Another fatal dog attack

[Errin Paddywack]

Going back a good few years stray dogs were only given 7 days before being put down. Didn't even give long enough for people to track down their missing dogs. My now BIL and his first wife found a stray dog and handed it in. Ended up rushing to the kennels where strays were kept and adopted him on his last day. These kennels were run by a vet, a renowned greyhound vet. A friend of mine worked there and fell in love with one of the strays but couldn't adopt it. Pleaded for it not to be killed so was made to hold it while it was put down. I don't think she stayed there much longer.
Lots of far more deserving dogs are put down every year but no one kicks up a stink about them.

 

[SilverLinings]

I think that's another hypocrisy with the current outcry about the XLB ban. A lot of the people crying murder and saying muzzle-wearing etc is cruel are only actually concerned about their own dog (or for some the XLB breed), they don't care about wider issues of dog (or other animal) welfare.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

The scene: people, dogs, and other animals have been brutally attacked, and in some cases, killed.

The people: My dog can't possibly wear a muzzle while we're out to prevent this.



Seems legit.
(sarcasm)

 

[SilverLinings]

The scene: people, dogs, and other animals have been brutally attacked, and in some cases, killed.

The people: My dog can't possibly wear a muzzle while we're out to prevent this.



Seems legit.
(sarcasm)

That wins the prize for the best summing up so far, it should probably be put on some sort of public information poster

Although the first line would probably have to be illustrated for some people to really understand the seriousness

 

[Annette4]

The scene: people, dogs, and other animals have been brutally attacked, and in some cases, killed.

The people: My dog can't possibly wear a muzzle while we're out to prevent this.



Seems legit.
(sarcasm)

And yet my dog with high prey drive, reactive (thanks to several 'friendly' dogs) with poor recall has spent the last 4 years on a lead in public with a muzzle on and has a brilliant, fulfilling life including lots of training, sports and fun in freedom fields.

 

[Goldenstar]

I can't remember if anyone has already mentioned this but someone is already having to pts healthy dogs of any breed because there is no room in rescues.

This 100% .

 

[Goldenstar]

There’s a small rescue near here it’s where Bob the cat came from its very sensible rescue.
They where on the local news on New Year’s eve they have an XL bully bitch in they don’t have a huge number of animals she was removed from her her owner who was homeless living in a old car they did say the exact circumstances but she had a sad start .
They had footage of her loose at the rescue in the exercise area playing she looked sweet and friendly but i am sure they are until they are not .
The rescue will keep her for her life she will be ok she is lucky but they had video of her being walked omg how strong they are, the walker was using food to distract her when she pulled wow ,there’s no way you could handle the unexpected happening unless you where large and strong and experienced .
These are strong scary dogs ,potential killers, and yes all dogs are potential killers I know that .

 

[SilverLinings]

There’s a small rescue near here it’s where Bob the cat came from its very sensible rescue.
They where on the local news on New Year’s eve they have an XL bully bitch in they don’t have a huge number of animals she was removed from her her owner who was homeless living in a old car they did say the exact circumstances but she had a sad start .
They had footage of her loose at the rescue in the exercise area playing she looked sweet and friendly but i am sure they are until they are not .
The rescue will keep her for her life she will be ok she is lucky but they had video of her being walked omg how strong they are, the walker was using food to distract her when she pulled wow ,there’s no way you could handle the unexpected happening unless you where large and strong and experienced .
These are strong scary dogs ,potential killers, and yes all dogs are potential killers I know that .

As an adult the only dogs I have had is cocker spaniels, and they are strong enough for me on the odd occasion whilst they're young and in training and one has pulled at the lead. I can't imagine why anyone would want a dog as large as an XLB and not train it properly- the ones in videos online and the few I've seen in public rarely seem to know how to walk on a slack lead and have little to no recall. Larger, calm breeds I can see the attraction of, and breeds that are attentive and trainable, but not these.

I can't ever imagine wanting to own a dog that could both get it's jaws around my head/neck and has a massive bite force either, let alone one that appears to have a propensity to an unstable temperament.

 

[sarah.oxford]

https://fb.watch/pkMee_nCzb/

Channel 5 news last night

 

[splashgirl45]

https://fb.watch/pkMee_nCzb/

Channel 5 news last night

They look like good owners for a 7 stone dog, the woman has trouble walking so can’t hold the dog and the boy would never hold him back if he wanted to attack another dog or person. Even if any of my dogs didn’t like having a muzzle on they wouldn’t growl at anyone so it shows that some of these dogs have a dodgy temperament

 

[sarah.oxford]

My thoughts exactly.
Comments on Facebook differ to mine, as the general opinion seems to be muzzles make them aggressive.
I don't think that is a well fitted muzzle, but it would take more than that to make either of mine growl at a person. In fact I struggle to think of anything that would make mine lunge and growl towards a person (ie they wouldn't).
What is scary is that she's obviously had it off lead playing fetch up to this point.

 

[skinnydipper]

https://fb.watch/pkMee_nCzb/

Channel 5 news last night

He shook his muzzle off and growled at the cameraman.

That would have been me out of there and sod the filming.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Lots of dogs can react badly to cameras, phones etc being wielded at them. It's a dark, odd looking object being held out towards them and in this case, held by a stranger.
But of course a responsible owner would know that, read their dog and not put them or a news crew in that position.

 

[Cortez]

https://fb.watch/pkMee_nCzb/

Channel 5 news last night

Oh for goodness sake! The comments are a delight, it’s the anti-maskers all over again…..

 

[conniegirl]

Lots of dogs can react badly to cameras, phones etc being wielded at them. It's a dark, odd looking object being held out towards them and in this case, held by a stranger.
But of course a responsible owner would know that, read their dog and not put them or a news crew in that position.

They can all react badly but most wouldnt become aggressive at it

 

[CorvusCorax]

They can all react badly but most wouldnt become aggressive at it

I'm not excusing it, I'm pointing out that this person doesn't know their dog.

 

[cauda equina]

I really hate that the new measures are called a 'ban'
People opposed to 'the ban' say it should be about education and responsible ownership
That is what 'the ban' actually is imo, ie keep your dog under control and don't let it bite random strangers or their dogs

I wonder how many post ban domestic maulings there will be but bet they'll be blamed on the ban cos 'he needs his freedom, he was bored/frustrated/whatever'

 

[Gloi]

I hope they learn how to put the muzzle on properly and that 'he got it off' isn't going to start to be an excuse.

 

[CorvusCorax]

It also looks very stiff, the harness doesn't fit either. Just all the things going on.

 

[skinnydipper]

People who don't understand how much damage a dog can do and how quickly they can do it, worry me

 

[CorvusCorax]

People who don't understand how much damage a dog can do and how quickly they can do it, worry me

It's endemic in a lot of dog owners unfortunately to give the benefit of the doubt for even the most very basic of instinctive behaviour, 'oh Fluffy would never'....be that running off/not recalling, going off after wildlife, reacting badly to a person or another dog etc etc, until Fluffy does and then it's a problem.

 

[Nasicus]

It's endemic in a lot of dog owners unfortunately to give the benefit of the doubt for even the most very basic of instinctive behaviour, 'oh Fluffy would never'....be that running off/not recalling, going off after wildlife, reacting badly to a person or another dog etc etc, until Fluffy does and then it's a problem.

The number of people that has said it's such a shame my little gremlin can't go off the lead, and 'I could just try it!' is mind boggling. She's living her best life, sniffing all the smells, leaving peemails, garnering all the attention and admiration she deserves (in her opinion!), all on the lead. Responsibly wielded flexi-lead when we're at an appropriate location, secure dog field hired on occasion, she's living la vida loca.
If I let her off, there's a non-zero chance she's going to bugger off into the sunset. It's just how she is!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Did we all again, notice the 'low drive' dog in the CCTV footage included in the ITV report....

 

[cauda equina]

Show, don't tell!

 

[SilverLinings]

People who don't understand how much damage a dog can do and how quickly they can do it, worry me

I have seen fights between dogs in the past, and a few years ago I was attacked by a friend's rescue dog, but I have to admit that despite that I was still amazed how quickly serious damage was done in the XLB attack I posted about. It hadn't really dawned on me that trying to stop them is almost pointless as they can kill their victim within just a few seconds, there just isn't time for anyone to stop them even if it would be physically possible.

I had realised how potentially dangerous dogs like XLBs can be, but they are such an effective killer (power and knowing where to strike) that all the discussions we've had on AAD about how to stop/pull off an attacking dog are going to be irrelevant in a lot of attacks by dogs of this size and strength. There isn't enough time to act.

 

[Goldenstar]

https://fb.watch/pkMee_nCzb/

Channel 5 news last night

Talk about making the case for muzzling .
I would not know how to choose the correct muzzle but would soon find out .You could put any muzzle on my two no matter how badly fitted all they would do is wear a expression that could be used on a charities next ad campaign and that’s the difference .
I am all for education responsible breeding etc etc however I am don’t think we can sit about waiting for nirvana while people and other dogs get savaged going to the corner shop .
Never has there been a spike like there is with these dogs if it’s dodgy genetics we will get through it .
Waiting to for education to trickle down to people who use a walker that buying a seven stone ball of muscle with a tenancy to extreme aggression is a bad idea seems a bad plan.
I think that journalist was glad when that was over .

 

[skinnydipper]

The people that need to be told what it takes to be a responsible owner shouldn't have a dog.

 

[Goldenstar]

He shook his muzzle off and growled at the cameraman.

That would have been me out of there and sod the filming.

It’s funny however it’s extremely serious as well .
Like a hand grenade all it needs is for circumstance to pull out the pin.

 

[skinnydipper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GC2aekMXoAAXJmv?format=png&name=small

 

[Quigleyandme]

The dog on the VT is entire as well.