Another fatal dog attack

[SilverLinings]

He has already had pocket bullies of his attack other people's dogs, and this XLB escaped from his property to attack the horses, and he makes his living dog breeding and as a 'canine transport business'. Ironically he spoke out against the ban and said it was bad owners not dogs that caused incidents. I really hope he is banned from keeping dogs as he doesn't sound like someone who is going to start behaving responsibly any time soon.

 

[splashgirl45]

Yes he should be banned and prosecuted and have a hefty fine as well. Those poor kids must have been terrified, hope the pony is ok

 

[splashgirl45]

22 XLBs seized, 6 pts due to poor health

Police in Sheffield seize 22 dogs from illegal XL Bully farm

Officers in Sheffield say six of the animals were so unwell they had to be put to sleep.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sadly I think the rest will end up being put down as well, I don’t like bull breeds but no dog deserves to be treated like that, poor dogs, at least they are being looked after for a while …

 

[I'm Dun]

In November last year he said: “The dogs need to be in the right hands. It’s never the dog’s fault. It’s some owners out there.

Quite clearly that isnt true now is it?! What an absolute idiot.

 

[Jenko109]

''We are looking for a new home for our 2 year old bully. We recommend no children in the house for his new home as this is the reason of having to find him a new home, he was great with our older child but since a new baby has come along his behaviour is different and unfortunately can't be in the house around the children.
His name is Sully and HE IS NOT AN XL BULLY, HE IS UNDER 20INCHS. ''

 

[misst]

''We are looking for a new home for our 2 year old bully. We recommend no children in the house for his new home as this is the reason of having to find him a new home, he was great with our older child but since a new baby has come along his behaviour is different and unfortunately can't be in the house around the children.
His name is Sully and HE IS NOT AN XL BULLY, HE IS UNDER 20INCHS. ''

Why can't people just do the right thing. It's sheer cowardice and irresponsibility. Pass the problem on rather than face difficult decisions. Pathetic

 

[SilverLinings]

''We are looking for a new home for our 2 year old bully. We recommend no children in the house for his new home as this is the reason of having to find him a new home, he was great with our older child but since a new baby has come along his behaviour is different and unfortunately can't be in the house around the children.
His name is Sully and HE IS NOT AN XL BULLY, HE IS UNDER 20INCHS. ''

Regardless of whether or not he measures in as an XLB they are irresponsibly trying to rehome a dog that has shown aggression towards a child, is large enough to cause significant damage and is a bull type (so significant bite strength). Whether he is an inch either side of the classification of XLBs how are they going to ensure he is homed with someone who can guarantee preventing him injuring anyone? It would actually be more reassuring if he did measure in as an XLB as at least he would have to wear a muzzle in public.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

22 XLBs seized, 6 pts due to poor health

Police in Sheffield seize 22 dogs from illegal XL Bully farm

Officers in Sheffield say six of the animals were so unwell they had to be put to sleep.

www.bbc.co.uk

So illegal breeding, what idiot thought this was a good idea?!

OH was walking Goose yesterday and as he was going in to the park, coming out was an xl, u muzzled, along with 2 other big dogs. He did a quick turnaround and went to the other entrance. I'm delighted to say I have yet to see any xls in the woods, been a lovely couple of walks in the sunshine the past couple of days.

 

[skinnydipper]

''We are looking for a new home for our 2 year old bully. We recommend no children in the house for his new home as this is the reason of having to find him a new home, he was great with our older child but since a new baby has come along his behaviour is different and unfortunately can't be in the house around the children.
His name is Sully and HE IS NOT AN XL BULLY, HE IS UNDER 20INCHS. ''

He had a list of allergies, could only eat fish. He was for sale for £10, that included all his gear and food for a month.

Ad. now deleted, I assume sold.

I wonder how much attention and exercise he was getting with a child and a new baby in the house and how much of his day was spent in his crate.

I wonder where he is now.

 

[splashgirl45]

He had a list of allergies, could only eat fish. He was for sale for £10, that included all his gear and food for a month.

Ad. now deleted, I assume sold.

I wonder how much attention and exercise he was getting with a child and a new baby in the house and how much of his day was spent in his crate.

I wonder where he is now.

Wonder how long it will be before a child is hurt or has he been bought by someone for fighting, wherever he has gone he is likely not to have a good life and should have been PTS if the family weren’t prepared to work with him.. it’s just easier to get rid , people make me cross !!

 

[Indy]

EWS: South Yorkshire’s first XL Bully case in court
In February 2024, the legislation around owning and keeping an XL Bully dog changed, and owners were required to register, insure, and neuter their animals following an increase in attacks across the country involving the breed.
Ahead of the legislation changes, Dog Legislation Officers engaged with and educated owners across South Yorkshire around the upcoming changes, but we continued and continue to see owners who failed to act and take responsibility.
An owner of an XL Bully in Sheffield who failed to register her dogs has appeared in court.
Kylie Daley, 25, of Chapletown pleaded guilty at a previous hearing to owning two XL Bully Dogs and had failed to register them with Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
Appearing before Sheffield Magistrates’ Court last week (Friday 3 May), the judge ordered that both dogs are put to sleep.
Chief Inspector Emma Cheney, leading the work around dangerous dogs in South Yorkshire said: “Ahead of the legislation changing, owners were given enough time and reminders to register their dogs with DEFRA.
“We issued numerous reminders to owners to act. We are here to ensure the law is followed and unfortunately the destruction of these two dogs is the reality of owners failing to act responsibility.
“The legislation around XL Bullys was brought in following a significant rise in attacks by the breed across the country. It is important to remember that all dogs can cause harm and fear, but dogs of bigger breeds, including the XL Bully have a greater power and drive.
“If you are a dog owner, please remember to act responsibly, know your dog and reduce risks where possible; everyone has a responsibility for our community’s safety.
“If you have concerns about a dog, please get in touch. We will not seize or remove a dog unnecessarily, but we can safeguard vulnerable people, including children living in the property and work with the owner to ensure everyone’s safety.
Read more here- https://orlo.uk/Bm3Ke

 

[SilverLinings]

Hopefully the fact the dogs are having to be destroyed as a result of the owner's recklessness/laziness/obstinacy will point out to some of the similarly-minded people that they aren't above the law.

As the registration service closed on 1st February presumably anyone who didn't register by then will now have their dogs PTS if caught by the police? I wonder how many owners thought it would be possible to register late, or if caught to plead ignorance and register at that point.*

[Withdrawn] Apply for a Certificate of Exemption to keep an XL Bully dog

This service has closed. You can no longer use this GOV.UK service to apply for a Certificate of Exemption to keep XL Bully dogs.

www.gov.uk

*I have just found one reference that says it is up to the court to decide whether you can register your dog late (after being charged by the police), but all the other information says it's not an option, and the registration service appears to be closed, so not sure about this.

Ban on unregistered XL Bully dogs now in force – Defra in the media

Updates from Defra

deframedia.blog.gov.uk

 

[conniegirl]

Hopefully the fact the dogs are having to be destroyed as a result of the owner's recklessness/laziness/obstinacy will point out to some of the similarly-minded people that they aren't above the law.

As the registration service closed on 1st February presumably anyone who didn't register by then will now have their dogs PTS if caught by the police? I wonder how many owners thought it would be possible to register late, or if caught to plead ignorance and register at that point.*

[Withdrawn] Apply for a Certificate of Exemption to keep an XL Bully dog

This service has closed. You can no longer use this GOV.UK service to apply for a Certificate of Exemption to keep XL Bully dogs.

www.gov.uk

*I have just found one reference that says it is up to the court to decide whether you can register your dog late (after being charged by the police), but all the other information says it's not an option, and the registration service appears to be closed, so not sure about this.

Ban on unregistered XL Bully dogs now in force – Defra in the media

Updates from Defra

deframedia.blog.gov.uk

What used to happen with Pit bulls is that if you voluntarily told the police you had a banned dog and want an exemption is that they would come, take the dog, assess it, either release it back to you under strict conditions pending a court date or keep it in kennels pending a court date.

If you could prove the dog was not a danger the court would issue an exemption certificate

 

[skinnydipper]

Police seize puppies and arrest Ringwood man for dangerous dog offences

Police have seized several puppies suspected to be a banned breed and arrested a man for dangerous dog offences in Ringwood.

www.salisburyjournal.co.uk

 

[splashgirl45]

Those poor dogs don’t have a chance with an owner like this. Hope they prosecute him and he at least gets a hefty fine and a ban on keeping any animals sadly I expect the dogs and puppies will be PTS but at least they will have been fed regularly

 

[skinnydipper]

Maltby dog attack: Girl, 6, taken to hospital with head injuries

The girl was "mauled" by the animal while playing unsupervised in the garden, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[skinnydipper]

Girl, 7, taken to hospital after police called to dog attack on Sheffield street

She remains in hospital where she was taken last night with what police described as ‘serious injuries’

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[splashgirl45]

Once again a young child left alone with a dog, doesn’t matter what breed, no children should be left with a dog without supervision… and the one in the street, where was the parent while passers by were controlling the dog and calling the police ? Although I recognise that these type of dogs can kill, it seems that children are left to their own devices so the parents must take some of the blame

 

[SilverLinings]

Both bullies again, although that's (the Maltby one) the first time I've seen a report of a pocket bully causing serious injuries. It's hardly a surprise though as it's unlikely to have a vastly different temperament to an XLB, just the smaller size means it has less opportunity to cause as serious damage.

At least it's a serious lack of judgement by the parents, at worst it's neglect. I do wonder if the families in instances like that get referred to children's services due to safeguarding concerns.

 

[JoannaC]

I met a couple last weekend who have an XL rescue who is now 3 years old. They were spouting the "it's not the dogs it's the people" and "they were bred to be companion dogs" blah blah. I didn't get into it with them but I do hope they are savvy enough not to get hurt as it reaches the age when they appear to flip.

 

[ycbm]

I made the mistake of looking at a dog today to try and work out of it was a bully or not. It turned its piercing blue eyes on me and made a beeline straight at me. Not with any obvious aggression, and the girl holding him reeled him in very sharply. I must not look at dogs, I must not look at dogs, I must not ....

 

[SilverLinings]

I met a couple last weekend who have an XL rescue who is now 3 years old. They were spouting the "it's not the dogs it's the people" and "they were bred to be companion dogs" blah blah. I didn't get into it with them but I do hope they are savvy enough not to get hurt as it reaches the age when they appear to flip.

It's amazing how many people are still spouting that argument. The people don't always help, but it must be something (a lot) to do with the dogs as you don't see any of the FAR more common breeds (e.g. labradors, french bulldogs, dachshunds, spaniels) killing scores of people.

 

[skinnydipper]

They were spouting the "it's not the dogs it's the people" and "they were bred to be companion dogs" blah blah.

I wonder what it is they don't understand

Retrievers retrieve
Herding dogs herd
Dogs bred for fighting will fight.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I made the mistake of looking at a dog today to try and work out of it was a bully or not. It turned its piercing blue eyes on me and made a beeline straight at me. Not with any obvious aggression, and the girl holding him reeled him in very sharply. I must not look at dogs, I must not look at dogs, I must not ....

I train around multiple dogs/people and never look directly at them for any length of time, there's really no need, what the human is doing is more important. There's a woman who always stares in dogs' eyes and holds the contact then wonders why they kick off at her.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Were they not bred as an income stream during lockdown when other income streams dried up?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Both bullies again, although that's (the Maltby one) the first time I've seen a report of a pocket bully causing serious injuries. It's hardly a surprise though as it's unlikely to have a vastly different temperament to an XLB, just the smaller size means it has less opportunity to cause as serious damage.

At least it's a serious lack of judgement by the parents, at worst it's neglect. I do wonder if the families in instances like that get referred to children's services due to safeguarding concerns.

I know someone in Europe with a pocket bully and they said it gets a certain look on its face/its eyes during play and they just have to stop what they are doing and put it outside. The dog has never done anything but they know when to step in.
Both in the couple are incredibly accomplished and competent dog people, working very high drive dogs, ordinary dog owners aren't at all likely to clock the warning signs/be able to de-escalate.

 

[Clodagh]

There was a leggy lightweight staffie type dog sitting on her owners lap at the bar at work the other day. Blue eyes, which always look more intense I think. As someone else who never looks a dog in the eye it was swivelling its head to stare at me and there is no way I would have approached it.
That’s seperate to what you said, ycbm.

 

[skinnydipper]

I made the mistake of looking at a dog today to try and work out of it was a bully or not. It turned its piercing blue eyes on me and made a beeline straight at me. Not with any obvious aggression, and the girl holding him reeled him in very sharply. I must not look at dogs, I must not look at dogs, I must not ....

A stranger staring at a dog could be perceived as a threat, a challenge.

If it was an XL bully there might not be overt signs of aggression.

 

[skinnydipper]

I know someone in Europe with a pocket bully and they said it gets a certain look on its face/its eyes during play and they just have to stop what they are doing and put it outside.

Not that I've had anything to do with them but from what I've seen they don't seem to give much away.

 

[ycbm]

A stranger staring at a dog could be perceived as a threat, a challenge.

If it was an XL bully there might not be overt signs of aggression.

I know it and I trained myself never to do it, but the dog was unmuzzled and over 20 inches and the width of his head and colour screamed "bully" and I forgot for a moment and he clocked me.

I must not look.........
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