ROG
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1515 is the unladen/kerb/empty weight
With a 500 horse its going to be VERY tight weight wise
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With a 500 horse its going to be VERY tight weight wise
Blythwind
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Hi ROG,
I have an Ifor Williams 401, and currently tow on a B licence with my Vauxhall Vectra. However, the car is getting quite old now and will need replacing at some point this year. I've tried to search the thread without luck, and wondered if you have a list of cars that are suitable to tow a 401 (downplated as necessary) on a B licence? I know people used Ford MOndeos and Skoda Octavias. Any thing else?
Thanks
I have an Ifor Williams 401, and currently tow on a B licence with my Vauxhall Vectra. However, the car is getting quite old now and will need replacing at some point this year. I've tried to search the thread without luck, and wondered if you have a list of cars that are suitable to tow a 401 (downplated as necessary) on a B licence? I know people used Ford MOndeos and Skoda Octavias. Any thing else?
Thanks
ROG
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there are hundreds of options so cannot really helpHi ROG,
I have an Ifor Williams 401, and currently tow on a B licence with my Vauxhall Vectra. However, the car is getting quite old now and will need replacing at some point this year. I've tried to search the thread without luck, and wondered if you have a list of cars that are suitable to tow a 401 (downplated as necessary) on a B licence? I know people used Ford MOndeos and Skoda Octavias. Any thing else?
Thanks
What is the trailer down plated to and how heavy is the horse ??
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JoJo_
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Would you be able to advise if the following is legal?
Vehicle: Landrover Freelander (I think its 2003)
Trailer: New IW 511
Horse: 16.2-16.3HH must weigh about 700kg
My friend insists she has looked into what she can tow before buying a freelander and I shudder everytime I see her out and about. She reckons she can tow her horse but not two horses and her horse is a big warmblood.
Vehicle: Landrover Freelander (I think its 2003)
Trailer: New IW 511
Horse: 16.2-16.3HH must weigh about 700kg
My friend insists she has looked into what she can tow before buying a freelander and I shudder everytime I see her out and about. She reckons she can tow her horse but not two horses and her horse is a big warmblood.
ROG
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What licence ..... B or B+E ?
JoJo_
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She didnt need to do a trailer license like I had to as passed her test before the law came into effect. Sorry not sure which she falls into!
ROG
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Is it this freelander = http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/cars/s...s-station-wagon-5dr-specifications-19556.aspx
With this trailer = http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/trailer/1011
If yes then .....
B licence = no chance
B+E licence = ok to load trailer with 800 kg
With this trailer = http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/trailer/1011
If yes then .....
B licence = no chance
B+E licence = ok to load trailer with 800 kg
Pre 1997 = B+E so ok
JoJo_
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Looks about right. Must be just within the law when loaded up with tack etc. I'd personally be scared braking in a little 4x4 with a big trailer and horse behind me! Thanks ROG!
gingerthing
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Hi ROG, I got my weights & car model all wrong! So here are my new figures;
On the vehicle ID plate for my nissan xtrail 2.2 dci SE it reads;
2050 kgs
4050kgs
1110kgs
1165kgs
Towing an Ifor Williams HB401R, this has an un laden weight of 935kgs, fully laden weight of 1600kgs. So if towing on a B license what would my trailer need to be downplated to?
On the vehicle ID plate for my nissan xtrail 2.2 dci SE it reads;
2050 kgs
4050kgs
1110kgs
1165kgs
Towing an Ifor Williams HB401R, this has an un laden weight of 935kgs, fully laden weight of 1600kgs. So if towing on a B license what would my trailer need to be downplated to?
ROG
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GVW 2050
Towing capacity 2000
Trailer MAM can be 1450 max
Down plating from 1600 to 1450 with an empty weight of 935 means it can be loaded with 515 kg which is going to be very close for a horse around 500 kg
You certain the empty weight is 935 ????????????
gingerthing
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Thanks!
Yes checked plate again and it was definitely 935kgs unladen, my trailer is a 2001 model so unless it's heavier than the newer ones?
Yes checked plate again and it was definitely 935kgs unladen, my trailer is a 2001 model so unless it's heavier than the newer ones?
ROG
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I emailed IW just now and they state empty weight for 401R is deffo 770kg
I think you need to go empty to a weightbridge
gingerthing
Well-Known Member
Thanks ROG for that, yes I am going to get my combination weighed to be on the safe side. If 770kg is correct then what would my trailer need to be downplated to?
ROG
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The same as what I stated before
With a lower empty weight it means you can load more into it
Overgrown Pony
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Hi ROG
Land Rover Freelander 2.2 TD4 XS 5dr - 2013
GVW 2505kg
Minimum kerb weight 1785kg
Tow capacity 2000kg
Horse is about 600kg
So the question is, is there any way I can legally tow on a B license?
Many thanks in advance
PS happy to get a lightweight eg Cheval Liberte mare & foal unladen is 650kg
Land Rover Freelander 2.2 TD4 XS 5dr - 2013
GVW 2505kg
Minimum kerb weight 1785kg
Tow capacity 2000kg
Horse is about 600kg
So the question is, is there any way I can legally tow on a B license?
Many thanks in advance
PS happy to get a lightweight eg Cheval Liberte mare & foal unladen is 650kg
ROG
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No chance as the GVW of 2505 is way too highHi ROG
Land Rover Freelander 2.2 TD4 XS 5dr - 2013
GVW 2505kg
Minimum kerb weight 1785kg
Tow capacity 2000kg
Horse is about 600kg
So the question is, is there any way I can legally tow on a B license?
Many thanks in advance
PS happy to get a lightweight eg Cheval Liberte mare & foal unladen is 650kg
It only allows for a trailer to be max plated at 995 kg so if the cheval trailer was plated at 995 with an empty weight about 650 then it leaves 345 for a horse
Overgrown Pony
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Thought as much. Will need to sit my test. I'm confident to do it but it's all money money money :s
Big thanks ROG
Big thanks ROG
ROG
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Thought as much. Will need to sit my test. I'm confident to do it but it's all money money money :s
Big thanks ROG
Or change the towing vehicle ........
ROG
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I need you to do a few things so I can answer with a definitive
Find the weight plate on the vehicle which is usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame and post the top two of the four weights OR look on the V5 keepers doc and give my the max permissible mass weight and the max braked towing weight
On the trailer I need the top weight on the silver weight plate OR if not one then the tyre load ratings on the tyres = http://www.blackcircles.com/general/load-rating
Do you have a B+E licence ?
Leo Walker
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The v5 doesn't state anything against the towing info but the manual states unladen weight (kg) front axle 713, rear axle 635, total 1338. EEC kerb weight front axle 751, rear axle 695, total 1446, gross vehicle weight front axle 930, rear axle 1190, total 2120
And yes, B+E licence
No info on the trailer, as she hasnt bought one yet, but is currently looking, hence the questions
Does that help?
And yes, B+E licence
No info on the trailer, as she hasnt bought one yet, but is currently looking, hence the questions
Does that help?
ROG
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Not much help
Front and rear axle weights will be greater than GVW to allow for load flexibility
What are the top two figures on the vehicle weight plate ?
pickwickayr
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Hi ROG
I wonder if you can advise me. My towing car is an Audi 1.9 A4 TDI estate Nov 2003 model. The mass in service printed on V5 is 1624kg.
the plate under the bonnet has the followng weights 2010kg, 3655, 1075, 1075
According the the manufactur the GVW of my car is 2000kg and the towing capacity is 1600kg
My trailer weight is 800kg and the plated MAM is 1700kg. I have been to a weigh bridge fully loaded with trailer, pony, full car and the weight was 3.0tonnes.
I would like to know if this combination is possible on B license? and if so what would I need to get the trailer downplated to? only ever tow 1 x 14.2 pony weighing around 450kg max
I wonder if you can advise me. My towing car is an Audi 1.9 A4 TDI estate Nov 2003 model. The mass in service printed on V5 is 1624kg.
the plate under the bonnet has the followng weights 2010kg, 3655, 1075, 1075
According the the manufactur the GVW of my car is 2000kg and the towing capacity is 1600kg
My trailer weight is 800kg and the plated MAM is 1700kg. I have been to a weigh bridge fully loaded with trailer, pony, full car and the weight was 3.0tonnes.
I would like to know if this combination is possible on B license? and if so what would I need to get the trailer downplated to? only ever tow 1 x 14.2 pony weighing around 450kg max
ROG
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GVW is 2010 kg as that is what is on the plate
That means you can have a trailer plated at 1490 kg max
As long as the manufacturer of your trailer is still trading then I would contact them and ask them to down plate it from 1700 to 1400 which would then allow you to load it with 600 kg and would allow you to tow it with any vehicle which had a GVW of not more than 2100 kg
Down plating usually involves you removing the plate then sending it with X amount of money to the manufacturer who then send you a new plate to fit on yourself
You need a drill and a pop rivet gun or take it to someone that has them to do this for you
wench
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Hopefully ROG will pick up on this one...
I've got to buy a "new" car shortly, and wondered if I could have some recommendations.
I have a very small budget (approx £300) and would ideally like to get something I can tow my trailer with, and wondered wage sort of car might be suitable.
I am aware that a Mondeo will do what I want, but not entirely sure on old car reliability!
My trailer is approx 900kg and horse 500kg. The car is a temporary, so not planning on keeping it for years!
I've got to buy a "new" car shortly, and wondered if I could have some recommendations.
I have a very small budget (approx £300) and would ideally like to get something I can tow my trailer with, and wondered wage sort of car might be suitable.
I am aware that a Mondeo will do what I want, but not entirely sure on old car reliability!
My trailer is approx 900kg and horse 500kg. The car is a temporary, so not planning on keeping it for years!
ROG
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I cannot help with vehicle or trailer recommendations but I can help with a vehicle and trailer combination legalities once you know what you are thinking of getting
I would also need to know what licence the driver has - B or B+E
SadKen
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I thought I had a high IQ until I started trying to work out if I could tow a HB506!
I've got a Tiguan 2.0 TDI 2009 4x4. I only want to tow one 14.2hh pony who weighs about 480kg, plus me, OH and tack.
Here are my numbers:
1 – B+E (pre 1997)
2 – 1665kg
3 – 2240kg
4 – 2200kg
5 – Ifor 506 (I think this is 2600kg?)
6 – 920kg
Hopefully this makes sense and is OK! Thanks in advance Rog!
I've got a Tiguan 2.0 TDI 2009 4x4. I only want to tow one 14.2hh pony who weighs about 480kg, plus me, OH and tack.
Here are my numbers:
1 – B+E (pre 1997)
2 – 1665kg
3 – 2240kg
4 – 2200kg
5 – Ifor 506 (I think this is 2600kg?)
6 – 920kg
Hopefully this makes sense and is OK! Thanks in advance Rog!
ROG
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You can load 1280 kg into the trailer (2200-920=1280)
The weight of the people go into the vehicle GVW not the trailer MAM etc unless you are putting people in the trailer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SadKen
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Tempting sometimes, but no, I probably wouldn't get away with that!
Thanks - it seems simple now you've said.
Thanks - it seems simple now you've said.
ROG
Well-Known Member
That is why I am here - to make this issue simple instead of the somewhat confusing and inaccurate info that the GOV put on the internet
mizzbiz
Active Member
I do intend to do my test but I have parental units with grandfather rights so can always use their 'supervision' and L plates if worst comes to worst BUT looking at buying a Skoda Octavia as a little birdy told me I may be able to tow on a B licence...
Weight and Capacities
Gross vehicle weight 2018 kg
Max loading weight 638 kg
Max towing weight - braked 2000 kg
Max towing weight - unbraked 720 kg
Unladen weight 1380 kg
Am I right in thinking I can have a trailer up to 1500kg with this as my towing vehicle? Can you give me an example with a standard IW 510? Or is there a lighter trailer I could go for that would work?
In an ideal world it'll be 2 small ponies (one 14hh and one 15hh) but if on my B licence I can only take one I can live with that and drag folks along if both are going out?
Any help or advice would be appreciated! I can't get my head around all this stuff!
Weight and Capacities
Gross vehicle weight 2018 kg
Max loading weight 638 kg
Max towing weight - braked 2000 kg
Max towing weight - unbraked 720 kg
Unladen weight 1380 kg
Am I right in thinking I can have a trailer up to 1500kg with this as my towing vehicle? Can you give me an example with a standard IW 510? Or is there a lighter trailer I could go for that would work?
In an ideal world it'll be 2 small ponies (one 14hh and one 15hh) but if on my B licence I can only take one I can live with that and drag folks along if both are going out?
Any help or advice would be appreciated! I can't get my head around all this stuff!