Well this is a can of worms

TigerTail said:
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The Big Boned thing really doesnt wash. No not everything is as simple as eat less move more, often because by the time people have realised they need to lose weight they're past that more simple stage.
However it is still you putting the food in your mouth - no one else.

And what on earth is the ''us cuddlies'' bit about?!?!?! Does that make it acceptable in your head to be putting your body under unnecessary strain? Or to be burdening the NHS? Bus seats are not made for ''skinnies'' theyre made for average :rolleyes: You seem to think the world owes you something just because you got yourself fat?!
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STAND BACK, seriously are you that stupid or are you deliberately trying to be insulting, which ever you have succeeded in making me very very angry..

LISTEN

WHEN DID I EVER SAY I AM NOT FAT????


Jezus, look, take a shire horse slim it right down, what do you have a TB? no, you have a trim and fit big boned horse.

Take me slim me down do you have an etheral super model waif, no you have a trim fit SHIRE HORSE, complete with hairy legs unless I am dedicated in removing them.

I AM NOT USING BEING BIG BONED AS AN EXCUSE FOR BEING FAT, I just recognize a simple truth I am not a TB, I come from years of peasant stock, and yes it shows in my behaviour as well as my build.

AND I have never use the world cuddly, the world doesn't owe me a damn thing, apart from recognizing that I am a PERSON, like everyone else a flawed, and less than perfect person, who sometimes thinks the only way that you are a winner is to keep fighting, and I am fighting.
 
Billie1007 said:
Armas has already been very kind - what a good guy!

Rhino, I am out of breath walking at the moment - can it be done? I accepted a place in July. Thinking 'I can do this' I then very promptly broke my foot, put on nearly two stone and am worse than when I started :(
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Absolutely yes it can! You have over 6 months, so if you are sensible, organised and try and look after yourself you can do it :) Have you done any distance running or walking events before? What can you do (comfortably) now and how much time/how many 'sessions' are you realistically going to be able to do a week?
 
I'm coming to this discussion fairly late, so my point may be invalid but I have read the whole thread.

I am a "former" anorexic. I say "former" because I truly don't think it ever leaves you. I am 17, and 5'11 and weigh 8 and a half stone. Many people often comment that I should eat more, but I am happy with who I am. When I was at my worst I was 4 stone, and was seriously ill.

I have no problem with over weight people, none whatsoever. In fact, I understand it to an extent, although my problem with food is the complete opposite.

What I do have a problem with, is if anyone comments on someone being obese/overweight etc, then its "fat bashing", its "bullying", "cruel" etc, but if somebody called me "skinny", people would assume it's a compliment.

Being "overweight" is a fact, just as being "underweight" is a fact. It's not bullying, or being cruel.

What is cruel is people who are clearly too heavy for horses riding them. I'm sorry, I know people will disagree with me, but there comes a point when it is just not fair to ask any horse to carry that amount of weight. If you want to ride, use it as a motivation to lose weight, but in the meantime stay on the ground.

I can't see how it can be good for the horse in any shape or form, and I bet it causes long term damage. Okay, so a lot of horses might seem okay carrying a certain weight, but I bet after a while they start to ache.

I know it's not comparable, but the way I see it is, my college bag, when it's filled with books is heavy. I can carry it round for hours with no ill effect, but towards the end of the day my shoulders start to ache. It must be the same for a horse.

I just can't understand, I have a problem with food, and my relationship with it is still unhealthy, but I use food to help me see things in a positive light. In my case, I won't allow myself to go on a ride unless I have eaten. I know it is hard overcoming the mental affects, but if I can put on weight, and try hard to overcome something as depressing and life changing as anorexia, I'm sure people could do the same with obesity. (I'm not denying it would be hard, but surely a gallop on a horse, who could carry you with no ill effects, would be so worth it!)

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just in general. I just hate how it seems to be one rule for obese people, and another for skinny people. I know not all slim people have anorexia, but some do. I'm sick of being told "I won't grow into a "real" woman". I'm sorry but who are you, who is anyone, to define what a "real" woman is?!

IMO, I think the horses have to come first, no one has the right to inflict pain on them, whether it be purposefully or not. :)

PS, Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm dyslexic as well, and the spell check on my computer seems to be slow. :o
 
Er the latter part of my post was aimed at the poster who posted the 'cuddlies vs skinnies' bit..... Nothing to do with you :confused:

You cannot compare your physiology to a horses - we are designed completely differently. X rays prove that 'big boned' doesn't exist in the sense most use it.
 
Little Fat Pony said:
I'm coming to this discussion fairly late, so my point may be invalid but I have read the whole thread.

I am a "former" anorexic. I say "former" because I truly don't think it ever leaves you. I am 17, and 5'11 and weigh 8 and a half stone. Many people often comment that I should eat more, but I am happy with who I am. When I was at my worst I was 4 stone, and was seriously ill.

I have no problem with over weight people, none whatsoever. In fact, I understand it to an extent, although my problem with food is the complete opposite.

What I do have a problem with, is if anyone comments on someone being obese/overweight etc, then its "fat bashing", its "bullying", "cruel" etc, but if somebody called me "skinny", people would assume it's a compliment.

Being "overweight" is a fact, just as being "underweight" is a fact. It's not bullying, or being cruel.

What is cruel is people who are clearly too heavy for horses riding them. I'm sorry, I know people will disagree with me, but there comes a point when it is just not fair to ask any horse to carry that amount of weight. If you want to ride, use it as a motivation to lose weight, but in the meantime stay on the ground.

I can't see how it can be good for the horse in any shape or form, and I bet it causes long term damage. Okay, so a lot of horses might seem okay carrying a certain weight, but I bet after a while they start to ache.

I know it's not comparable, but the way I see it is, my college bag, when it's filled with books is heavy. I can carry it round for hours with no ill effect, but towards the end of the day my shoulders start to ache. It must be the same for a horse.

I just can't understand, I have a problem with food, and my relationship with it is still unhealthy, but I use food to help me see things in a positive light. In my case, I won't allow myself to go on a ride unless I have eaten. I know it is hard overcoming the mental affects, but if I can put on weight, and try hard to overcome something as depressing and life changing as anorexia, I'm sure people could do the same with obesity. (I'm not denying it would be hard, but surely a gallop on a horse, who could carry you with no ill effects, would be so worth it!)

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just in general. I just hate how it seems to be one rule for obese people, and another for skinny people. I know not all slim people have anorexia, but some do. I'm sick of being told "I won't grow into a "real" woman". I'm sorry but who are you, who is anyone, to define what a "real" woman is?!

IMO, I think the horses have to come first, no one has the right to inflict pain on them, whether it be purposefully or not. :)

PS, Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm dyslexic as well, and the spell check on my computer seems to be slow. :o
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What an eloquent post. Much more mature than many twice your age.
 
Rhino - (can't quote as on my phone), I can walk at 6k an hour for an hour at the moment. I work up a massive sweat but I can do it. Every 15 minutes I run for 1 minute as fast as I can which is at about 8k an hour - trying to do have the 'interval' effect. I need a programme to stick to though as I am just making it up, refusing to let husband help me and still massively overeating. I have to stop and I want to. A couple of years ago I managed to go from 30 seconds running to managing 55 minutes in six weeks.... What would you recommend? (If you don't mind) :)
 
*likes little fat pony's post*

And to reiterate, why justify to yourself that being 20% of your horses weight is ok? That's a fifth of a horses weight. Why not be 15%? Now THAT would be a radical way to care for the horse. Surely much cheaper than osteopath.... Saddler.... Physio..... Trainer.... Fuller fillies gear.... She's expensive!!

I am not being offensive, I am just trying to motivate. It's like trying to motivate my anorexic sister to eat... But the opposite... How bizarre.

Billie, I think you are awesome! Go girl!!!
 
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Billie1007 said:
Right my new life in the aim to be a fitter, lighter, better rider begins now. Does anyone think thay have it in them to offer advice, motivation and strict ar*e kicking team talks?

Who's with me?

Oh God, did I mention I have a place to run the London Marathon in April?
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The longest journey starts with a single step:) I used to run and once did the Dublin marathon. Don't know who talked me into that one as I was a short distance runner really. You've got lots of time to get ready for it. Well done :)
 
I haven't read the whole thread as it is very long and I don't have the energy. I am a serial yo yo dieter, it is a lot easier to put weight on than take it off I know that much.

I think people need to realise that losing weight is harder for some people than it is for others so while ever I agree that what is needed for successful dieting is to eat less calories than you burn, it is really a lot more complicated in practise. I work in an office for 8 hrs per day and sit in my car getting to and from work for another 3. Apart from that I am fairly active, I walk the dogs, ride, look after the horses at home, am partial to hill walking on rough ground at the weekends but given my time constraints during the week I find it very hard to burn more calories than I eat. I reckon on work days I probably only burn around 1200 cals so that would mean only eating 700 cals a day if I want to lose 1lb a week. That is actually very difficult to do.

I think also my body is just generally slow, my blood pressure is always and has always been slightly on the low side and my resting pulse is generally between 50 and 60. I was hooked up to a heart monitor for a while the other day in the docs and I kept setting an alarm off because my pulse kept dropping below 45, the nurse changed the parameters saying the machine didn't work well on people with naturally low pulses. I suppose that's all metabolism related.
 
Flame_ said:
It is a problem with many solutions and you can choose to commit to finding the appropriate one or ones or you can choose to sit and say "well I've got a problem and there's nothing I can do about it", which, with obesity is simply not true.

The overweight posters on this thread are clearly made of strong stuff and I'm sure they know beating this problem is within their capabilities and its only a matter of time and finding the right approach before they are the weight they want to be.
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I did not intend to suggest that people should not try to lose weight. What I would like to see though is that people stop treating obesity as a moral failing. This isn't really helping anyone.

Losing a few pounds is relatively easy losing a few stones not so much. It is also generally easier to lose weight if you haven't been carrying it for a long time. People who have been obese for many years find it particularly hard to lose weight. Finally, obese people might never achieve to be the weight they want to be. In fact many struggle to maintain a lower weight (compared to their previous weight) that is still considered fat. For example, a person who has been 25 stones for a few years might have to work hard to maintain a weight of 18 stones whilst still being labelled with the stigma of being fat. Imagine constantly restraining yourself to maintain a given weight and still be judged as someone who just can't stay away from the biscuit tin.

In general people find it very hard to change their behaviour. It is not easy to fully overhaul your eating patterns and life-style. Also, to lose weight and not put it back on these changes have to be permanent; a few months of dieting is not going to cut it. Change takes time and people often relapse back into old habits. A snide comment or disgusted look can be detrimental to a person who is trying to change. This is why I think that comments such as eat less, you're just lazy, you have no self-control are unhelpful.
 
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Billie1007 said:
Rhino - (can't quote as on my phone), I can walk at 6k an hour for an hour at the moment. I work up a massive sweat but I can do it. Every 15 minutes I run for 1 minute as fast as I can which is at about 8k an hour - trying to do have the 'interval' effect. I need a programme to stick to though as I am just making it up, refusing to let husband help me and still massively overeating. I have to stop and I want to. A couple of years ago I managed to go from 30 seconds running to managing 55 minutes in six weeks.... What would you recommend? (If you don't mind) :)
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I'll pm you a few links x
 
very well said LFP.
Big Ben, the 'big bones' thing doesn't really wash. maybe it makes you feel better, but it just doesn't wash. I'm 5'10" with wide shoulders and size 8 (U.K. size) feet, but I have small bones (judging by the Dukan test: do your first finger and thumb not meet, meet, or overlap around your wrist? this indicates large frame, average, or small) even though I have a pretty big frame for a woman.
I could very easily be really big and fat. I have a VERY sweet tooth. I'm a carboholic. I would like to exist on chocolate bars, bread, pasta, rice, cakes, muffins, choc brownies... you name it. Those would always be my foods of choice, if I gave myself the choice...
Luckily my love for riding, and for my horses, and my vanity, stop me. I have a cousin in the States who, fortunately, only rides a Harley. She's two of me, and happy with her size. Great, because her Harley copes just fine. That's what it comes down to for me and for a LOT of HHOers. It's about the horses... ;) ;)
Wagtail does pretty much what I do. I can't have that stuff in the house. If it's here, I eat it. I will sit and eat jam out of the jar, honey out of the jar. Sugar out of the sugar pot has been known. That's carboholism for you. Awful.
I keep my weight under control the way thousands of people do, I watch what I eat. There are various ways that work for various people. It's not easy. It's a thousand choices a week. But it is a choice... Dukan works for me. Now I do my own version which is a bit easier (but still stringent).
This isn't supposed to be 'holier than thou'. Nobody ever said it was easy. :( :( :(
 
I don't think that slow pulse and low blood pressure can be used as a reason for being overweight, or being unable to loose weight. I also have low blood pressure and a slow pulse. I actually have problems keeping weight on, and in the past have lost about a stone in two weeks, entirely unintentionally. One reason why my weight drops is allergies to certain foods, the most recent one being alliums (onions, garlic etc). It is possible that some of the people who are having the most difficulty loosing weight are eating something which they have an intolerance to, worth keeping a food diary and seeing which food you eat every day and trying without that for a week. A friend did this with all wheat and lost a lot of weight (which she needed to) she did have some problems with cravings for wheat and also with headaches until her system got used to being without wheat.
 
Tnavas said:
Well Rhino and Billie1007 - you make me laugh -
Life is not fun for us - travelling on public transport is a nightmare as the seats are built for skinnies.

So before you judge you need to know the history.
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Take a dose of your own medicine :)

If I had written that post and said fatties instead of skinnies would that be less acceptable to you than your use of the word skinnies?
 
What yorks g said. When I was in hospital last year the docs put me on obs for having a slow pulse, low bp, etc but I wasn't obese. I'm just chilled out and a normal weight. I am not a skinny bitch and I'm not a fatty (ooh get me, two insults in one :D:D). I am in the green zone... At the top end and I don't work hard for it. I just don't see food like it is a controller of me. I eat when I am hungry. I have the worst job ever as I drive 6 hrs a day. I should be 22st but I'm not because I don't need the energy when all I do is drive all day. I don't stop when I get home... Oh wait I do sit on my arse on HHO but that is another story...

You can make all sorts of excuses for your behaviour and use your body as an excuse for your shortcomings. That's fine. Just don't inflict it on a horse.
 
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Naturally said:
Choice is good. I think a person needs to have to really want to lose weight, they have to CHOOSE to do so, to be successful. But to simplify it into a simple choice is to overly simplify it. People don't choose to be fat. They react to emotions, addictions, habits etc and getting fat is a byproduct. I read diet2ride's blog with sadness. I see someone who desperately wants to be slim but hasn't been armed with the right tools to do so, and hasn't really uncovered the reason why she overeats. Personally, I am overweight and on my own journey. I wish I had the answers but I expect they are unique to each individual, and certainly run both just as shallow, and much deeper than 'choose not to eat that'.

I couldn't support inflicting it on a horse though.
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Really good post Naturally.
 
I didn't mean that having low pulse and blood pressure made me obese. I'm not and never have been obese, overweight maybe.

But low pulse can be an indication of having low metabolism, maybe not for you but maybe for other people. Everyone's different.
 
Wheels said:
I didn't mean that having low pulse and blood pressure made me obese. I'm not and never have been obese, overweight maybe.

But low pulse can be an indication of having low metabolism, maybe not for you but maybe for other people. Everyone's different.
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Yes absolutely, I only used to poo three times a week. They were the size of footballs.

Metabolism can change. I am now in my thirties and I poo every morning. It's wonderful!! I love my poos. My weight hast changed much, I feel healthier and happier and I am like an energiser bunny.

I changed on to a barefoot diet and the rest as they say... Is history :D
 
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Billie1007 said:
Right my new life in the aim to be a fitter, lighter, better rider begins now. Does anyone think thay have it in them to offer advice, motivation and strict ar*e kicking team talks?

Who's with me?

Oh God, did I mention I have a place to run the London Marathon in April?
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Billie you are fantastic, your posts are great and I think you are a brilliant person.

Some things that helped me were, I don't drink anything except water. I got to the age of 28 not liking water now all I drink is (sparking unflavoured) water.

I chew sugar free chewing gum instead of dessert/sweets. Firstly it gives you something to chew on and secondly the amount of calories in it are negative to the amount used to chew it.

Sugar free jelly has hardly any calories. It's minging but ok once used to it.

Lastly and most importantly I got a wii fit, I did as much exercise as I could at work and did the wii fit every day. I also tracked my calories with myfitnesspal. I would look at the calories of each thing before I ate it and decide if it was worth the x amount of minutes on the wii fit.

I stopped snacking at night and don't eat after my evening meal. At first I felt hungry but I ignored it and went to bed and oddly wasn't hungry when I woke up so it was just habit.

Good luck :)
 
When I was super fit and before I started smoking again, my resting heart rate was 40. I've always had low blood pressure too. My maximum heart rate was about 190 thou, so had a big range :)

Must get fit again ......
 
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