Clodagh
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Your definition of welcomed is different to mine.
However I do see your point.
XL Bullies not banned in Scotland
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However I do see your point.
JBM
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I’m really not seeing your point
There are many breeds capable of killing people
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Possibly, it's conjecture. But the point is that Golden Retrievers have not been bred for the specific purpose of being strong enough, tenacious enough and inclined to kill things.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Again, a disproportionate number of dog attacks are perpetuated by pitbull type breeds. A really large number.
JBM
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I agree they haven’t at all and yet I still nearly died
The dog was eventually put down as it started to kill little animals then sheep.
Im merely pointing out that this was nothing to do with the dogs breed.
And I think punishing a whole breed for what humans have done isn’t right
Cortez
Tough but Fair
The dogs are not being punished, although owners of out of control dogs - of any breed - should be.I agree they haven’t at all and yet I still nearly died
The dog was eventually put down as it started to kill little animals then sheep.
Im merely pointing out that this was nothing to do with the dogs breed.
And I think punishing a whole breed for what humans have done isn’t right
I'm not sure how you think a five year old being bitten is a good argument for not controlling problematic dogs.
JBM
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I think they are
How many will be put down after the law comes in
The owners have had nothing done to them. I’ve heard no news of restrictions being put on owners
Cortez
Tough but Fair
ALL of the restrictions are on the owners. If any dogs are put down it will be because their owners choose to not comply with the requirements.
JBM
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They’re not allowed to be rehomed so what of the ones in shelters?
Clodagh
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They’ve been failed by owners and breeders already.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
You're really not grasping the salient point are you? The pitbull-type dogs in shelters are there BECAUSE their owners put them there.
JBM
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You’re not really grasping the point that I don’t agree with murder.
If that’s your stance all dogs in shelters should be killed
Jenko109
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You don't have to agree with the ban to understand that our shelters are fit to bursting with dogs and those without questionable breeding or temperament should be the ones to be rehomed.
Absurdly powerful animals, who are bred to fight and kill, have no place being rehomed. Banned or otherwise.
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who is Beverley Cuddy?
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Calling euthanasia murder is quite the leap.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
I'm sorry, but your arguments are quite incoherent. Putting unwanted animals down because there is no one willing to take care of them properly is not "murder".
paddy555
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why are they in shelters in the first place?
a few will be dear old family dogs whose owners have died, are ill, all the normal acceptable reasons.
Some because their owners couldn't cope as the bullies were too risky, worrying etc and they were liable to cause an accidents.
Presumably some because far from their dog being banned all it seems to need is neutering, leading, muzzling and putting on a register etc. So why are those dogs there? no need for them to be. Their owners have caused that. Poor dogs.
I don't agree with murder but I do agree with if you have a dog you have to take the responsibility which is relevant to the breed you chose to have. Not so much for a chi, a h*ll of a lot for a bully (or a GSD, Rottie,Doberman etc etc)
skinnydipper
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JBM
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I’m not asking to change your mind or get you to agree
I’m stating my opinion and I’m thankful that we don’t ban breeds in ireland.
Restrictions should be put on all owners being allowed any dogs
And I don’t agree with murder if you want to call it euthanasia to make it sound prettier is up to the individual
I’m stating my opinion and I’m thankful that we don’t ban breeds in ireland.
Restrictions should be put on all owners being allowed any dogs
And I don’t agree with murder if you want to call it euthanasia to make it sound prettier is up to the individual
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So people who have animals with incurable diseases with no hope of recovery killed to end their suffering are murderers? And I'm presuming you wouldn't have any animal of yours PTS?
JBM
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Obviously a dog in physical pain is different to killing dogs in shelters due to their breeding
Completely wild comparison
TGM
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Since January 2021 XL Bullies have killed more people in the UK than any other breed of dog, what is so hard to understand about that?
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The method is the same.
The dogs don't know anything about the reasoning and nor do they have any concept of death, and I would argue actually both are done to prevent the animal suffering.
The dogs don't know anything about the reasoning and nor do they have any concept of death, and I would argue actually both are done to prevent the animal suffering.
JBM
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And I have stated I’m not trying to change your opinion I’m just stating I don’t agree with it
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It's forum; debate is what happens. If you didn't want to debate or be questioend, you could have held your opinion in silence.
JBM
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I would love to know the statistics of how many of those dogs were trained through fear and taught to be aggressive to “look cool” and “protect” the house
Or chained up, socialised poorly any number of reasons
skinnydipper
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I think it is irresponsible of rescues to rehome dogs who were bred to fight to the death.
Come to think of it, it is also irresponsible to rehome dogs of any breed who will break down a garden fence to get to a passer by.
skinnydipper
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We seem to be going round in ever decreasing circles - genetics.
JBM
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I’ve never said I don’t want to be a questioned I’ve shown studies and shared why I believe what I do but I’m just telling you that I don’t agree with killing dogs and preaching about why you do isn’t going to change my mind
That’s not refusing to take part in a debate
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No one is preaching.
If someone has a horse with health issues and very low market value pts because they don't want it buted up and sold on, is that murder too?
If someone has a horse with health issues and very low market value pts because they don't want it buted up and sold on, is that murder too?