Another fatal dog attack

[inandout]

I dont know if they r neutered or not xls were/are still selling as per pets4homes statement. The ban wont change that just how they name them or what they breed them with. All the xl colours will start appearing in other breeds soon.

 

[AmyMay]

I dont know if they r neutered or not xls were/are still selling as per pets4homes statement. The ban wont change that just how they name them or what they breed them with. All the xl colours will start appearing in other breeds soon.

What statement did pets4homes make? Where can I read it?

 

[Cortez]

I dont know if they r neutered or not xls were/are still selling as per pets4homes statement. The ban wont change that just how they name them or what they breed them with. All the xl colours will start appearing in other breeds soon.

“All the xl colours” came from other breeds, what are you talking about?

 

[AmyMay]

What statement did pets4homes make? Where can I read it?

This statement?

Important announcement: changes to American Bully XL adverts on Pets4Homes | Pets4Homes

We've got some news to share with you regarding American Bully XL dogs. Starting January 1, 2024, the UK government will be implementing a ban on this breed.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

 

[rabatsa]

This statement?

Important announcement: changes to American Bully XL adverts on Pets4Homes | Pets4Homes

We've got some news to share with you regarding American Bully XL dogs. Starting January 1, 2024, the UK government will be implementing a ban on this breed.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

That statement is pretty simple to me.

You cannot buy, sell, use at stud or advertise the dogs.

If you want more information the links are provided for you to follow.

 

[maisie06]

This statement?

Important announcement: changes to American Bully XL adverts on Pets4Homes | Pets4Homes

We've got some news to share with you regarding American Bully XL dogs. Starting January 1, 2024, the UK government will be implementing a ban on this breed.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

I have just perused pets4homes and there is an amazing amount of "micro " bullies now advertised, with large looking dams and sires if you check the photos....

 

[rabatsa]

I have just perused pets4homes and there is an amazing amount of "micro " bullies now advertised, with large looking dams and sires if you check the photos....

Sounds a lot like micro pigs

 

[inandout]

The case against the XL Bully ban

The ban on American XL Bully dogs will come into force. It is based on bad science and other dogs could be banned.

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Gloi]

The case against the XL Bully ban

The ban on American XL Bully dogs will come into force. It is based on bad science and other dogs could be banned.

www.spectator.co.uk

You don't have to post this in multiple threads

 

[inandout]

Judicial review hearing granted over XL bully ban

From Sunday it is illegal to rehome, sell or transfer ownership of the dogs in England and Wales

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cortez]

Judicial review hearing granted over XL bully ban

From Sunday it is illegal to rehome, sell or transfer ownership of the dogs in England and Wales

www.theguardian.com

Already read it, thanks…..

 

[AmyMay]

Judicial review hearing granted over XL bully ban

From Sunday it is illegal to rehome, sell or transfer ownership of the dogs in England and Wales

www.theguardian.com

My take away from this is…..

“The RSPCA said a number of animals were not in a position to be rehomed by the deadline “due to behavioural or medical reasons”, and staff were facing the “heartbreaking” prospect of seeing them euthanised.

 

[Cortez]

My take away from this is…..

My takeaway is that the regulations stay in place while they look into other possible measures such as licensing and owner training instead of an outright ban. Can’t see anything wrong with that.

 

[AmyMay]

My takeaway is that the regulations stay in place while they look into other possible measures such as licensing and owner training instead of an outright ban. Can’t see anything wrong with that.

And that too.

 

[fankino04]

Whilst I don't agree with BSL the problem is we are now in a situation through irresponsible breeding and in some cases ownership where we have a large number of dogs with unknown pedigrees / genetics that are capable of killing people, many of these dogs that have attacked people have been lovely family pets until they suddenly weren't, I can only assume that the change in those dogs was due to genetic traits and we can't now put the genie back in the bottle so other than legislating against breeding more of them and muzzling them in public I don't know what can be done about these dogs. I do know we need to learn from this mess and tackle the issue of backyard breeders properly so we aren't in this position later with crossbreeds of other large dogs.

 

[conniegirl]

The point of BSL is to make those dogs less accessible.
It stops further generations ending up as family pets or with those who don’t have a clue on handling big, unpredictable and potentially aggressive dogs.
It massively reduces the chance of a small child being killed by one in their own home.

Yes they probably will remain the drug dealers dog of choice but like it or not that type are generally capable of handling the dogs (albeit normally not with methods most pet owners would condone).

 

[inandout]

Xls can now be brought cheaply or got for free so r much more accessible.
If the review finds the ban unlawful in January it will be suspended.

 

[Jenko109]

I dont know why you keep saying that.

I regularly look on Pets4Homes. I peruse it roughly every two weeks and have done for years.

There have always been cheap, older XL Bullys on there. They have never been out of reach to someone who wants one.

 

[skinnydipper]

@inandout Do you ever think about the victims?

https://x.com/BullyWatchUK/status/1741453070549041193?s=20

 

[conniegirl]

Xls can now be brought cheaply or got for free so r much more accessible.

Not really because pet homes are much more aware of the problems of the breed and generally unwilling to take on a pet that they will have to jump through a lot of legal red tape for.
Come tomorrow they can’t be advertised or sold legally and most pet owners will not know where to/how to get an illegal one or be willing to break the law.
Equally already less are being bred

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I think this is an utter sh*t show.

 

[Clodagh]

I think this is an utter sh*t show.

It is. And I understand you are more of a fan of these types of dogs than most of us. But you must see we cannot continue with the number of attacks and killings, not just of people but of their pets.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

It is. And I understand you are more of a fan of these types of dogs than most of us. But you must see we cannot continue with the number of attacks and killings, not just of people but of their pets.

I am not a XL Bully or Pit bull fan. I am a fan of some purebred Mastiffs, yes.

I'm also not an idiot (well, in this case ) and absolutely know that you cannot continue with the number of attacks and killings. It's totally stupid that it's even gotten this far!

 

[CanteringCarrot]

The fact that people honestly think that I don't see the problem appalls me. I'm out.

 

[Cortez]

The fact that people honestly think that I don't see the problem appalls me. I'm out.

I don't think that at all. Interested in what you see as a solution.

 

[inandout]

It is. And I understand you are more of a fan of these types of dogs than most of us. But you must see we cannot continue with the number of attacks and killings, not just of people but of their pets.

@inandout Do you ever think about the victims?

https://x.com/BullyWatchUK/status/1741453070549041193?s=20

My point is its not going to work. It might change the dog that kills someone or it might let the police prosecute the owner for owning a banned breed as well as a dangerously out of control dog but it wont stop deaths. Ive already established i dont own the breeds and if i did it wudnt matter to me anyway. If I didnt care about deaths I;d not bother opposing it as I wud simply observe it to its inevitable unpleasent concusion.

 

[ycbm]

My point is its not going to work. It might change the dog that kills someone or it might let the police prosecute the owner for owning a banned breed as well as a dangerously out of control dog but it wont stop deaths. Ive already established i dont own the breeds and if i did it wudnt matter to me anyway. If I didnt care about deaths I;d not bother opposing it as I wud simply observe it to its inevitable unpleasent concusion.

The ban has already removed most of the bully dogs from the popular walks I do. I'll make a bet with you that in 10 years time the proportion of people and animals attacked and killed by bully breed dogs will have reduced and that no single other breed will show such a huge disparity between numbers owned and numbers attacking.

That may only be because the people who then own them are as tough and hard as the dogs themselves, like the pitbull market, but I'll settle for that.

The difference between these and other "come on if your hard enough" dogs that people want to own is that they haven't been sold in large numbers to people who believe they are going to make lovely fur babies while also, in the UK, being deliberately bred for combined aggression and bite strength.
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[Cortez]

My point is its not going to work. It might change the dog that kills someone or it might let the police prosecute the owner for owning a banned breed as well as a dangerously out of control dog but it wont stop deaths. Ive already established i dont own the breeds and if i did it wudnt matter to me anyway. If I didnt care about deaths I;d not bother opposing it as I wud simply observe it to its inevitable unpleasent concusion.

Your point is pure speculation. Nobody knows what will happen in the future; psychic abilities are unproven at best. It remains to be seen if the measures now in place will have an effect, but it stands to reason that imposing some controls is preferable to allowing proven dangerous dogs to continue to run around biting people and attacking other dogs. You appear to have a spectacular ability for not grasping any points other than your own (and even that appears tenuous).

Logically, curbing the dog that is responsible for most of the deaths will reduce the total number of deaths caused by dog attack overall. It cannot mean that all the other dogs will then step up and start killing people in their place, because even other so-called “tough” dogs are less inclined to, and less capable of, inflicting the injuries that pit bull types are. I understand your point, that the people who currently own bullies will go out and get, say ovcharkas or Caucasian shepherd dogs, Bullmastiffs, whatever, perhaps they will - I doubt it, personally; they are much more work to keep and less amenable than the bullies.

 

[splashgirl45]

Your point is pure speculation. Nobody knows what will happen in the future; psychic abilities are unproven at best. It remains to be seen if the measures now in place will have an effect, but it stands to reason that imposing some controls is preferable to allowing proven dangerous dogs to continue to run around biting people and attacking other dogs. You appear to have a spectacular ability for not grasping any points other than your own (and even that appears tenuous).

Logically, curbing the dog that is responsible for most of the deaths will reduce the total number of deaths caused by dog attack overall. It cannot mean that all the other dogs will then step up and start killing people in their place, because even other so-called “tough” dogs are less inclined to, and less capable of, inflicting the injuries that pit bull types are. I understand your point, that the people who currently own bullies will go out and get, say ovcharkas or Caucasian shepherd dogs, Bullmastiffs, whatever, perhaps they will - I doubt it, personally; they are much more work to keep and less amenable than the bullies.

It also seems that the dogs are not only owned by aggressive people but idiots who put their elderly relatives and their children at risk. Don’t know the numbers but there seem to have been a fair number attacking their owners and their families, now do we blame the families for trusting them or is it a faulty gene in the dogs as so many of them seem to have been lovable gentle dogs (until they snap) while I don’t like banning breeds I think it’s necessary in the case of XL bullies but we also need to crack down on breeders of ALL dogs not just the big powerful ones

 

[MurphysMinder]

It seems to me, from the amount of XL bullies dumped in rescues, that the legislation has already helped as it has removed these dogs from irresponsible owners who don't give a damn. Sad the dogs have to lose their lives but there are worse things that could happen to them.