conniegirl
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The video makes it seem that he was invited in and did nothing more offensive than walk through the door
Another fatal dog attack
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Doors/entries are very common flashpoints (how many posts have there been on here about even small fluffy dogs barking or going nuts at the front door/window/mail person/person walking past) and it's unfair to expect a dog to discriminate if a complete stranger coming into their territory is a friend or foe, or to understand what an 'invitation' is.
I'm not disputing that the TikToker was an idiot but understanding dogs and their reactions is important.
conniegirl
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I know doors are flash points but imo someone with an invite is very different to someone just walking in.
If you invite someone in then your dog absolutely should be under control and either not inclined to take a bit out of someone or contained in a cage/room with sturdy door.
If you invite someone in then your dog absolutely should be under control and either not inclined to take a bit out of someone or contained in a cage/room with sturdy door.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I absolutely agree with your second point but it is a big ask to expect a dog to know the difference between someone being invited in and just walking in. Those are human conventions.
Jenko109
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If I had a dog capable of easily killing someone, then nobody would be able to just walk in. My door would be locked.
There is a bloke on TikTok. Think hes called Sam the dog man. He has about 5 XL bullies in kennels in his back garden. He posted a video recently about how two of his XL bullies had got out into the street as they had managed to knock the catch on the back gate open. Seriously? Why on earth would you not keep the gate locked?
Also. A few months ago I went round a friends early one morning to drop something off. I had not been to her new house before but we are close enough that I can just walk into her house. Well, I tried to walk into the wrong house, which thankfully was locked! It would only need to take a simple mistake like that to bring me face to face with a dangerous dog, by a completely innocent mistake.
There is a bloke on TikTok. Think hes called Sam the dog man. He has about 5 XL bullies in kennels in his back garden. He posted a video recently about how two of his XL bullies had got out into the street as they had managed to knock the catch on the back gate open. Seriously? Why on earth would you not keep the gate locked?
Also. A few months ago I went round a friends early one morning to drop something off. I had not been to her new house before but we are close enough that I can just walk into her house. Well, I tried to walk into the wrong house, which thankfully was locked! It would only need to take a simple mistake like that to bring me face to face with a dangerous dog, by a completely innocent mistake.
Landcruiser
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I spent a long time last week talking on the phone to a potential new client at the vets where I work. He called to book a first vacc for a 9 wk pup he was planning to pick up that evening. What started as a friendly enquiry regarding the breed turned into me giving the poor chap the third degree and lots of food for thought, and then very strongly advising him not to buy the pup and why. I hope he listened. How many red flags does it take?
First time dog owner
Small child in the house
9 week pup with no vaccs and unknown worming history
Pup in it's 3rd home already
Not chipped
"Photos" of lovely parents seen.
Oh, and the breed of those parents?
Staff x Corso
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First time dog owner
Small child in the house
9 week pup with no vaccs and unknown worming history
Pup in it's 3rd home already
Not chipped
"Photos" of lovely parents seen.
Oh, and the breed of those parents?
Staff x Corso
.
sarah.oxford
Well-Known Member
I spent a long time last week talking on the phone to a potential new client at the vets where I work. He called to book a first vacc for a 9 wk pup he was planning to pick up that evening. What started as a friendly enquiry regarding the breed turned into me giving the poor chap the third degree and lots of food for thought, and then very strongly advising him not to buy the pup and why. I hope he listened. How many red flags does it take?
First time dog owner
Small child in the house
9 week pup with no vaccs and unknown worming history
Pup in it's 3rd home already
Not chipped
"Photos" of lovely parents seen.
Oh, and the breed of those parents?
Staff x Corso
3rd home at 9 weeks!!!
As a sbt person I don't agree with them being crossed with anything. A well bred sbt is a fantastic dog, and I have yet to meet a sbt x that has been improved through crossing.
The thought of the type of sbt owner that would cross with a cane Corso doesn't bare thinking about. 2 breeds that you need to know what you are getting.
I'm glad you have had a realistic chat. I really hope they listen. So many red flags there.
conniegirl
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I think you are deliberately miss reading my posts. There was only one point there not 2.
If you just wander into someones house you should expect to face an unhappy dog, if you are invited then that dog should either be friendly with others or should be suitably restrained.
One point, not 2!
maisie06
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I spent a long time last week talking on the phone to a potential new client at the vets where I work. He called to book a first vacc for a 9 wk pup he was planning to pick up that evening. What started as a friendly enquiry regarding the breed turned into me giving the poor chap the third degree and lots of food for thought, and then very strongly advising him not to buy the pup and why. I hope he listened. How many red flags does it take?
First time dog owner
Small child in the house
9 week pup with no vaccs and unknown worming history
Pup in it's 3rd home already
Not chipped
"Photos" of lovely parents seen.
Oh, and the breed of those parents?
Staff x Corso
I have heard owners describe a snarling dog as "smiling" so I'm not surprised children think that too
sarah.oxford
Well-Known Member
You are correct, the question is how do we educate these people so their kids don't become statistics
Ambers Echo
Still wittering on
I have a friend who is clueless about her own collie dog. She was riding, dog was in the landrover which was unlocked. She had forgotten her whip so asked me to get it from the vehice. With the dog in it. The dog growled as I approached. I went back and said 'I cant get it'. She said 'oh don't be ridiculous he won't do anything' . So I went back thinking surely she knows her own dog and and got closer. Hackles were up, dog started snarling so I walked away. NO WAY was I opening that door. And my friend thought I was the idiot for refusing to stick my arm into the space he was defending.
malwhit
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Now that American XL Bullies are banned, Cane Corsos are getting more popular. I can't see it being just a coincidence. They are being bred by the local equivalent of the Dingles from Emmerdale & are sold to anyone with the cash to buy one.
GSD Woman
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This really hit me in the way our 2 countries are so different. Walk into the wrong house, or even ring the bell, and you may be shot. Especially if you aren't white.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Oh look another
www.sussexexpress.co.uk
An East Sussex toddler was left seriously injured after an attack by a 'pocket bully' dog
A toddler was mauled by a pocket bully dog in a ‘horrendous’ attack while out with his family in an East Sussex town, his mother said.
www.sussexexpress.co.uk
Clodagh
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Poor little man. Why no arrests? Why is being a complete failure as a human not a crime?
twiggy2
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Incredibly sad, poor little boy.
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
If the person had attacked with a knife they would be inside for years. Why not if they have an attacking dog.
Pippity
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My cat (RIP) had her moments of getting a bit bitey, so I made sure to keep her leash on for trick-or-treat evening. If I can do that for a bloody cat, how come owners of bully things can't do the same?
cauda equina
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Or just don't open the door
No one is obliged to engage with trick or treaters
No one is obliged to engage with trick or treaters
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I have an airlock system for our dogs, as one will nip (17yo terrier). I say nip as he knid of barks too close, rather then biting and taking hold.
If I have workmen round, the door is locked if the dog is loose in the house. I have 2 doors between strangers and the dogs.
If he had permission to enter, the door should have been locked while the dog was out. Because, yes, I would expect that a dog may bite if a stranger walks in unexpectedly. I do think that was irresponsible. Very sad though.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Coventry baby died in 'sudden and unanticipated' dog attack
Seven-month-old Elle Doherty suffered a fatal head injury after she brushed against the family's 31kg dog.
www.bbc.co.uk
May have previously been on here but that poor baby. Wouldn't have stood a chance
Landcruiser
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"Sudden and unanticipated."Coventry baby died in 'sudden and unanticipated' dog attack
Seven-month-old Elle Doherty suffered a fatal head injury after she brushed against the family's 31kg dog.www.bbc.co.uk
May have previously been on here but that poor baby. Wouldn't have stood a chance
Like almost all dog attacks then. But actually anyone knowing anything about the breed and with any common sense whatsoever would keep babies well away from them...you'd think.
slimjim86
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The stupidity of people never fails to surprise me, stupid people who can't see the massive amounts of evidence that show no matter how friendly an xl bully has been in the past their indiscriminate breeding makes them too big a threat to keep in existence any longer ( I do agree that the ones already here who have not shown aggression should be allowed to be kept by responsible owners who adhere to a strict set of rules), stupid people who keep putting themselves and their kids in danger coz they won't learn about dog behaviour and symptoms, stupid people who won't listen to a dogs owner who tells them to keep their distance, the list goes on. Many years ago my partner and I were away at a family event from about 5pm till midnight, so we booked a dog walker to come over and feed our 2 malamutes and give them a toilet break in the garden. She had a 4year old child so I made sure to tell her the red and white one was not to be trusted anywhere near a child, the other one is good with kids but obviously not when he's eating. She said it was fine, her kid was at her mums anyway. I said if the plans changed just to make sure child was in the sitting room watching TV away from the dogs, anyway I got a call just after 9 saying she was in hospital with her kid because the red and white dog had bit his face!!! Obviously she hadn't as he had a bust lip that didn't even need stitches and I'm pretty sure a bite from a 45kg dog would do more damage than that, but why oh why after being told so strenuously not to let him near that dog was he in a position for anything yo happen!!!!
SaddlePsych'D
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I've not seen any proper XL bully for ages but today saw one and it was the size of a small bear, running across a main road as I was driving, no muzzle, lead trailing and idiot owner chasing. It proceeded to tow said owner down the road once he'd picked the lead up again. Terrifying. Just really scary to see still out in public.
ponyparty
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Man dies after dog attack in Stratford, east London
A woman, 32, has been charged over the attack, which took place on Wednesday morning.
www.bbc.co.uk
sarah.oxford
Well-Known Member
Awful. It's just not stopping is it....
cauda equina
Well-Known Member
Apparently there was also 'an incident' on 18 November
If that had been dealt with differently perhaps the man's death could have been prevented
If that had been dealt with differently perhaps the man's death could have been prevented
ponyparty
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Yes... Well. That is what is making me genuinely nervous at the moment, where I live.
There is a bully type in the flats next door to me that recently attacked the lady in the flat below - see my post https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/irresponsible-owners.814204/post-15717569
I thought the dog was gone, but no, it's still there. I saw it looking through the window the other day.
I have subsequently heard (on the grapevine, and I have no way of verifying this so I am taking with a pinch of salt, but still...) that it's also attacked 3 other people on separate occasions. And that the reason it launched at the woman was because she came through a gate into a communal area - apparently current owner "rescued" it from its previous life as a guard dog for a weed grow, so as she opened the gate it went into guarding mode. Also don't know how true this is of course.
I have complained to the housing association that owns the flats, and they responded instantly to say they've added my complaint to the case log, and that she has been ordered to keep the dog muzzled and on lead in their communal areas, but they don't know about on public land. I have seen the police attend her flat, but I don't know what the outcome was. I haven't seen the dog out and about at all since all this happened - not once. I don't know whether to report my concerns to the police (even the RSPCA - unsuitable environment for the dog?). I just really REALLY don't want it living next door to me I'm haunted by the thought of it ragging my 6yo son around. I'm actually considering moving house (not just for this reason, but it's certainly up there!).
There is a bully type in the flats next door to me that recently attacked the lady in the flat below - see my post https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/irresponsible-owners.814204/post-15717569
I thought the dog was gone, but no, it's still there. I saw it looking through the window the other day.
I have subsequently heard (on the grapevine, and I have no way of verifying this so I am taking with a pinch of salt, but still...) that it's also attacked 3 other people on separate occasions. And that the reason it launched at the woman was because she came through a gate into a communal area - apparently current owner "rescued" it from its previous life as a guard dog for a weed grow, so as she opened the gate it went into guarding mode. Also don't know how true this is of course.
I have complained to the housing association that owns the flats, and they responded instantly to say they've added my complaint to the case log, and that she has been ordered to keep the dog muzzled and on lead in their communal areas, but they don't know about on public land. I have seen the police attend her flat, but I don't know what the outcome was. I haven't seen the dog out and about at all since all this happened - not once. I don't know whether to report my concerns to the police (even the RSPCA - unsuitable environment for the dog?). I just really REALLY don't want it living next door to me
I'm haunted by the thought of it ragging my 6yo son around. I'm actually considering moving house (not just for this reason, but it's certainly up there!).
Smitty
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PP, I feel for you and am surprised that in the light of all the serious attacks this dog and its owner have been and are being given so many chances.
Would it be worth contacting your MP I wonder?
Would it be worth contacting your MP I wonder?
ponyparty
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Maybe, although he is a self serving liar so probably not
