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ReelyWheelie
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I just mean, nose weight "significance" I suppose - because anyone I've ever spoken to about towing a horsebox never ever comments on nose weight or gauges. So many people say to me just hitch and go!
Certainly something I've never seen anyone checking before we headed off.
Figured there had to be more to it than that.
Now I see it is something that should be purchased and used (and awareness of your vehicles nose weight limit) as standard no matter what you're towing. So I'll be buying mine, now that I'll be towing myself and by myself.
Thanks a million for all the info
Ellzbellz97
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One for Rog I have a VW Tiguan GVW 2080 looking at getting the ifor Williams 401 horse weighs about 560kg, believe the ifor 401 is 1600kg I’d need to downplate but even if I did would this be legal on a B licence? Thanks
ROG
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Down plate to 1400 and that will be legal for B towing
At 1400 and 780 empty that leaves a max trailer load of 620 so you have 60 to spare
Hazkirbo
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One for ROG:
Stepdad is getting brand new Volvo V60 (R-design D4) that’s got a braked towing weight of 2000kg. Horse + tack is 600kg (that’s generous, he’s more like 500kg but just being safe) and local company hires out ifor Williams singles (can’t remember what variety though!!)
He’s had his licence over 25 years so has all the correct licensing to tow, just don’t want to be overweight and the maths side of this frazzles me!
Stepdad is getting brand new Volvo V60 (R-design D4) that’s got a braked towing weight of 2000kg. Horse + tack is 600kg (that’s generous, he’s more like 500kg but just being safe) and local company hires out ifor Williams singles (can’t remember what variety though!!)
He’s had his licence over 25 years so has all the correct licensing to tow, just don’t want to be overweight and the maths side of this frazzles me!
ROG
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IW HB401/3 is about 780 empty + horse 600 = 1380 total with a 2000 tow limit so plenty to spare
Rockland Ma Cherie
Member
Hi
Please help ROG/ anyone else who knows for sure.
I’ve been over and over this, but am so very confused. I have a 2015 2 wheel drive x trail.
Vehicle weight 1500kg.
Max braked towing weight 2000kg
Biggest of my horses weighs 475kg
I have a B licence.
Is there any trailer set up you know if which carries two horses ( in case my B+E license husband can drive both of them on the odd day) but in which I could legally tow just one? Keen to get son out to pony club, but struggling!
Thanks in advance.
Please help ROG/ anyone else who knows for sure.
I’ve been over and over this, but am so very confused. I have a 2015 2 wheel drive x trail.
Vehicle weight 1500kg.
Max braked towing weight 2000kg
Biggest of my horses weighs 475kg
I have a B licence.
Is there any trailer set up you know if which carries two horses ( in case my B+E license husband can drive both of them on the odd day) but in which I could legally tow just one? Keen to get son out to pony club, but struggling!
Thanks in advance.
ROG
Well-Known Member
One weight is missing which I need - the GVW of the vehicle
I am GUESSING that it will be around 2000kgs ???????????
Would a bateson derby mare + foal trailer be big enough providing the licence weights work out ?
https://www.batesontrailers.com/shop/horse-trailers/derby-lightweight-horse-pony/
Jenspep
New User
Hi Rog, can I run some calculations past you please! I’m looking to downsize a 510 to a 401 so I can tow on a B license. Looked at a SWB Suzuki Grand Vitara, tow capacity 2000kg, GVW 1665kg, unladen weight 1470kg. Am I right in saying that if a 780kg 401 is down plated to 1450kg and carries a pony generously overestimated at 450kg this would be ok? With those calculations I’ve got 220kg of spare weight is that right? The weights of the same model of car differed between websites so I’m hoping those weights are accurate.
Also, on some caravanning websites there was talk of 85% weight. Can you explain what this means and if it applies to us? Thanks so much Rog 😊
Also, on some caravanning websites there was talk of 85% weight. Can you explain what this means and if it applies to us? Thanks so much Rog 😊
Jenspep
New User
Whoops, I think those numbers are wrong.. Googling further I've found the kerb weight as 1680kg and GVW 2070kg.
ROG
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Read more at https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/...ng-clinic.490195/page-122#epT8e8aE3i20bWT1.99
vehicle GVW 2070
Trailer HB401 MAM 1600 but can be lowered to 1400 leaving a max trailer load of just over 600kg
85% ADVICE is for caravans only
Cherylx
Active Member
I’m pretty useless with all the numbers and my mind is getting boggled!
Can I tow with a 2011 freelander 2 with 2t towing capacity and a HB403 which I believe is 1600kg GW and 767kg unladen on a B licence? Horse is around 550kg
Can I tow with a 2011 freelander 2 with 2t towing capacity and a HB403 which I believe is 1600kg GW and 767kg unladen on a B licence? Horse is around 550kg
ROG
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I need the GVW of the vehicle
GVW is the top of the 4 numbers on the weight plate usually hidden in the door frame or under the bonnet
OR the max permissible mass listed on the keepers V5 doc
If as I think the GVW is 2505 then no horse trailer can be towed with it on a B licence unless under B+E learner rules
Cherylx
Active Member
Is this the correct plate? The numbers seem awfully large? Thanks for your help!
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ROG
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No - the correct plate only has 4 figures on it
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ROG
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Cherylx
Active Member
I had a look at the V5 and you were correct in 2505.
Test and double trailer it is for me.
Thanks for your help!
ROG
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In the meantime get a B+E holder to sit next to you as supervisor
Supervisor needs to have held B+E for 3 years - be age 21+ - does not need to be insured to drive it unless they sit behind the wheel on a public road
HufflyPuffly
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Hi ROG, what can I tow with a Mitsubishi Outlander on a B licence?
The weights I've found are:
Is it a none starter and I would have to take my B+E for this car? I currently have a 3.5t box and just weighing up options, thank you in advance!
The weights I've found are:
Is it a none starter and I would have to take my B+E for this car? I currently have a 3.5t box and just weighing up options, thank you in advance!
ROG
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GVW 2360 only leaves 1140 for the max plated MAM of a trailer
The lightest trailer I know of is the Bateson Derby at 675 so with that down plated to 1140 it only leaves 465 for the max load into the trailer
Is what you are going to load in the trailer heavier than 465kg ?
conniegirl
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The cheval liberte 1003XL had an unladen weight of 550kg so is lighter thant the Bateson Derby but is only a single trailer.
HufflyPuffly
Well-Known Member
Yeah I'd be looking at a horse(s) that each weigh between 500-600kg realistically so even on their own they would be over, thank you that's really helpful.
If I did my B+E would it tow? Sorry all the weights are confusing!
ROG
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good find
ROG
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Ok with B+E = many other trailers to choose from
bellsinheaven
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Hi all, I am completely new to this. I am thinking of doing my B+E licence. My mare is 650KG. I am going to purchase an ifor 505, which has the following stats
Max gross weight:2340 kg
Unlaiden weight 905.00 kg
Weight capacity 1435 kg
How do I know what car to buy to tow this? And what do i need to know? i am figuring that it needs to be able to tow at least 1700KG if the trailer is 905, plus 650 horse, plus tack and me in it?
Max gross weight:2340 kg
Unlaiden weight 905.00 kg
Weight capacity 1435 kg
How do I know what car to buy to tow this? And what do i need to know? i am figuring that it needs to be able to tow at least 1700KG if the trailer is 905, plus 650 horse, plus tack and me in it?
ROG
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you will need to drive under B+E rules with that trailer
you need a car with a towing capacity of at least 1600kg (905+650+tack)
YOU travelling in the trailer is illegal !!!!!
bellsinheaven
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I meant me and the tack would travel in the car and the horse in the trailer!
sherry90
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HELP!
Looking to purchase an Ifor 401 to get my 5yo out to some clinics but unsure if my current car will be able to tow (2014 2WD Ford Kuga)
1. I have a B Licence (willing to take test if required)
2. Unsure of this but will find out!
3. 2250kg (GVW of vehicle)
4. 1800kg (towing capacity of car)
5. 1600kg (MAM of Ifor 401)
6. 770kg (unladen weight of Ifor 401)
Horse is 16.2hh approx 630kg.
Any help/advice much appreciated.
Looking to purchase an Ifor 401 to get my 5yo out to some clinics but unsure if my current car will be able to tow (2014 2WD Ford Kuga)
1. I have a B Licence (willing to take test if required)
2. Unsure of this but will find out!
3. 2250kg (GVW of vehicle)
4. 1800kg (towing capacity of car)
5. 1600kg (MAM of Ifor 401)
6. 770kg (unladen weight of Ifor 401)
Horse is 16.2hh approx 630kg.
Any help/advice much appreciated.
ROG
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With a GVW of 2250 that leaves you a max plated MAM for a trailer of 1250
A 401 is just under 770 ish empty so lets say 800 which leaves 450 for the horse - is your horse heavier than 450kg?
If horse within 450 then then the 401 can be down plated from 1600 to 1250