capacity 1970

If it is that model then the max trailer plated MAM weight would be 1300 for B towing

The HB403 is max 800 empty so that would leave at least 500 for the trailer load

 

[rubydog]

Hi rog,
Hope your well

Just purchased a 403 ifor Williams trailer, intending on towing it with a jeep compass 2.2 on a b licence.

Car has gvw of 2075, kerb weight of 1605 and capacity to tow max of 2000.

Horse is 500kg

From my calculations I have worked out I will need to get the trailer down plated to 1400kg how easy is to do this and can you take it to local dealership or does it have to go to the manufacturer?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi rog,
Hope your well

Just purchased a 403 ifor Williams trailer, intending on towing it with a jeep compass 2.2 on a b licence.

Car has gvw of 2075, kerb weight of 1605 and capacity to tow max of 2000.

Horse is 500kg

From my calculations I have worked out I will need to get the trailer down plated to 1400kg how easy is to do this and can you take it to local dealership or does it have to go to the manufacturer?

Thanks

Your figures are spot on

To get the 403 down plated from 1600 to 1400 you need to contact IW on 01490 412626 who now charge about £50

 

[ROG]

To get the 403 down plated from 1600 to 1400 you need to contact IW on 01490 412626 who now charge about £50

IW will sort this out for you and it usually means you go to one of their local dealers to have the plate physically changed but if they will send you the new plate by post then there is nothing to stop a competent person from changing the plate themselves

Bateson trailers only charge a £10 for doing the plate change yourself - same thing is done - you contact them then they update records and send trailer owner the new plate

 

[rubydog]

Fab thanks Rog - I rang them today but they where shut so I will have to wait until Monday.

 

[sessierose]

Hi, I've had a look through a few pages but can't find the combo I'm looking for. I'm trying to find out if a short wheel base (04 plate) Defender 90 + an Ifor Williams single horse trailer down plated to 1400 would be legal to tow on a B license? I'm looking to buy one that's up for sale so any help ASAP would be greatly appreciated!

 

[ROG]

Hi, I've had a look through a few pages but can't find the combo I'm looking for. I'm trying to find out if a short wheel base (04 plate) Defender 90 + an Ifor Williams single horse trailer down plated to 1400 would be legal to tow on a B license? I'm looking to buy one that's up for sale so any help ASAP would be greatly appreciated!

From the research I just did it seems that the GVW is 2400 so only a trailer plated at 1100 will be possible

In case I have got hold of the wrong GVW please find the weight plate in the defender which is usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame and post the top figure of the four listed

The V5 registered keepers doc will usually have the GVW listed as max permissable gross weight

 

[sessierose]

Thanks for your help, I thought that might be the case. I'll try and have a look at the vehicle and see.

 

[ROG]

So I've just checked out the gov.uk website and read the following... "If you passed your test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B car licence you can: tow a trailer over 750 mam as long as the combined weight of the trailer and towing vehicle is no more than 3,500 kg".

My trailer is 900, my car is 1500 and my horse is 500... = 2,900 kg. so am I legal to tow?!

I always thought as I hadn't passed my test before 1997 I couldn't but it looks like an updated law in jan 2013 may have over rules this? Just want to check before I do though and even then I probably won't tow as I'm too scared!

Thank you ☺️

That Gov statement has yet again missed out the word - MAM

It has always been that since 01/01/1997 that the B towing law is that the plated GVW (MAM) of the vehicle added to the plated MAM of the trailer cannot total more than 3500 kg

All the 19/01/2013 EU directive did was to get rid of the bit which said that the plated MAM of the trailer cannot be more than the empty weight of the towing vehicle and that was a retrospective rule


NEVER use actual weight for the 3500 rule because licencing laws go on plated weights

 

[ROG]

This DVLA PDF might be useful for the explanation of driving licences etc especially the bottom of page 7 as well as pages 8, 9 & 10
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208103/ins57p.pdf

 

[rubydog]

Hi,

Just an update for others that are wanting an iforwilliams trailer down plating - they charge £48 for a new plate and it takes a week. They post the new plate out to you - Now I have to work out how to get the old one off and the new one on as I think it has been put on by a rivet gun and not screws!!

 

[ROG]

Hi,

Just an update for others that are wanting an iforwilliams trailer down plating - they charge £48 for a new plate and it takes a week. They post the new plate out to you - Now I have to work out how to get the old one off and the new one on as I think it has been put on by a rivet gun and not screws!!

Bateson = same system but only cost £10

 

[Clannad48]

ROG I am in a total quandry - I have currently a Jeep Cherokee 2.8 CRD which is a total towing machine with a towing capacity of 3300kg However, following the recent issues surrounding a recall notice that has been issued by VOSA which currently will prevent using the car for towing I am looking at cutting my losses and considering a Kia Sorrento - now I have looked at the towing capabilities and would like your opinion as to whether it is suitable. I have an Ifor Williams 505 and a 17hh DWB who weighs about 650kg. I have a pre 1975 license.

 

[ROG]

ROG I am in a total quandry - I have currently a Jeep Cherokee 2.8 CRD which is a total towing machine with a towing capacity of 3300kg However, following the recent issues surrounding a recall notice that has been issued by VOSA which currently will prevent using the car for towing I am looking at cutting my losses and considering a Kia Sorrento - now I have looked at the towing capabilities and would like your opinion as to whether it is suitable. I have an Ifor Williams 505 and a 17hh DWB who weighs about 650kg. I have a pre 1975 license.

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/kia/sorento/towing-weight-limit/

B+E licence so thats ok

I think the 505 is max 1000 empty so looking at total weight of under 2000 which means any of the models in that link should be able to cope easily

 

[Clannad48]

Thanks ROG, I thought it would be ok but wanted to check. I'm really disappointed with Jeep UK at the moment - I could end up with a towing machine that I can't use for towing!!