Another fatal dog attack

[Petalpoos]

And here's another one. Dogs still on the loose, apparently!

Urgent appeal for missing dogs suspected of fatal 'attack' after man found dead in garden — Sky News

Police have an issued an urgent appeal to find two dogs that may have been involved in a man's death in the West Midlands.

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[CrazyMare]

I have to say, I turn back, turn away or otherwise move away if I see any large bull type on walks now.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

I have to say, I turn back, turn away or otherwise move away if I see any large bull type on walks now.

Same. It's a great big nope from me.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I have to say, I turn back, turn away or otherwise move away if I see any large bull type on walks now.

This, but it also makes me wary of walking along narrow paths with pinch points in case of coming across unruly dogs with nowhere to go to avoid them.

 

[Sanversera]

It's absolutely crazy that dogs can be around in public not on a lead. It should be the law that all dogs need to be leashed with exception for working dogs only whilst they are working. It's also crazy that people are allowed to keep dogs which are unsuitable for them eg in the village there is a frail gentleman with a large dog he couldn't hold if it decided to leap away from him,others have a walk it for him as it got away, it's a powerful rescue doberman that was trained initially as a guard dog abroad. It's madness.

 

[I'm Dun]

Why should my polite, easy going well behaved dogs have to be on a lead 24/7 because other people are idiots and have these badly bred monsters? If that became a thing I would up sticks and move to a country that didn't have that legislation. One of the greatest joys in my life is watching my dogs run free for the sheer love of running.

It's absolutely crazy that dogs can be around in public not on a lead. It should be the law that all dogs need to be leashed with exception for working dogs only whilst they are working. It's also crazy that people are allowed to keep dogs which are unsuitable for them eg in the village there is a frail gentleman with a large dog he couldn't hold if it decided to leap away from him,others have a walk it for him as it got away, it's a powerful rescue doberman that was trained initially as a guard dog abroad. It's madness.

 

[bonny]

It's absolutely crazy that dogs can be around in public not on a lead. It should be the law that all dogs need to be leashed with exception for working dogs only whilst they are working. It's also crazy that people are allowed to keep dogs which are unsuitable for them eg in the village there is a frail gentleman with a large dog he couldn't hold if it decided to leap away from him,others have a walk it for him as it got away, it's a powerful rescue doberman that was trained initially as a guard dog abroad. It's madness.

What do you suggest ? An army of people checking all dogs are on a lead and all dogs are suitable for their owners ?

 

[TheresaW]

Why should my polite, easy going well behaved dogs have to be on a lead 24/7 because other people are idiots and have these badly bred monsters? If that became a thing I would up sticks and move to a country that didn't have that legislation. One of the greatest joys in my life is watching my dogs run free for the sheer love of running.

I agree. I have 3 sibes (Massive prey drive, always on lead in public). Also have a collie, who hates being on lead, but has excellent recall. We tend to walk early doors when no one else about, but I know he’ll come to call when needed.

 

[skinnydipper]

And here's another one. Dogs still on the loose, apparently!

Urgent appeal for missing dogs suspected of fatal 'attack' after man found dead in garden — Sky News

Police have an issued an urgent appeal to find two dogs that may have been involved in a man's death in the West Midlands.

apple.news

From BBC website

The man, aged 33, believed to be looking after his brother's dogs, was found dead in the back garden of a home in Rubery on Wednesday."


They found the victim outside where they seized the two dogs.

Insp Chapman confirmed the dogs had been living at the home where the man had been found but the victim had been living elsewhere.

"He wasn't living at that property," she explained. "The dogs were related to him through family but they weren't his dogs."

 

[Sealine]

I'm sure I read somewhere that an XL Bully must not be left in the care of someone who is not the registered owner. If that's correct the owner has committed an offence leaving the dogs with his brother.

 

[Smitty]

I'm sure I read somewhere that an XL Bully must not be left in the care of someone who is not the registered owner. If that's correct the owner has committed an offence leaving the dogs with his brother.

I belive you are right but I think these were described as American Bulldogs. There is a slight difference and they are not banned.

 

[Miss_Millie]

I don't know if heightened fearfulness just naturally comes with age, but over the years I've become increasingly wary and even quite scared of any dogs I don't know well. I've had a couple of 'near misses' with off lead dogs, and local attacks which have made me nervous.

Has anyone dog-proofed their home/garden from the front? I had a Beagle come in my garden all worked up and it was lucky my cat wasn't outside at the time. The owner of the dog was on the phone on a different street, completely oblivious! (Owned) dogs straying about seems increasingly common.

 

[Jenko109]

Has anyone dog-proofed their home/garden from the front? I had a Beagle come in my garden all worked up and it was lucky my cat wasn't outside at the time. The owner of the dog was on the phone on a different street, completely oblivious! (Owned) dogs straying about seems increasingly common.

When I was a child, an off lead dog killed our cat in our front garden.

Mum kept it from me at the time but it was in the local newspaper and she kept the cutting. I found it while looking for something, many years later.

 

[cauda equina]

Our neighbour's collie killed one of my guinea pigs - I met him trotting across the field carrying a limp little body
But our neighbour and his collie were regular and welcome visitors and although sad we didn't blame either of them

 

[Moobli]

On my walk yesterday (rural, very few houses around), a gamekeeper stopped me and asked whether the dog that he'd just chased out of the woods and up the road was my dog. It wasn't, but from his description sounds like it was probably one of the large lurcher types who lives in the big house nearby. Quite worrying because they are big, powerful looking dogs and I'm not sure they are very friendly so not really something I want to meet wandering alone.

 

[skinnydipper]

And another one
Man killed by own XL bully dog at home https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrlkn8m35no

Redirected aggression.


A man who tried to fight off an XL bully with a broom as it mauled his friend to death has said the dog "just turned on him".

David Daintree died after his pet attacked him at his home on Ashley Court in Accrington, Lancashire, at about 21:30 BST on Tuesday.

Neighbours said Mr Daintree, 53, and another man had been trying to separate two dogs that had been fighting shortly before the attack occurred.

Mr Daintree’s friend, Lee Brown, said he "got a brush and tried to whack it with it, but there was no chance".

Mr Brown said another man in the house shouted for him to "get out, get out" as it attacked Mr Daintree, before adding: "It’s going to come for you next."

Armed police arrived shortly after the attack and shot the dog, which was considered to still pose a threat.

Another neighbour, who asked not to be named, told the BBC that before the attack, she thought she heard dogs playing, but when she looked out of her window, she saw two animals fighting and "their owners trying to stop them".

Lancashire Police said Mr Daintree was the owner of the XL bully, but had only had the dog "a relatively short time".

The force said the "previous ownership of the dog" would form part of its investigation.

Under the Dangerous Dogs Act, it is illegal for someone to leave an XL bully in someone else’s care or give it to a new owner, unless the receiver of the dog also has an exemption certificate.

Supt Marie Jackson said Mr Daintree's family, who described him as someone with "a heart of gold who would have helped anyone who needed it", were being supported by specialist officers.

She added that extra officers would be in the area carrying out inquiries and she urged anyone with information or concerns to speak to them.

XL bully 'just turned on man' before fatal mauling

Lee Brown says he tried to "whack" a dog with a brush as it mauled David Daintree to death.

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[Smitty]

I think the terrifying thing is that people are still in denial about the temprament of these dogs. I am on a few Facebook groups for camping and various people organise group meet ups from time to time and one person who has just come back from one posted that they won't go again because people gave their pocket bully a wide berth and sneery looks, just because of the bad publicity they receive. I guess they mean the attacks and deaths that have prompted the XL ban. Cue at least 30 replies, mostly along the lines of its how they are raised, its the owner not the dog, Yorkshire terriers and JRTs are worse, etc etc, accompanied by pics of their own huge XL type dogs lying on sofas who are apparently the most loving and caring dogs you could meet

Many are posting that on the next event they will be taking treats and rolling around on the floor with this dog, one person has posted a pic of their dog off lead and unmuzzled in some woods, saying next time they would go with their XL which would give people something to moan about and anyway, bullies are "boss" dogs.

The mindset of these people is almost cult like.

 

[Smitty]

Police and council 'warned about dogs' year before man fatally mauled

EXCLUSIVE: BirminghamLive has seen evidence a local raised the alarm 12 months before a man's body was found at the property

www.birminghammail.co.uk

The two loose dogs that were present at the killing have been found and detained, but it seems complaints about the dogs in that property were not acted upon. I do not understand why or how complaints such as these would be brushed under the carpet.

 

[I'm Dun]

Police and council 'warned about dogs' year before man fatally mauled

EXCLUSIVE: BirminghamLive has seen evidence a local raised the alarm 12 months before a man's body was found at the property

www.birminghammail.co.uk

The two loose dogs that were present at the killing have been found and detained, but it seems complaints about the dogs in that property were not acted upon. I do not understand why or how complaints such as these would be brushed under the carpet.

You try reporting anything like this and watch what happens. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There was a ban brought in and people are still dying. I wish they'd culled the whole damn lot of them. The dogs wouldn't have suffered and lots of lives would have been saved.

I've seen a lovely looking air B&B/campsite type of set up with lots of stuff catering to dogs, proudly advertising they allow XL bullies, more than allow really, they are very welcome and encouraged. I politely said that it looked beautiful and I'd love to visit but wouldn't come if there were XL bullies there. Then I wished them good luck with their venture, said it was lovely to see somewhere so dog friendly etc etc. I got roundly turned on. Its not the dogs its the owners, they wouldn't want me there if I had that attitude, blah, blah, blah. People will not accept that humans created these dogs and they created monsters. I'm sure some got lucky in the genetic sweep stakes and are fine, but lots didn't, and those ones kill people.

 

[Goldenstar]

The owners of these XL bully dogs have it in their power to protect their families and themselves .
They also can protect their dogs from stressful end by simply having them PTS in a calm way .

 

[Pearlsasinger]

The dogs in this incident were not a banned breed.

 

[Cortez]

The dogs in this incident were not a banned breed.

Described as “American bulldog types”. The picture I saw of one of them looked quite pittbull-ish, and previous reporting said they were a banned breed. Reporting can of course be inaccurate.

 

[Fjord]

Isn't size one of the factors in determining if they are an XL Bully? So they may still be the same as an XL but just a but smaller? My neighbour has one that he says doesn't come in as an XL because he is not quite the height.

My point being, that it could be the same sort of breeding, temperament and essentially the same dog, just not quite as tall and therefore not an XL.

Edited as I can't type properly

 

[Pearlsasinger]

Described as “American bulldog types”. The picture I saw of one of them looked quite pittbull-ish, and previous reporting said they were a banned breed. Reporting can of course be inaccurate.

The BBC and, I think ITV, were saying they were not a banned breed but American Bulldogs which are a recognised breed in themselves. We have to be careful about objecting to size or several HHO members will find themselves with banned breeds, such as Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc.

 

[skinnydipper]

I thought from the photo the dog had the look of a pitbull type.

 

[misst]

There's a dog I see walked on a fixed lead on the pavement down the road from me. It's not a mastif I am sure. It looks very bull dog like to me and is very large. No muzzle. I am not sure how to tell to be honest. He's not bothering me as I only have been in the car when I have seen him. I have never seen him on the common and never seen him off lead but it does make me nervous.

 

[Cortez]

The BBC and, I think ITV, were saying they were not a banned breed but American Bulldogs which are a recognised breed in themselves. We have to be careful about objecting to size or several HHO members will find themselves with banned breeds, such as Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc.

Even an idiot could distinguish between a Great Dane or mastiff and a pit-type dog.

 

[stormox]

It's absolutely crazy that dogs can be around in public not on a lead. It should be the law that all dogs need to be leashed with exception for working dogs only whilst they are working. It's also crazy that people are allowed to keep dogs which are unsuitable for them eg in the village there is a frail gentleman with a large dog he couldn't hold if it decided to leap away from him,others have a walk it for him as it got away, it's a powerful rescue doberman that was trained initially as a guard dog abroad. It's madness.

Dogs have been off lead around people forever. It only seems to be fairly recently serious attacks have been so common including fatal ones.

I have a well mannered, well trained GSD who loves chasing her ball. How could she have fun running, and sniffing, if not on lead? In my opinion she would become frustrated, unhappy and it wouldn't be fair. And frustration leads to reactiveness, fear and ultimately growling and biting.

And as for the "frail old man" that dog could be his only companion, and it is sensible to get others to walk it if he can't manage. Dobermans are usually very calm in the house with 'their person'.

 

[twiggy2]

Even an idiot could distinguish between a Great Dane or mastiff and a pit-type dog.

Thats like me as a shepherd saying ' even an idiot could distinguish between a cheviot and a llyen' most people would not in reality have a clue.
Most of my family are greatly into dogs and wouldn't know a pit bull from a mastiff but they are not idiots.

Dogs have been off lead around people forever. It only seems to be fairly recently serious attacks have been so common including fatal ones.

I have a well mannered, well trained GSD who loves chasing her ball. How could she have fun running, and sniffing, if not on lead? In my opinion she would become frustrated, unhappy and it wouldn't be fair. And frustration leads to reactiveness, fear and ultimately growling and biting.

And as for the "frail old man" that dog could be his only companion, and it is sensible to get others to walk it if he can't manage. Dobermans are usually very calm in the house with 'their person'.

You give the dog other experiences, outlets and interests and you hire a fenced area for off lead ball chasing (which isn't physically (or mentally) great for many dogs anyway), you as the owner find other ways to enrich your dogs life.

 

[stangs]

Thats like me as a shepherd saying ' even an idiot could distinguish between a cheviot and a llyen' most people would not in reality have a clue.
Most of my family are greatly into dogs and wouldn't know a pit bull from a mastiff but they are not idiots.

Agreed. Even the standard used to assess pitbull types writes that there's considerable variety in dogs that are considered of type: there's not even a restriction on height (beyond that it should be proportional to weight). The XL bully standard is even more of a pain to understand - it looks alright on paper but there's a certain type of mastiff where it becomes difficult for the untrained eye to evaluate if the dog does fall under type or not. I've sat down with someone who does assessments and I still can't fully tell.

Now if idiots can tell the difference between a sportier and smaller mastiff (which, for many breeds, was the correct type back in the day) and a tall and muscular pitbull type, good for them because I struggle with it. As I've learnt, it's not as simple as "lithe dog with bull-type head."

Ditto the XL bully. Admittedly, you're unlikely to mistake a Fila for one, but there are a fair few Cane Corsos, Bullmastiffs, and other mastiffs (especially the stockier non-working types) that get very close to being assessed as a bully.