skinnydipper
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XL Bullies not banned in Scotland
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Jenko109
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Saw this on FB. Annoyingly the name is covered so I couldn't make myself sick reading the comments.
I wonder what the actual story is here.
I wonder what the actual story is here.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Well that's certainly not an Old English Bulldog for a start.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
My word, that taller dog has no hind angulation at all.
photo_jo
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Like a halter bred quarter horse!
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
Like I said, police have no training on type, but I reckon I'd be safe putting a tenner on neither being xl or xl types.
bonny
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You still wouldnt meet to meet them on a dark night though?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Can you elaborate? What makes them not XL/pitbull type?
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Orrrr there's something else to it....
Chucho
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The smaller could be an Olde English Bulldogge - which is an American breed of bulldog. They say the other is an American bulldog: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/american-bulldog/ It looks like one. I'm not sure how they're related or not to pibbles.
ETA: a quick google suggests that ABs are bigger than APBTs and don't have terrier in the their breeding. Their taller dog isn't that typey for an AB on that basis. I'd be surprised if ABs are that common in the UK??? But if they are bigger than APBT but structurally not dissimilar then they could be confused with XLB on sight.
ETA: a quick google suggests that ABs are bigger than APBTs and don't have terrier in the their breeding. Their taller dog isn't that typey for an AB on that basis. I'd be surprised if ABs are that common in the UK??? But if they are bigger than APBT but structurally not dissimilar then they could be confused with XLB on sight.
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Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
Because they don’t look the right type. The smaller looks like an American bulldog, the bigger a mastiff type. Rather proves my point about the average police officer being unable to spot one! I don’t think either is an xl. Do you?
Don’t reckon either is an English bulldog, it doesn’t seem to be anything like one of those.
*Disclaimer: I am no expert on breeds.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
I think that these dogs are all of pitbull type, the niceties of any of them being XL or not is just obfuscation. None of them are recognised differentiated "breeds" with properly kept studbooks and breed standards or regulation for conformation or temperament. And all of them appear over and over again on lists of dogs that have attacked and killed. So do huskies and Jack Russells, but as one-offs, not repeat offenders.
Clodagh
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I don’t think they look like xl’s either. I doubt though that the police were so bored they decided to go and take the dogs for the evening. Maybe not the full story?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
american bulldogs are a recognised breed. .
www.akc.org
American Bulldog - Dog Breed Information
Is the American Bulldog the right breed for you? Learn more about the American Bulldog including personality, history, grooming, pictures, videos, and the AKC breed standard.
www.akc.org
Cortez
Tough but Fair
In America.....american bulldogs are a recognised breed. .
American Bulldog - Dog Breed Information
Is the American Bulldog the right breed for you? Learn more about the American Bulldog including personality, history, grooming, pictures, videos, and the AKC breed standard.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
and? There's lots of breeds all over the world that the UK KC don't recognised, doesn't mean they aren't breeds without records/pedigrees/standards?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Yeah, but rather different ones, and I'm afraid I'm not impressed with what happens in America with regards to standards, particularly in dog (and cat) breeding. Also we're not in America.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Yeah, I didn't know that, thanks for informing me.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Mordant sarcasm, eh? Grand, but missing the point. What may be fine in America (murderous temperament) doesn't have any bearing on what is acceptable here. I believe that most people would prefer not to be savaged by dogs.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I've seen a lot of the sort of dog on the left over the years. It was my area's new staffie about ten years ago. I don't think it's an xl type. I remember being trapped in the kids' play area by one because the owner ignored me asking for it to be recalled and Zak was very unhappy.
Interesting that we have different perspectives re what is/what isn't an xl. How on earth are the police supposed to make decisions? As pp, I think there are other things afoot in the case linked.
Interesting that we have different perspectives re what is/what isn't an xl. How on earth are the police supposed to make decisions? As pp, I think there are other things afoot in the case linked.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
see I thought your point was that they weren't a breed, not that they were savage. Not sure our KC is that great either.
Murderous temperament doesn't feature in the breed standard in the US either FWIW.
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Cortez
Tough but Fair
My point, which I'm not getting across very well, is that they are all derivatives of the pitbull - incidentally also banned - and quibbling over whether a dog is xl or not is to my mind not actually all that relevant, although I'm sure that that is what people will be hung up upon.
conniegirl
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A pitbull and all its crosses are banned than now has been broadened specify the XLB.
Those 2 dogs are derivatives of pitbulls so they would have been banned before the XLB was explicitly stated.
Those 2 dogs are derivatives of pitbulls so they would have been banned before the XLB was explicitly stated.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
But I didn’t think the new rules mention crosses and to me, the left one looks like a mastiff, the right could be an English bulldog cross/boxer cross, neither of which are mentioned in the rules. Again, who gets to decide when it’s ‘of type’?
skinnydipper
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skinnydipper
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I had a look for the original post, it was on XL bully local community/Help & Advice but has now been deleted as she is apparently now getting help.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
They don't mean it's a regular bulldog, they mean Olde (Tyme 
) English Bulldog, an offshoot of an existing breed, a la the XL Bully.
) English Bulldog, an offshoot of an existing breed, a la the XL Bully.
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Patterdale
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They look typey enough to me.
Equi
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They don’t look xl or pit type to me (they do look as what they’re described) but why on earth would they have let them have pups. This is why there is so much grey in the bull world. Because these idiots keep breeding random bull types to other bull types and then you have the xl bully as the outcome.
skinnydipper
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Dog charity pauses rescuing American XL Bully dogs in Scotland
The Dogs Trust has paused rescues of XL American Bulldogs in Scotland after the breed was banned in England and Wales.