Angry, disgusted, devestated...trust no one!!!

[Fellewell]

Only if you are old enough to have grandfather rights actually

And why should she need transport available at all times because she is livery yard owner??

C1.......actually. If the OP has a lorry she may as well drive it.

You must ride your horse everywhere, how eco-friendly, well done you

 

[julie111]

I hope she soon gets better, I would be inclined to think there could be an underlying condition that has pulled her down. Is the vet doing any tests?

 

[Fellewell]

Not when I'm only 23. I'm currently arranging to go through my HGV so it will be sorted. Its annoying as I can drive it, but just not legally! However if I knew she was in such a bad way I'd have risked the trip to go and get her!

LGV on your licence would be a good investment I'd say. Good Luck.

 

[silvershoes]

C1.......actually. If the OP has a lorry she may as well drive it.

You must ride your horse everywhere, how eco-friendly, well done you

I may as well but not legally! I'm 23 so grandfather rights dont apply to me. It does cost quite a lot to go through a HGV, and by the looks of things it will be a while yet with all the vets bills heading my way.

This post has nothing to do with whether I can drive a lorry or not anyway, I have someone who can drive us in the meantime so its irrelevant.

 

[Elsiecat]

Why's this become a discussion regarding licenses?
I'm not responding to any comment aimed at me as I really didn't intend to draw any attention away from the mare and I did go on to justify what I meant.
How is she OP?

 

[Fellewell]

Yeah if it was 5mins down the road I would be there every day, but when its 500 miles its slightly different. I left December, thats when I last saw her. Then we had all the snow so we werent able to go, plus neither of us drive the lorry so we had to wait for our friend to be available and have the time off work.

So believe me if I had a sooner opportunity to go we would of. But thanks for sending my guilt trip on an even bigger trip.

The lorry was entirely relevant in this post. Just being practical.

 

[silvershoes]

Why's this become a discussion regarding licenses?
I'm not responding to any comment aimed at me as I really didn't intend to draw any attention away from the mare and I did go on to justify what I meant.
How is she OP?

Exactly what I was thinking!

Haven't heard anything yet so I'm hoping no news is good news. Vet is due out today so just waiting to hear. I'm at work and OH is at home taking the phone calls and updating me so its just a waiting game unfortunately got everything crossed for her, I know she'll be exhausted but she's a fighter, just hope she hasn't given up already

 

[Elsiecat]

No, as you say, no news is usually good news. Could you not get a train to her or something?

 

[silvershoes]

The lorry was entirely relevant in this post. Just being practical.

So was the YOs ability to care for an animal under their roof. Being practical would have been informing the horses owner of her condition.

 

[silvershoes]

No, as you say, no news is usually good news. Could you not get a train to her or something?

I could drive, get the train, swim, run, walk if I could! But having to pay for her bedding, feed, medication plus having vets bills on the way things are tight. I run a livery yard here so have to think that £100 petrol could be £100 worth of haylage or feed for the horses we have here. I know people are saying if it was their horse they would drop everything and go but if it was so simple as that I would have gone by now

 

[zigzag]

Sounds as if she prob needed her feet doing just before owner left her... six weeks to have all four shoes off, sounds like they needed doing before she left.. also just because the field was ankle deep in grass, it has no nutritional value at that time of year really, I would have been feeding hay (or offering it) in November. Feel there is fault on both sides, some with owner, mainly with YO

 

[silvershoes]

Her feet were done not long before she went out but obviously the mud pulled them off.

 

[Elsiecat]

You've misinterpreted me, I wasn't suggested you roller blade there down the m6, I was just asking if you could go. I know I'd be devastated if I didn't get to say goodbye and I was just wondering if it was possible for you to visit just incase something was to happen.

 

[1stclassalan]

I've heard of a guy taking all the money sent to pay a mortgage straight down to a casino and losing it all - then trying to sell the house and steal the money but watching a horse you are supposed to be looking after is a new one!

While my mare was still owner by a school and was used as a school mistress, I walked out to the hallowed arena surface and promised her rider that if he hit her again, I would pull him down and beat him to a pulp. I did this for a horse I had no connection with other than I could see it being abused - I'm having a hard job containing my anger just reading the O.P.

I can't believe some of the posts on here blaming the owner! Fair minded people DO NOT suspect their friendly livery yard owner who is being PAID to look after said mare to fail so miserably in the first duty and compound the failings by false reports.

On yards where I've been - the owner has looked after horses abandoned by liveries for months before offering them for sale and personally attended grooming etc., I have helped any number of horses over the years and can't believe what I'm reading!

 

[Chestnuttymare]

I've heard of a guy taking all the money sent to pay a mortgage straight down to a casino and losing it all - then trying to sell the house and steal the money but watching a horse you are supposed to be looking after is a new one!

While my mare was still owner by a school and was used as a school mistress, I walked out to the hallowed arena surface and promised her rider that if he hit her again, I would pull him down and beat him to a pulp. I did this for a horse I had no connection with other than I could see it being abused - I'm having a hard job containing my anger just reading the O.P.

I can't believe some of the posts on here blaming the owner! Fair minded people DO NOT suspect their friendly livery yard owner who is being PAID to look after said mare to fail so miserably in the first duty and compound the failings by false reports.

On yards where I've been - the owner has looked after horses abandoned by liveries for months before offering them for sale and personally attended grooming etc., I have helped any number of horses over the years and can't believe what I'm reading!

^^^^^this. If i had left a horse with a friend and was also paying for it to be looked after, i wouldn't have been worried, especially if i was getting regular updates to say she is doing ok. OP is having a hard enough time with this i am sure. I don't think she is to blame, i think the 'friend' who was paid to care for the mare failed her miserably! The main thing now is that the wee horse gets well.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Look at it in a different light and then consider the answer.

If the OP had been too ill to care for the mare and had placed the horse in the hands of a friend who was both paid and trusted to care for the horse would so many of you being blaming the OP for the situation ?

Of course not, we would all be wishing the OP a speedy recovery and hoping she can enjoy her horse again.

Regardless of the reason, be it a long distance move, illness, work commitments etc, the OP paid and trusted a friend to care for the horse.

I hope the horse recovers OP, and if I had been in your situation and my horse had ended up like that I would have knocked the friends teeth down her throat !

This absolutely.

If the 'friend' had had anything about them as a livery yard owner, the weight loss would have been noticed, and the call made to suggest the horse is needing something a little bit extra, thus financial renumeration would have been agreed upon as well.

The fault lies with the YO/'friend' in my book. You paid for a service, if they had been doing the job correctly, then they would have seen issues early on, and it would have been dealt with.

When I had liveries, if I saw problems, I told the owners, it was then dealt with. Certainly NOT ignored and swept under the carpet!

Don't blame yourself OP, I would certainly be looking for legal advice....

 

[HorsesHavingFun]

How awful

 

[ellie11987]

How awful and disgusting

my thoughts go with you and your mare. Hope she makes a full recovery x

 

[patchwork puzzle]

I would also like to add that I don't think it is your fault at all OP.
Just as others have said, you paid a livery yard owner to care for your horse, you had arranged that she were to make sure she was ok and to make sure she had hay etc, and to top it off, the YO was also your friend. It is awful that this person was reporting to you that your mare was fine, when she very obviously either hadn't checked or didn't care. To be quite honest, even if the situation had been different, and the YO hadn't specifically been asked to care for the horse, why on earth was she saying she was ok, it is a blatant lie. If somebody asked me how their horse was doing (for whatever reason) I wouldn't just say 'Oh she looks fine', if I hadn't checked!
I feel disgusted at this person and in my mind you have nothing at all to feel guilty of.
I really hope your little mare pulls through.

 

[Elsiecat]

Has anyone heard anything? Been a while now

 

[cheeryplatypus]

Poor you and poor mare.
I'd be livid. You at least should have been told she was having problems.
Hope she pulls through.

 

[Twinkley Lights]

This absolutely.

If the 'friend' had had anything about them as a livery yard owner, the weight loss would have been noticed, and the call made to suggest the horse is needing something a little bit extra, thus financial renumeration would have been agreed upon as well.

The fault lies with the YO/'friend' in my book. You paid for a service, if they had been doing the job correctly, then they would have seen issues early on, and it would have been dealt with.

When I had liveries, if I saw problems, I told the owners, it was then dealt with. Certainly NOT ignored and swept under the carpet!

Don't blame yourself OP, I would certainly be looking for legal advice....

This^^^ good luck with your little mare op bless her and everything crossed that she pulls thu. I had a similar situation when I moved and had to leave my boy for a month which nearly killed me. He sent me picture messages by text clever boy and arrived in fantastic condition , shampooed and clipped and happy - so sad all yard owners are not like my old one

 

[Equilibrium Ireland]

OP I'm very sorry for what's happened to your mare. As far as hay being put out it probably wasn't enough and not of good quality.

As far as naysayers, you do know there's actually people in the world that are in full time care not from the owner. I have a gelding here that the owner has seen twice. Her Neice lives next door and has seen him twice. I send pictures and talk to the owner. I do exactly what I get paid for. She trusts me and I would never take money for the care of a horse and not do as such. First and foremost I care about them too much. People do this all over the world everyday. Pay for the care of horses and don't see them often. It's not crazy. You pay for services and expect people to do the right thing.

My husband and I looked around at a few places last year for the horses so we could go back to the States and make the money faster to get them home. Sadly I just plain out refused as I really found no one I could possibly trust. As I said to my husband we'd be paying people to neglect our horses. Them chucked out in a muddy field probably with no rugs and very little to eat while telling me on the phone all is well. The only time we'd know of issues is when it was time to do paperwork for shipping. So I decided its better to stay longer. I will not trust people with my horses. I don't care how jaded that is. I sent one away for jumper training and went to see her everyday. I even packed meals for her a few days at a time. She was losing weight and I was upping feed. Funny how when I showed up at feeding one morning all the other horses had my mare's food. Obviously things didn't end well. People suck.

Don't beat yourself up OP. People really do suck. I don't know why people do this but it does not make you a bad owner. You were paying for a service and got screwed. Unfortunately your horse ended up the victim. Hugs to you.

Terri

 

[Reacher]

I hope your mare makes a full recovery - please keep us update as to her progress

 

[silvershoes]

Update for you all.

Unfortunately she has fought her last battle and has had to be PTS. She had a reaction to all the drugs she has had and was no longer able to fight. I feel totally empty inside and wish I could have done more and especially been there for her during her last hours. RIP and sleep tight my gorgeous little Silver Shoes xxxxx

 

[Ouch05]

Am I missing something as I only read through the first 3 pages but you owe the YO 3 months livery. So actually you were not paying some one to look after your horse but left your horse there with no forward payment.

Yes wrong of the YO to not give more hay, very wrong of you for not going to see her and yes we have had snow but not solid for 3 months. I managed to get from Lincoln to Plymouth to Kent and back over Christmas break.

That said I hope you mare is OK

 

[Elsiecat]

I had a feeling when we hadn't heard in so long poor girl x

 

[lme]

OP, I think you have a right to Be upset. My old mare is on full grass livery. When she started to lose condition this winter (she was out 24 x 7 with haylage & daily hard feed) my yard owner told me that she wasn't coping & needed to come in. We worked out a plan B & my mare is now picking up. I don't get to the yard every day & trust my yard owner to tell me if anything is wrong, as yours should have done.

 

[silvershoes]

Am I missing something as I only read through the first 3 pages but you owe the YO 3 months livery

You obviously read wrong as we owed her 1 month. It was agreed the bill would be paid in full when we collected them. Anyway its totally irrelevant now as she has lost her battle and has been PTS. Disgusting what people can do over meaningless money.

 

[Caol Ila]

Very sorry to hear that. Poor mare and poor you. RIP little mare.