Yet another delightful rider..... not..... when will this end?

Janique said:
Ok but what's the piece of metal nearly touching his tongue ?

Maybe, i am wrong but it looks like holding the tongue down ?
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It isn't - look at the right rein, it's the offside bit shank at a different angle (identical shape to the near side) on the outside of the mouth looking like it is pressing on the tongue
 
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Janique said:
Ok but what's the piece of metal nearly touching his tongue ?

Maybe, i am wrong but it looks like holding the tongue down ?
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Now I don't know what it is really, but if its not a double bit arrangement could it be a tongue layer

Cause the horse is making a fair attempt at getting its tongue over the bit
The more visible bit piece is a snaffle bradoon thing
 
tristars said:
Now I don't know what it is really, but if its not a double bit arrangement could it be a tongue layer

Cause the horse is making a fair attempt at getting its tongue over the bit
The more visible bit piece is a snaffle bradoon thing
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why wouldn't it be a double bit arrangement, when all cavalry horses wear the same thing! They don't wear any sort of 'tongue layer'
 
ester said:
its just a bradoon and weymouth. . .

I'm sure they'd like to know their leatherwork is shoddy too.
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You see those wrinkles on the cheek pieces they are sign of lower grade leather,

If you are sure they would like to know please contact them

Many bits can have a tongue layer, some are bespoke

Nowhere did say it was, purely speculating

As the owner of two saddlery shops I do have a small experience

And everyone knows they use a double bridle with a bradoon and Weymouth cos that's what a double bridle is for

So bored.....nite nite
 
Janique said:
This photo was posted by Riverside Farm Stables, they are active in horses welfare.

It's taken from the King's horse court. I have never seen anything this bad tbh 🤬
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The shanks either side of the mouth swivel independently, so I'm guessing the rider has taken up the left rein to ask the horse to bring it's head back around to the front, causing the shank closest to us to swivel back.
The shank on the right side is not being acted upon by the rein, so is just sitting.

Here, I drew over the image if that helps visualize it:
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smolmaus said:
We all are already. That's just how society works. We are judged by our actions, sometimes our opinions, and nobody is owed forgiveness. Forgiveness is given.

She isn't a run of the mill horse person who has whacked a horse in a moment of fear or temper, I'll freely admit to having done that. If anybody judges me for it, they can't be harder on me than I was on myself, but they are fully entitled to have that affect their opinion of me forever. I'm not earning money from sponsorships though, which inherently comes with a certain status and influence. I'm not coaching. I'm not representing my country or being held up as a role model so it is different and the standard for behaviour has to be higher.
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This exactly! Well said.

Slightly off topic, but your post made me want to articulate my concern! I’ve recently started to think how are big equestrian brands able to sponsor huge equine events and also sponsor some of the riders who participate? How is that fair…. For example I won’t name the brand but they sponsor riders, and influences who model their clothes, the horses wear their gear, it’s all over the internet looking really glossy and lovely (I love shopping the brands) but then their sponsored riders go into a show / dressage / showjumping ring which is sponsored by their sponsor…. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with it.

Also these brands sponsor famous owners who then gift their horses to the likes of CDJ to compete, so although the brand is not publicly supporting CDJ they definitely are and it’s there for us all to see…. It’s a mirky world…
 
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Nasicus said:
The shanks either side of the mouth swivel independently, so I'm guessing the rider has taken up the left rein to ask the horse to bring it's head back around to the front, causing the shank closest to us to swivel back.
The shank on the right side is not being acted upon by the rein, so is just sitting.

Here, I drew over the image if that helps visualize it:
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Thanks for the effort! An awful lot of speculating going on with absolutely no evidence when there’s a ruddy great photo of what every single cavalry horse wears, they don’t do individual 😅

Im not sure they swivel or if it’s just got wonky though pulling the left rein only as that would make the curb action different
 
Yes there are civilian versions but they look quite different when I was cruising last night so I wasn't sure equivalent. (Some were listed as bambury too) and it struck me as poss a bit weird that the officer version (portmouth) didn't rotate and the standard version did. Need a cavalry person 🤣
 
Beausmate said:
Lotta money, that rough
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Hope you don't mind me just saying i was commenting on the cheeks of the bridle, not the headcollar

Nowhere did I say it was rough or shoddy,

I said it looks like a lower grade leather, which has a soft less dense structure, almost spongy which tends to wrinkle and sometimes goes a bit woolly on the underneath

Whereas high grade leather gives a smooth dense appearance on the surface and on the underneath

I would not be happy with the edges of the headcollar on the cheek area next to the teeth

Now this is just an opinion
 
IMHO it's an unfortunate moment in time where a relaxed horse has turned his head to look at something and the rider has picked up the wrong rein to correct his head position. But I suppose that doesn't give the narrative the animal rights people want to project does it?

Are the cavalry bridles made to measure? there isn't multiple holes for adjustment on the cheek pieces.

@tristars interesting you point out the wrinkled leather - I always assumed this was a result of well used flexible/well oiled leather.

The placing of the brass on the headcollar part isn't the best (IMHO) with it sitting near the teeth and under the cheek piece.
 
Although that bit appears to move the shank, swivel, not sure if it moves up and down like a normal weymouth non fixed

My grandfathers lot used the military pelham with the movement between mouth piece and shank, slightly up and down, but not swiveling individual shanks it had a low port for the tongue, and seemed quite a decent bit to use , not too harsh but there if needed with a curb chain

His lot was Kings troup

He had a beautiful display of militaria , always kept highly polished, my mom sold it mores the pity, I often looked at his lace up riding gaiters in the cupboard with fascination
 
ester said:
I also presumed it was likely fairly old/well used.
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What do you think about where it is positioned, too high, too low too tight

We don't ride normally with a hc, and are careful about where to cheek pieces , noseband sit

Not being long distance trekking etc
 
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