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[dornrose]

I assume the word TEST has been missed out ?

That being the case then .......

The trailer must now be loaded with 600 kgs of sand bags or a 1000 kgs water IBC for the test so most companies are now training with that weight in the trailer = https://www.gov.uk/new-laden-testing-rules-for-driving-test-vehicles


This is interesting BUT NOT RECOMMENDED – a B licence towing set up can be presented for the B+E test but L plates must be used for the test that means you can train yourself, go to test by yourself, fit L plates, do the test, then, pass or fail, remove L plates and drive away by yourself.
DSA B+E TEST AND VEHICLE/TRAILER REQUIREMENTS = http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/CaravansTrailersCommercialVehicles/DG_4022521
Remember that the required 600 kgs of sand bags or 1 x 1000 IBC filled with water will be required in the trailer and the load must be secure.

One thing to remember that the sand bags must be a minimum of 10kgs each and be clearly marked preferably in clear plastic bags (properly sealed) - the water container need only be 600 litres but must be full to avoid the water slooshing around, so if you can only get a 1000kgs lbc it would also need to be full. The examiner will check.

 

[daisy123]

Thanks rog. Yes I missed the word test out silly me lol

 

[ROG]

One thing to remember that the sand bags must be a minimum of 10kgs each and be clearly marked preferably in clear plastic bags (properly sealed) - the water container need only be 600 litres but must be full to avoid the water slooshing around, so if you can only get a 1000kgs lbc it would also need to be full. The examiner will check.

Are you certain about the 600 IBC because it is not in the link about the requirements - the 1000 IBC is though ?

 

[ROG]

Thanks rog. Yes I missed the word test out silly me lol

Most cannot comply with all the requirements so opt to use the combinations supplied by B+E trainers

 

[daisy123]

I might just go straight in for my test with a B+E trainer. Don't Need any training but will have to get used to their vehicle. That's why I wanted to use my own because I'm used to it.

 

[ROG]

I might just go straight in for my test with a B+E trainer. Don't Need any training but will have to get used to their vehicle. That's why I wanted to use my own because I'm used to it.

A one day bit of training with test later same day should do you

 

[dornrose]

Yes I am. The requirement is for a 600kgs weight I've had no complaints about it from examiners as long as it's full.

For those thinking of doing their test in their own car a lot of trainers will have no issues with that as long as your car is suitable for test purpose.

 

[Blackbeauty007]

Hello can anyone help.
I have the B license.
Can I tow with
I for Williams 505 unladen weight: 905kg. Horse in weighing 600kg. With a BMW X1 with towing capacity of 2000kg and unladen weight of car 1600kg?
Thank you x

 

[ROG]

Hello can anyone help.
I have the B license.
Can I tow with
I for Williams 505 unladen weight: 905kg. Horse in weighing 600kg. With a BMW X1 with towing capacity of 2000kg and unladen weight of car 1600kg?
Thank you x

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/bmw/x1/gross-vehicle-weight/ = BMW X1 GVW ???? - which model is yours?
http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/trailer/1063 = HB505 MAM 2340kg

BMW GVW + Trailer MAM 2340 must not total more than 3500 for B towing
Trailer MAM can be down plated by IW but that is unlikely to help in this situation as the 905 empty weight remains the same so down plating simply reduces the load capacity

Lets say your BMW model has a GVW of 2045kg then that leaves a max trailer plated MAM of 1455kg
Your horse is 600kg so that means the trailer needs to be a max of 855kg empty

You could tow this 600kg horse on a B licence with your BMW but you will need a trailer such as a HB401/3 down plated to 1450 which weighs 780kg empty leaving 670 for the horse = 70kg to spare

Your current trailer is no good for what you wish to do

 

[ROG]

Adding to my post above -

If the BMW GVW is 2145 then you will need something like the Bateson Derby trailer which is 675 empty and can be down plated from 1700 to 1350 leaving 675 for the horse/trailer load

PS all the weights in your original post refer to actual weights but the driving licence rules go on the plated weights

 

[Buckskinspots]

Hi rog, can you confirm this is legal for b license

Subaru legacy estate 1600kg max braked tow weight and new ifor 403 with max weight of 1600kg

So comes to 3200kg

 

[ROG]

Hi rog, can you confirm this is legal for b license

Subaru legacy estate 1600kg max braked tow weight and new ifor 403 with max weight of 1600kg

So comes to 3200kg

Is it this model ? = http://www.autoevolution.com/cars/subaru-legacy-2003.html#aeng_subaru-legacy-2004-20-r
If it is then the GVW is 1930 kg so with the 1600 kg MAM trailer that makes 3530 total MAM which is 30 kg over the B towing limit

I REALLY need to know the GVW of your model ???????????????????????????????????

PS - if its this model = http://www.autoevolution.com/cars/subaru-legacy-wagon-2009.html#aeng_subaru-legacy-wagon-2009-20i then the GVW should be 1815 kg which added to 1600 trailer MAM is 3415 so within the B towing limit

Trailer can always be down plated a little to fit within the rules if needs be

 

[Buckskinspots]

I havnt bought it yet,was looking at one tomorrow.that's a ****** if it is 30 kg over

 

[Buckskinspots]

Whats the penalty if I'm over by 30 kg before its downplated?

 

[Clannad48]

Hi all,

Just an odd bit of advice/information.

I recently had work done on my car which apparently required the towball to be removed. Not a problem as it was refitted once the work was completed. I took the horse out in the trailer today and although everything seemed fine, it was just not quite right. When we got back I realised that the towball had been replaced in higher holes than previously. I realise that I should have checked before taking the trailer out but to be honest hadn't realised that the towball had required being moved to enable the work to be done. I drive a Kia Sorento and the towbar has two sets of holes at different heights to bolt the towball to.

 

[Blackbeauty007]

Thanks for the advice x

 

[ROG]

Whats the penalty if I'm over by 30 kg before its downplated?

Driving not in accordance with the licence which therefore invalidates the insurance so bye bye car !

Cheaper to pay IW about £50 to have the trailer down plated

Lets say the GVW of the one you are buying is 2000 kg then down plating the trailer from 1600 to 1500 will still leave at least 700 kg for the trailer load/horse

 

[ROG]

Have you bought the brand new 403 yet ?

If no then it can be down plated before you buy it

 

[Buckskinspots]

Hiring it for 6 months,then looking to buy it in a few months if my horse travels well in it so unable to downplate at moment. Currently towed with an x trail by my oh but ideally I need to tow.will be doing my trailer test asap. Will pm you some questions about test

 

[ROG]

Hiring it for 6 months,then looking to buy it in a few months if my horse travels well in it so unable to downplate at moment. Currently towed with an x trail by my oh but ideally I need to tow.will be doing my trailer test asap. Will pm you some questions about test

Check out post number 2000 of this thread as that has much more info which WILL be useful

Why is OH driving when towing when you can with L plates on and OH sitting in passenger seat = see post 2000

 

[Buckskinspots]

He does sit in with me but he works alot so not always available when I want to take one of the horses somewhere. What I really want to know is how hard is it to pass the test if I'm confident towing and can reverse well and without paying £500+ on 3 days training and just go for test.thanks

 

[ROG]

He does sit in with me but he works alot so not always available when I want to take one of the horses somewhere. What I really want to know is how hard is it to pass the test if I'm confident towing and can reverse well and without paying £500+ on 3 days training and just go for test.thanks

Everyone is different regarding tests

Due to the new test requirement rules for vehicles and trailers it is advisable to use a trainers set up for the test

I reckon you could do the lot in one day - train in morning then test in afternoon

 

[Buckskinspots]

Sadly all the local trainers only offer minimum 2/3 days training!
More money making for them!
The test centre is 60+ miles away so say they need a couple of days

 

[ROG]

Sadly all the local trainers only offer minimum 2/3 days training!
More money making for them

Where in UK are you ?

 

[Buckskinspots]

Cumbria

 

[ROG]

Cumbria

I will have a search tomorrow and see what I can come up with

 

[Buckskinspots]

Thanks rog, superstar as always

 

[ROG]

http://www.cumbria-driving-lessons.co.uk/trailer-training-carlisle they do the B+E in one day or pm one day and test am next day but only at the Carlisle centre

 

[Pixie88]

Hi

I am planning my set up for next year (Plan is to get my 4x4 this winter, then trailer in spring).

1 - B Licence
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle: 1640KG 05 plate Freelander
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle: 2080KG 05 Freelander
4 - GTW towing vehicle: 1800kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer: 1600kg (this would need downgrading I think)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer: 767 kg

From what I have worked out / researched if I get the trailer downplated to 1400 then I will be under the weight of 3500kg. Is it the Gross Vehicle Weight + Gross Trailer = 3480.

I only have a 14.2 pony who weighs about 475.
How do you go about getting it downplated?
Does anybody have any other recommendations for 4x4 + single trailer?

Thanks.

 

[ROG]

Hi

I am planning my set up for next year (Plan is to get my 4x4 this winter, then trailer in spring).

1 - B Licence
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle: 1640KG 05 plate Freelander
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle: 2080KG 05 Freelander
4 - GTW towing vehicle: 1800kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer: 1600kg (this would need downgrading I think)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer: 767 kg

From what I have worked out / researched if I get the trailer downplated to 1400 then I will be under the weight of 3500kg. Is it the Gross Vehicle Weight + Gross Trailer = 3480.

I only have a 14.2 pony who weighs about 475.
How do you go about getting it downplated?
Does anybody have any other recommendations for 4x4 + single trailer?

Thanks.

I know that 4 should be max towing capacity = 1800

You have the rest of your figures and what you need to do spot on = well impressed !!!!

I guess the trailer is an HB401 or 403 so to down plate it you will need to Phone IFOR WILLIAMS on 01490 412527 - ask for customer care
IW will then ask you to remove the current plate and send it to them with about £50
IW then send you the new plate to fix on
You need access to a drill and a pop rivet gun