Another fatal dog attack

Jenko109

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I just cannot stand reading the comments on social media by those who will so blindly defend a dog who has literally ragged a child to death.

'Something must have happened to make the dog attack'

'What did the child do to the dog'

'This will have been the result of the child prodding and annoying the dog over time'

Boils my absolute piss.
 

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Legal restrictions XL bully dogs

"Since the 31 December [today], it is illegal to breed, sell, advertise, gift, exchange, abandon or let XL Bully dogs stray. All XL Bully dogs must also be kept on a lead and muzzled when in public."




How long had they had the dog?


A caravan site official said: ‘We knew they had an XL bully dog. We only knew [the girl] because her mum had asked if she could play in the park and we said ‘Of course she can’.

‘[The girl] told us she had a new dog. It was not that long ago. We used to come onto the park and play with the other children.

‘I have never seen or heard the dog and I am here every day. [The girl] had said to herself ‘We have got a new pet’.

‘Other children who played with [the girl] in the yard said it was a family pet.

‘The static caravan arrived during the summer in a field next to the Snooty Fox caravan park outside the village of East Heslerton.’



 

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Legal restrictions XL bully dogs

"Since the 31 December [today], it is illegal to breed, sell, advertise, gift, exchange, abandon or let XL Bully dogs stray. All XL Bully dogs must also be kept on a lead and muzzled when in public."




How long had they had the dog?


A caravan site official said: ‘We knew they had an XL bully dog. We only knew [the girl] because her mum had asked if she could play in the park and we said ‘Of course she can’.

‘[The girl] told us she had a new dog. It was not that long ago. We used to come onto the park and play with the other children.

‘I have never seen or heard the dog and I am here every day. [The girl] had said to herself ‘We have got a new pet’.

‘Other children who played with [the girl] in the yard said it was a family pet.

‘The static caravan arrived during the summer in a field next to the Snooty Fox caravan park outside the village of East Heslerton.’



But this relies on people abiding by the law. They don't. What I don't understand, and I totally dont, is that families accept these dogs into their home, with all the negative press and injuries over the last couple of years being well publicised.
 

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But this relies on people abiding by the law. They don't. What I don't understand, and I totally dont, is that families accept these dogs into their home, with all the negative press and injuries over the last couple of years being well publicised.
Trouble is they don't believe it. Those dogs can seem so sweet, naïve people just don't realise the danger.
 

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It’s such a shame that once again an innocent child has lost her life. Even though I love my dogs and they are very friendly I never let them get near small children , if they are loose on my walk I put them on the lead. When my niece visited me with her baby who was 6 months old my dogs were on leads all of the time even though I’m 99% sure they wouldn’t harm her but I wouldn’t take the risk and mine are little dogs, the thought of an adult XL bully loose with any child just shows that the owners have no sense … I would like some sort of public announcement on tv explaining good dog management around children and emphasising that no dog, whatever size should be left alone with a child. Something like the aids clip but not demonising all dogs , just giving best practice advice
 

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It’s awful poor child idiot parents it’s hard to feel pity because it on the face it they walked into this with their eyes open .

On a more general point on dogs and space it is perfectly possible to keep dogs in a small home however it will take more work and commitment and giving up of social outings etc .

Lack of exercise and outside time is the root of many issues with dogs .
I am not in anyway saying that there would be no issues with these XL bullies if they all got walked that’s too simplistic.
But dogs need exercise and if that’s a road walk as my father called them then that’s what you have to do.
In fact leader walking is really good for dogs if you are physically able to walk a decent distance you need to get out and do it .
A lot of these problems with young labs is about not getting enough calm exercise often enough.
 

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Stuff the law, if that was my dog and my child be it a poodle or a bully I would have had it euthanised immediately.
Don't you think you might be more concerned with trying to save the child? Until someone medically qualified told you that it couldn't be done, by which time the police would be there removing the dog.
 

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Don't you think you might be more concerned with trying to save the child? Until someone medically qualified told you that it couldn't be done, by which time the police would be there removing the dog.
I am commenting on this particular child. The child was deceased before the mother alerted others to what had happened according to accounts we have been given, not dying. I based my response on the certainty that 'my' dog had killed 'my' child that would be what I believe I would want at that moment in time.

But obviously I can only guess at my response in that situation as although I have lost a child, it was not in the same circumstances. We can all only base our opinions or guess at our initial reaction based on our own life experiences. That is mine, that the dog be destroyed as quickly and efficiently as possible after the death of the child.
 

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I am commenting on this particular child. The child was deceased before the mother alerted others to what had happened according to accounts we have been given, not dying. I based my response on the certainty that 'my' dog had killed 'my' child that would be what I believe I would want at that moment in time.

But obviously I can only guess at my response in that situation as although I have lost a child, it was not in the same circumstances. We can all only base our opinions or guess at our initial reaction based on our own life experiences. That is mine, that the dog be destroyed as quickly and efficiently as possible after the death of the child.
If you had a dead baby in your sitting room, I really doubt you’d load the dog up to go to the vets.
We can all say ad infinitum what we would do. On the whole I think we’d completely freak out and panic.
 

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With respect @Clodagh I don't think you can tell me how I might react anymore than I can guess what others might do in those circumstances immediately following the death of their child whatever the situation. In fact I would rather you didn't make any assumptions on my reaction.

I think I will leave this thread now before I write something I may regret.
 

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As a generalisation, for some parts of society, it's slightly more complex than that. Involving animals, and indeed humans that are seen as commodities, inability to look at or think about life in the medium to long term, the desirability of a short-term dopamine hit/instant gratification, driven by long-term poverty and lack of opportunity.
I'm repeating myself, but let's also not forget the elephant in the room, IE, how these dogs came about/became popular when other revenue streams were impacted by lockdowns, and the subsequent advertising/glamourisation through social media by the Peaky Blinders cosplayers and their molls.
There are people, of course, who do have more/better capacity for independent thought, but unfortunately a lot of those people seem to fall into the 'deed not breed', 'it's how you raise them', 'if I rescue a dog and shower it in love, it won't tear my leg off' camp.
That is so true, sadly along with the tendency to attribute human emotions and reasoning to animals. Even those who you would expect to know better acquire dogs that are totally unsuited to their lifestyle and abilities because of their looks or because they wanted to 'give them another chance', to try and prove a point and for social media attention and kudos. That instant gratification is soon wiped out though and while some people swallow their pride, ask for help and accept that they've got it wrong and step up to make it work, many, many more don't and blame everyone but themselves for their dogs issues. Their dogs are the ones that are just a bloody nuisance everywhere you go when they are a small companion breed but as the size gets bigger and the breeds more challenging, they stop being just a nuisance and start verging on dangerous even when they're not XLBs. It appears that all the XLBs in this area have been rebranded as american bulldogs or mastiff crosses, wear pink collars and julius harnesses with 'I'm friendly' badges:rolleyes: so that's reassuring...
 

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I was tiny when I was ten, a light wind would blow me over.

Baby-toddler-child (younger/smaller or older) -teenager (young, mid to late) is common parlance. One could say a child is a child until they hit their early or even mid to late teens.

I know for me, a puppy can be a puppy until at least 18 months ;)
 

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So by the sounds of things, they illegally took on a banned breed, contained it to a small space with no exercise and then were surprised when it flipped its switch.
North Yorkshire Police have confirmed that the dog had been with the family for four years and had a Certificate of Exemption under new legislation introduced in February. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c154ne70kzeo
 

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Its not even close to working is it? I wonder if anyone has looked at the stats pre and post ban. The number of attacks barely seems to have slowed.
I think there are fewer attacks on random members of the public going about their daily business.

I hate the look of the breed, when I have met one in person, I always get the heebie jeebies. I am glad that at least they are not roaming as much now.

I don't know that announcing that all XLBs were to be PTS would have worked, there would have been a bigger uprising against a blanket PTS. At least people are not so likely to be randomly attacked. I can't understand having one in a family home with kids. Maybe that could be the next ban? Kids under 10 in the house? But then, they now can't be re-homed, so presumably would be PTS? Maybe a compulsory one-rehome exemption for houses with kids under 10? People may find that more palatable?
 

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Of course it might not be true - owners might not be being honest about their dog's previous behaviour - but a lot of attacks seem to happen with no warning whatsoever
Why would you risk the possible death of a family member (and it's not only children who have been killed) for the sake of a pet?
 

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Of course it might not be true - owners might not be being honest about their dog's previous behaviour - but a lot of attacks seem to happen with no warning whatsoever
Why would you risk the possible death of a family member (and it's not only children who have been killed) for the sake of a pet?
Is this because the typical XL Bully owner may not pick up on early subtle signs, or is it the dogs??
 
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