XL Bullies not banned in Scotland

[CorvusCorax]

Euthainised is killing to end suffering. U can't euthanise an animal that's not suffering.
Many breeds of lgd have been bred to fight to the death if needed usually with a wolf or bear. Terriers will fight to the death with a badger or fox. Guard breeds like Shep's dobes rotties or mastiff will sometimes do the same with a person.
U can ban breeds forever and people will just create new ones or breed the existing ones badly.

LGDs have no place in a suburban pet home.

GSD stud name, please? PM if you prefer.

 

[Bellaboo18]

Why aren't XL bullies or their derivatives doing obedience, agility, herding, utility sports, field sports, guide dog work, police work, etc etc.

We are often told that they have all these attributes but they don't seem to be involved in any of these things great number, despite their popularity.

I see your point but have to say, probably because of the people that pick them.

 

[Bellaboo18]

I’m not going to leave my OH because he got a pup from a responsible breeder yogi is our dog now even if I would've preferred a rescue

Oh come off it. It's not just his puppy. You had a say, otherwise I would suggest leaving him!

 

[CorvusCorax]

I’m not going to leave my OH because he got a pup from a responsible breeder yogi is our dog now even if I would've preferred a rescue

Is that the dog where you asked here about its pedigree/posted its lines? Why did you do that, if it doesn't matter/genetics aren't important?

 

[CorvusCorax]

I see your point but have to say, probably because of the people that pick them.

Now would be a great opportunity for a shit hot trainer to get an XL bully and train it and title/certify it in something to prove everyone wrong. Why hasn't someone done that? If they have the aptitude people say they do.

Jo-Rosie Haffenden did bits with her pit, but I'm not aware of any advocates doing the same for bullies.

 

[JBM]

Is that the dog where you asked here about its pedigree/posted its lines? Why did you do that, if it doesn't matter/genetics aren't important?

Because I was curious? I did the same with Judy and I asked friends about a loan cobs breeding
If you don’t ask you don’t learn

 

[CorvusCorax]

Because I was curious? I did the same with Judy and I asked friends about a loan cobs breeding
If you don’t ask you don’t learn

And what did you learn/why is it important to learn about the pedigree behind an animal?

 

[skinnydipper]

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[JBM]

Oh come off it. It's not just his puppy. You had a say, otherwise I would suggest leaving him!

It’s called compromise
He wanted the puppy stage I tried to show him husky’s in rescues but he maintained he wanted a puppy so I agreed on the basis that it was a good breeder and we took all the necessary steps to make our garden safe for a husky
Which is why I just spent 2k on fencing for him and the Doberman which will give a suitable environment for them

 

[Bellaboo18]

Because I was curious? I did the same with Judy and I asked friends about a loan cobs breeding
If you don’t ask you don’t learn

I see CCs point though. You were trying to learn something about the pup, so felt his breeding had an influence on him. I don't think anyone can say it doesn't

You were also very proud of your new pup. Which I understand, so many people stop and ask us what breed our pup is. I love telling them she's from a rescue centre. She's a great advert to 'adopt don't shop' because she's a well socialised, obedient girl.

 

[JBM]

And what did you learn/why is it important to learn about the pedigree behind an animal?

Different diseases that can be inherited what tests should be done and how to check the tests have been done on sires/grandsires
No inbreeding in the lines
Differences between show and working lines
Any behaviour noted in their breed
How long they lived
If it was breeders first litter how he manages his pups

 

[Bellaboo18]

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Edited, I was being a bit catty.

 

[Cortez]

Euthainised is killing to end suffering. U can't euthanise an animal that's not suffering.
Many breeds of lgd have been bred to fight to the death if needed usually with a wolf or bear. Terriers will fight to the death with a badger or fox. Guard breeds like Shep's dobes rotties or mastiff will sometimes do the same with a person.
U can ban breeds forever and people will just create new ones or breed the existing ones badly.

Again, euthanasia means something other than you seem to think it does. There seems to be a general inability to understand the english language going on all over the place. There's also an uncanny amount of second sight around: what the future holds is, as ever, obscure, but if laws were properly enforced and/or abided then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

 

[AmyMay]

I’m not sure on when the uk banned breeds but I know this is your 4th and ireland have never banned a breed
We restrict breeds yes but not banned. My beautiful dobie girl is a restricted breed but she is very much still accepted in ireland

Dog licences and ownership

Rules on owning and control your dogs in Ireland. Includes licensing, microchipping and restrictions for certain breeds.

www.citizensinformation.ie

It is not the UK’s 4th ban. It is the second time legislation has been implemented, and the XL is the 5th dog added to the list.

 

[JBM]

It is not the UK’s 4th ban. It is the second time legislation has been implemented, and the XL is the 5th dog added to the list.

5th banned breed

 

[Cortez]

Different diseases that can be inherited what tests should be done and how to check the tests have been done on sires/grandsires
No inbreeding in the lines
Differences between show and working lines
Any behaviour noted in their breed
How long they lived
If it was breeders first litter how he manages his pups

You are becoming increasingly emotive, irrational, and now add hypocritical and we have the perfect trifecta of poor quality debate. If you are feeling put upon may I suggest not flinging about with the judgmental attitude? There is a massive problem with unwanted dogs, with all kinds of pet animals actually, and purchasing puppies is certainly not going to help that situation.

 

[AmyMay]

5th banned breed

Yes. As per my post.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Different diseases that can be inherited what tests should be done and how to check the tests have been done on sires/grandsires
No inbreeding in the lines
Differences between show and working lines
Any behaviour noted in their breed
How long they lived
If it was breeders first litter how he manages his pups

So you do agree genetics has an impact on behaviour?

So you have a husky, as mentioned, one of the breeds which generally still displays a lot of primal instincts. Surely you also agree that you can't train/love a husky out of wanting to, for example, run, jump, dig, be vocal, you instead accommodate/manage/channel/adapt for these traits?
It's the same for any breed and it looks like a lot of XL bully owners either haven't done their research, don't want to or aren't capable of mitigating for some of their genetic proclivities.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Yes. As per my post.

And mine

 

[Quigleyandme]

Uh no but that’s an incredibly strange question
If you’re going to start with animals are murdered for human consumption I will just bow out of this conversation

Are you arguing that a domestic animal humanely put to sleep at a local veterinary practice or at home is murdered but a bullock that is transported long distances by cattle truck and ship, herded into an abattoir, hanged upside down and has it’s throat cut is not murder? How odd. I‘m not usually combative and leave the more heated debates on here to those much cleverer and better educated than me but I agree with Cortez, you’re not presenting a cohesive argument.

 

[JBM]

Are you arguing that a domestic animal humanely put to sleep at a local veterinary practice or at home is murdered but a bullock that is transported long distances by cattle truck and ship, herded into an abattoir, hanged upside down and has it’s throat cut is not murder? How odd. I‘m not usually combative and leave the more heated debates on here to those much cleverer and better educated than me but I agree with Cortez, you’re not presenting a cohesive argument.

You’re aware that’s not how animals are killed in ireland for meat

https://www.fsai.ie/getmedia/3e9828a1-1179-4383-9e5b-a5ca384f2995/slaughter-of-animal-for-private-consumption-final.pdf?ext=.pdf

 

[JBM]

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So you do agree genetics has an impact on behaviour?

So you have a husky, as mentioned, one of the breeds which generally still displays a lot of primal instincts. Surely you also agree that you can't train/love a husky out of wanting to, for example, run, jump, dig, be vocal, you instead accommodate/manage/channel/adapt for these traits?
It's the same for any breed and it looks like a lot of XL bully owners either haven't done their research, don't want to or aren't capable of mitigating for some of their genetic proclivities.

I agree offspring can get the traits of the parents not that all of one breed are the same

 

[AmyMay]

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I agree offspring can get the traits of the parents not that all of one breed are the same

Yet you commented on another thread that the breed trait of your Samoyed is to……

 

[Quigleyandme]

You’re aware that’s not how animals are killed in ireland for meat

https://www.fsai.ie/getmedia/3e9828a1-1179-4383-9e5b-a5ca384f2995/slaughter-of-animal-for-private-consumption-final.pdf?ext=.pdf

Yup. However many abattoirs in the UK are halal due to the large Muslim population. You wouldn’t know if that joint of beef you bought at Aldi was halal or not.

 

[Cortez]

Yup. However many abattoirs in the UK are halal due to the large Muslim population. You wouldn’t know if that joint of beef you bought at Aldi was halal or not.

That's not how halal slaughter is either, and we also kill according to halal here in Ireland - I have been in an abattoir on halal days. But JBM, you haven't addressed the salient point here: how is putting animals down because there is no one to look after them/unwanted different from, well, putting animals down, but to eat them?

 

[Cinnamontoast]

You’re aware that’s not how animals are killed in ireland for meat

https://www.fsai.ie/getmedia/3e9828a1-1179-4383-9e5b-a5ca384f2995/slaughter-of-animal-for-private-consumption-final.pdf?ext=.pdf

Cutting the throat and draining the blood IS halal or kosher. The animal (in the UK) only has to be lightly stunned (big bone of contention in some areas) This has been the way for many years in England. Many schools have used only halal meat for a long time.

Edited to add: wee bit off topic!

 

[Gloi]

You’re not really grasping the point that I don’t agree with murder.
If that’s your stance all dogs in shelters should be killed

I think a lot more should be, so many get rehomed when unsuitable.

 

[JBM]

Yet you commented on another thread that the breed trait of your Samoyed is to……

Bark?

 

[JBM]

Yup. However many abattoirs in the UK are halal due to the large Muslim population. You wouldn’t know if that joint of beef you bought at Aldi was halal or not.

Well I shop in dunnes in ireland and I use the meat produced by Irish farmers

 

[CorvusCorax]

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I agree offspring can get the traits of the parents not that all of one breed are the same

Not just the parents.