Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

[ROG]

Thanks v much, cat can tow 1800kg. So just need to check tyres on trailer.
Do you have any experience with towing with a Mondeo type car? Do they manage ok? The actual weight it would be towing is about 1300kg.

Great - towing capacity is fine

Never towed with such a car so no help there but plenty on here do

I am trying to find out if a home made trailer which has a trye load rating of say 1600 can be plated because if it can then that might solve the MAM issue as it could be plated to what you want BUT no luck so far .....

 

[.Redmerl]

Thanks, unless I see if I can have the tyres changed to total 1450kg, if it's safe to do so as it will only actually be about 1300kg??????

 

[ROG]

Thanks, unless I see if I can have the tyres changed to total 1450kg, if it's safe to do so as it will only actually be about 1300kg??????

What are the current tyre load ratings?

 

[ROG]

Towing a Box Van Trailer behind horsebox

Towing with vehicles over 3.5 tonnes come under different rules and are quite simple -

For towing any trailer over 750 kgs the driver must have a +E on the licence for the category being used to tow with

Towing a trailer over 750 kgs with a C1 vehicle requires the driver to have a C1+E on their licence

The total max weight when towing with a fully loaded 7.5 tonner on a C1 licence can be 8.25 tonnes (7500+750)

Some small trailers bounce around when being towed by a truck and as the driver is usually unable to see what is happening then it is a good idea to have a follow-car see what is happening on a test drive with the trailer.

 

[Princess P]

Which cars can tow 3.5 t?

Sorry if this has been done already, but does anyone have a list of cars that can safely / legally tow 3500kg?

In my dreams my next trailer will be a equitrek multi trekka with a max capacity of 3500kg which my mitsubishi shogun sport will not be able to tow :-(

Thank you for any replies
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[ROG]

Which cars can tow 3.5 t?

Sorry if this has been done already, but does anyone have a list of cars that can safely / legally tow 3500kg?

In my dreams my next trailer will be a equitrek multi trekka with a max capacity of 3500kg which my mitsubishi shogun sport will not be able to tow :-(

Thank you for any replies
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http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/towing_vehicles.htm

All vehicles capable of towing 3500 kg - then click search

 

[ROG]

Depends which shogun you have
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/shogun/
Increased towing capacity
SWB 3,000 kg
LWB 3,500 kg

 

[kiagirl]

Thank you ROG - that is the trailer. I will keep my eye out for a lightweight.

 

[Overgrown Pony]

Hey ROG

I have a brand new Vauxhall Insignia 2ltr TD 160bhp

Towing capacity (braked) 1800kg
Kerb weight 1570kg
Gross vehicle weight/MAM 2145kg
GTW 3810kg

Trying to figure out what trailer I can use to pull 1 x 16.2hh horse around 600kg on a B license.

Any idea on my best way to figure it out, bearing in mind I can get a trailer down plated to stay under the 3500kg threshold.

I know I can pull a Cheval Liberte single but getting a hold of a 2nd hand one is nigh on impossible unless I want to travel to the bottom of England for it (i'm up in Aberdeen). Only seems to Ifors 2nd hand up here. They must be all the rage

Thanks in advance for your help. This towing business is a minefield

 

[ROG]

I have a brand new Vauxhall Insignia 2ltr TD 160bhp

Towing capacity (braked) 1800kg
Kerb weight 1570kg
Gross vehicle weight/MAM 2145kg
GTW 3810kg

Trying to figure out what trailer I can use to pull 1 x 16.2hh horse around 600kg on a B license.

Any idea on my best way to figure it out, bearing in mind I can get a trailer down plated to stay under the 3500kg threshold.

You will need to search for a trailer which has a max unladen weight of 700 kgs
Most of those will have a MAM over 1500 kgs so you will need to get the trailer manufacturer to downplate it to 1350
That will leave a loading capacity of 650 - your horse is 600 - not a lot to spare!!

 

[Overgrown Pony]

Thanks so much for your response. I've noted that down. So complicated getting it right/legal so really appreciate your help

 

[Horses24-7]

B but have a passenger with b+e so drive with L plates until I take test
Vehicle weight- 2000kg
Max vehicle can tow- 1800kg
MAM of trailer 1600kg
Empty trailer 732kg

Horse weighs 570kg so could I down plate to tow without b+e on my own?

 

[ROG]

B but have a passenger with b+e so drive with L plates until I take test
Vehicle weight- 2000kg
Max vehicle can tow- 1800kg
MAM of trailer 1600kg
Empty trailer 732kg

Horse weighs 570kg so could I down plate to tow without b+e on my own?

If passenger is over age 21, has held B+E for at least 3 years, Insurance covers a learner and L plates are fitted then OK

The one weight that is missing is the vehicle unladen weight but I can say this -
IF .... the vehicle unladen weight is 1500 and you downplate the trailer to 1500 which leaves a loading capacity of 768 then you will be legal for towing on a B licence
Reasons -
2000 GVW+1500 MAM=3500 right on the legal limit
1500 MAM would not be more than the 1500 unladen weight of the vehicle so thats OK
The towing capacity of 1800 has not been exceeded so thats OK

A few on here are asking about this sort of set up for B licence towing so can you tell us what vehicle and trailer you have please

EDIT & ADD
I guess your trailer is one of these - http://www.tallyhotrailers.co.uk/chavelliberte100.html ?

 

[Princess P]

Depends which shogun you have
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/shogun/
Increased towing capacity
SWB 3,000 kg
LWB 3,500 kg

Thanks Rog, that towing horse trailers website link was really helpful.

My shogun sport is 54 reg 2.5 TD, I'm pretty sure the book says 2.8 t towing capacity.

Looking at the list on your link I think I'll go for a disco next

Thanks for your help

 

[ROG]

My shogun sport is 54 reg 2.5 TD, I'm pretty sure the book says 2.8 t towing capacity.

I think so too -
http://www.ukmotorists.com/car_data.asp?make=Mitsubishi&model=Pajero 2.5 TD Sport

 

[Horses24-7]

If passenger is over age 21, has held B+E for at least 3 years, Insurance covers a learner and L plates are fitted then OK

The one weight that is missing is the vehicle unladen weight but I can say this -
IF .... the vehicle unladen weight is 1500 and you downplate the trailer to 1500 which leaves a loading capacity of 768 then you will be legal for towing on a B licence
Reasons -
2000 GVW+1500 MAM=3500 right on the legal limit
1500 MAM would not be more than the 1500 unladen weight of the vehicle so thats OK
The towing capacity of 1800 has not been exceeded so thats OK

A few on here are asking about this sort of set up for B licence towing so can you tell us what vehicle and trailer you have please

EDIT & ADD
I guess your trailer is one of these - http://www.tallyhotrailers.co.uk/chavelliberte100.html ?

Good guess! With a passat 2lt tdi sport. Cars unladen in 1648 kg so would that still work if I can down plate?

I'm going to take it all to the weigh bridge to double check before I downplate etc but wanted to get an idea

 

[ROG]

Good guess! With a passat 2lt tdi sport. Cars unladen in 1648 kg so would that still work if I can down plate?

I'm going to take it all to the weigh bridge to double check before I downplate etc but wanted to get an idea

passat 2lt tdi sport
unladen = 1648kg
GVW = 2000kg
Max vehicle towing capacity = 1800kg

Chival 1003 xxl pullman trailer
MAM of trailer 1600kg
Empty trailer 732kg

Horse weighs 570kg so could I down plate to tow without b+e on my own?

Downplate to 1500 and you will be legal for B licence towing

 

[Overgrown Pony]

Hey ROG

Considering sitting my towing test so please advise what weight of trailer I could get on a B+E licence.

I have a brand new Vauxhall Insignia 2ltr TD 160bhp

Towing capacity (braked) 1800kg
Kerb weight 1570kg
Gross vehicle weight/MAM 2145kg
GTW 3810kg

Would be used to pull 1 x 16.2hh horse around 600kg.

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[ROG]

Hey ROG

Considering sitting my towing test so please advise what weight of trailer I could get on a B+E licence.

I have a brand new Vauxhall Insignia 2ltr TD 160bhp

Towing capacity (braked) 1800kg
Kerb weight 1570kg
Gross vehicle weight/MAM 2145kg
GTW 3810kg

Would be used to pull 1 x 16.2hh horse around 600kg.

Thanks in advance for your help.

On a B+E licence you could get any trailer up to 3500 MAM as most are under 1000 unladen weight
Most trailers are around 800 unladen leaving you a load capacity of about 1000 on an 1800 towing capacity

The towing capacity does not limit the MAM of the trailer if that is what you were thinking

For a B licence a TRAILER of 1350 MAM (downplated from 1400 by manufacturer) and an unladen weight of 655 would suffice for a 600 horse

 

[ROG]

I have a brand new Vauxhall Insignia 2ltr TD 160bhp

Towing capacity (braked) 1800kg
Kerb weight 1570kg
Gross vehicle weight/MAM 2145kg
GTW 3810kg

Towing capacity 1800 + 2145 GVW = 3945
GTW = 3810
The GTW must not be exceeded so it is illegal to load the car to 2145 and the trailer to 1800 at the same time

There are many cases like this so drivers need to know that none of the weights can legally be exceeded

 

[Scottish_Miss]

Question as other half suggesting I look for a Subaru Forester but I'm not sure it will be OK to tow with one.

I have a pre 97 licence.

horse = 590Kg
Trailer will be Ifor 510

So if car is Forester and most are 2.0l petrols with max braking towing weight of 1500 im over limit yes>????

Im more thinking a Sorento, X Trail, Santa Fe or or terrano!!!

any one help???

 

[noodle_]

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Question. I passed in 2005, to tow *legally* !!.... can i??

without taking another test...?

if so, how much?? horse is approx 550.

thanks in advance

 

[ROG]

Question as other half suggesting I look for a Subaru Forester but I'm not sure it will be OK to tow with one.

I have a pre 97 licence.

horse = 590Kg
Trailer will be Ifor 510

So if car is Forester and most are 2.0l petrols with max braking towing weight of 1500 im over limit yes>????

Im more thinking a Sorento, X Trail, Santa Fe or or terrano!!!

any one help???

No good
http://www.horsetrailersales.co.uk/NewIforHB510.htm
510 has an unladen weight of 1000
so 1000+590=1590 which is more than the 1500 towing capacity

 

[ROG]

Question. I passed in 2005, to tow *legally* !!.... can i??

without taking another test...?

if so, how much?? horse is approx 550.

thanks in advance

Yes you can tow but under B licence towing rules

What vehicle do you have?
What are the specs
Unladen weight =
GVW =
Towing capacity =

with that info I can suggest what trailer you should look for so it complies with the rules for a B licence

 

[noodle_]

Yes you can tow but under B licence towing rules

What vehicle do you have?
What are the specs
Unladen weight =
GVW =
Towing capacity =

with that info I can suggest what trailer you should look for so it complies with the rules for a B licence

id be totally illegal and dangerous with what i have now

honda civic !


just wondering what type of estate??? or 4x4 i could legally tow with!


as i honestly thought i needed to do my trailer test to tow ANYTHING

 

[ROG]

just wondering what type of estate??? or 4x4 i could legally tow with!


as i honestly thought i needed to do my trailer test to tow ANYTHING

Here is an example of towing legally on a B licence -
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=10351574&postcount=197
There are many more examples if you search through this 20 page thread

 

[ROG]

For those wondering how to downplate a trailer so it conforms to B licence towing then click this link - DOWNPLATING A TRAILER

 

[noodle_]

thank you ROG - very helpful

Ideally id love to tow with a good estate as my tax/insurance is cheaper - id only ever be towing one horse so i will look into it

 

[bonbeau]

Hello, can you help me please, I'm ending up getting a bit confused whether or not I need to do a test!! I'm also struggling to find all the weights and if I have the right ones...I don't know why I'm getting so confused with this but hopefully you can help!
Thanks

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1457
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle -
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres = 2584
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 1000

 

[ROG]

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1457
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle -
4 - towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer = 2584
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 1000

Really need the GVW but I can say this

It would be ILLEGAL to tow this on a B licence

Reasons
The trailer MAM of 2584 is more than the vehicle unladen weight of 1457
The trailer MAM of 2584 plus whatever the vehicle GVW might be is going to be well over 3500

The only way you could tow this trailer on a B licence is to downplate the trailer to 1450 but that means you could only load it with 450
That is also assuming the GVW of the vehicle is not more than 2050

IF you had a B+E licence then the only restriction would be the load you put onto the trailer which would be 1000 as it already weighs 1000 unladen/empty and the vehicle has a towing capacity of 2000