Yet another delightful rider..... not..... when will this end?

[ihatework]

I do think the yellow card thing needs a rethink .
You can get a yellow card for many things that have nothing to do with the horse and I think it would be helpful have a clear separation between things like that and abuse of horse type situations .

Yes, and consistency of application

 

[ester]

Rollkur yellow card in eventing, maybe dressage need to have a chat with them?

FEI Eventing Issues Another Yellow Card for Rollkur

FEI to consider whether hyperflexion should be added to the details shown on its warning card listings pages in future.

horsesport.com

 

[ester]

Slightly amused at the response of the British breeder from the Paris yellow card saying he has the other side of the story and he may or may not share it I’m sure I may or may not be fascinating if he does or doesn’t…

 

[Miss_Millie]

Slightly amused at the response of the British breeder from the Paris yellow card saying he has the other side of the story and he may or may not share it I’m sure I may or may not be fascinating if he does or doesn’t…

Was that the chestnut being ridden in rollkur? The breeder is crazy.

 

[ester]

Yup, he totally needs to be in the conversation all the time apparently. It’s a comment on the horse sport article in the equestrians group

 

[Tiddlypom]

I wonder what the other side of the story is? A reminder of the photos which the breeder took of his horse in the eventing dressage warm up at Paris2024 and which he then proudly posted up, which resulting in the rider getting a yellow card.

 

[cauda equina]

This all sounds grand in principle; let's see how it works in practice

FEI Meeting Sets Unified Vision for the Future of Dressage

While "this vision of what Dressage should embody may seem self-evident", the discipline has moved away from its traditional purpose, to its detriment.

horsesport.com

 

[Parrotperson]

I must've missed this @Tiddlypom

Which horse is this? Why would you be stupid enough to take pictures and then post them?? (Ignoring the fact that it took the posting of them to get the penalty?)

 

[nikicb]

I must've missed this @Tiddlypom

Which horse is this? Why would you be stupid enough to take pictures and then post them?? (Ignoring the fact that it took the posting of them to get the penalty?)

Here you go..... https://eventingnation.com/fei-issues-yellow-card-in-response-to-peta-complaint/

The FEI have issued a yellow card at the 2024 Paris Olympic Games to Brazilian team rider Carlos Parro in response to concerns raised by the animal rights group PETA.

A letter of concern and photographs were sent by PETA which appear to show Carlos hyper-flexing Safira to FEI president Ingmar De Vos on Friday.

“The FEI can confirm receipt of the letter and accompanying photographs from PETA highlighting the concerns about the conduct of Brazilian athlete Carlos Parro. The FEI Officials have issued a yellow warning card as the action of the athlete could have caused unnecessary discomfort to the horse,” The FEI said in a statement.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I must've missed this @Tiddlypom

Which horse is this? Why would you be stupid enough to take pictures and then post them?? (Ignoring the fact that it took the posting of them to get the penalty?)

In addition to what nikicb posted in answer to your query, it is worth mentioning that the breeder who took and published the photos is an HHOer, albeit not one who posts much.

 

[nikicb]

In addition to what nikicb posted in answer to your query, it is worth mentioning that the breeder who took and published the photos is an HHOer, albeit not one who posts much.

So they are - last seen on the forum a couple of weeks before this happened. But as ester says above, all over FB defending the training method.

 

[ester]

It's all fine
cos he bred the horse
the horse is amazing
did I mention he bred the horse
he is very happy its all amazing
he bred the horse.
we should all be very happy that he bred such a great horse.

Is kind of how it went.

 

[JenJ]

It's all fine
cos he bred the horse
the horse is amazing
did I mention he bred the horse
he is very happy its all amazing
he bred the horse.
we should all be very happy that he bred such a great horse.

Is kind of how it went.

Just to be clear in case I've misunderstood - he bred the horse?

 

[nikicb]

Sorry slow to the party, but just saw that Andreas Helgstrand has been given an additional three month suspension for his involvement in the Carina Cassoe Kruth whipping video from DRF activities, effective 3 October 2024. This means that he can compete again as of 3 January 2025. He has also been fined DKK 5,000.

DRF Appeals Committee Gives Additional Suspension to Andreas Helgstrand

The DRF Appeal Committee has given Andreas Helgstrand an additional suspension for his involvement in the Carina Cassoe Kruth whipping video.

eurodressage.com

 

[ester]

Re. andrew there doesn't seem to be much to report other than the FEI told Allie they hadn't received her complaint. . . then they later said that they had which fills with confidence.


USEF aren't implementing the rule change which clarifies that they can sanction things that happen not at USEF shows until 1st December

 

[Jenko109]

Can someone explain rollkur to me please?

As in, what is the point and purpose of doing it?

It isn't how you want the horse to go in the arena, so what is the purpose of making your horse work like it in the warm up??

 

[ester]

because it then goes all flashy when allowed some more bodily freedom in the arena.

 

[shortstuff99]

Can someone explain rollkur to me please?

As in, what is the point and purpose of doing it?

It isn't how you want the horse to go in the arena, so what is the purpose of making your horse work like it in the warm up??

It was for "submission" originally. Made famous by Bonfire who was so hot to ride that Rolkur was the only way to make him submit to ride (apparently).

 

[shortstuff99]

 

[nikicb]

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People don’t like what they are seeing, so we’ll just make sure people can’t see it anymore. They clearly have not read the room. Unbelievable!

 

[misst]

People don’t like what they are seeing, so we’ll just make sure people can’t see it anymore. They clearly have not read the room. Unbelievable!

Absolutely!

 

[ester]

There was a period of time where the FEI was limiting recording/photos/access of warm ups, I thought we'd got past that

 

[ramsaybailey]

Both the andrew/fei post and Danish dressage post make me feel so sad

 

[ester]

FEI Releases New Equine Online Reporting Hub + Other Welfare Measures, but What of the Inquiries They Already Have? - Eventing Nation - Three-Day Eventing News, Results, Videos, and Commentary

The FEI, at its annual General Assembly in Abu Dhabi, recently unveiled significant updates to its Equine Welfare Strategy Action Plan, focusing on safeguarding the well-being of equine athletes across all disciplines. A quick summary of

eventingnation.com

What’s starkly missing from the welfare discussion, however, is a clear and transparent operating procedure for how reports are handled, nor is there an answer to the status of the cases currently open for investigation under this category. A review of public case records with the FEI reveals no open investigation associated with a suspension against riders like Andrew McConnon, who came under fire several weeks ago after videos surfaced of an individual alleged to be Andrew severely abusing two different horses. There is currently an Open Investigation of a dressage rider listed in the Case Status Tables, however, which raises more questions as to the investigation of riders like Andrew, which the FEI has confirmed is an ongoing one but has also confirmed is not currently associated with a suspension.

EN has subsequently followed up with the applicable governing bodies in the weeks since our initial story about Andrew and incident reporting as a whole. We’ve received little to no response, with the FEI continuing to decline to comment on an active investigation as well as declining to answer our questions regarding how incident reports are handled and what time frame can be anticipated.

The most we have been able to obtain from the FEI in terms of updates is the following quote, received on November 22, 2024:

“Andrew Mc Connon is currently not suspended by the FEI, which is why he is not listed on the Case Status Tables. The FEI is still investigating the matter and can therefore not provide any further information or comments at this point in time.”

The USEA, which had indicated that it could have the power to suspend a member, but confirmed it did not have a precedent to follow in this case, has also made no definitive moves in this specific instance, citing the fact that they were still awaiting further information from USEF and the FEI regarding the investigation. US Equestrian had previously denied the issue jurisdiction, due to the incident not occurring at a USEF-licensed competition (this rule is set to expand to allow incident reports for things that occur on private property, but is effective from December 1, 2024 only).

These interactions leave stakeholders and observers feeling left in the dark. As we stated before, it’s a larger problem than one person, one video, one comment — these incidents are all symptomatic of a system that fails at many turns to protect its most valuable members: the horses. When not all cases are treated with equal expediency, when there is a clear lack of transparency in how reports are handled and passed up the chain, it becomes easy to lose trust.

We don’t have the perfect solution, and while we appreciate that more initiatives are being set out for equine welfare, we nonetheless implore our governing bodies to show, through actions, that they are safeguarding our horses. We implore them — and the stakeholders who also have a voice — to realize that what the current process is is simply not sufficient. We worry that the reporting floodgates will open at the end of the year, with little improvement to processes and transparencies.

We will continue to follow up on the investigations that are active and will also lobby for a greater level of transparency when it comes to reporting and open investigations, and will provide updates here on EN as they are made available to us.