Smitty
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I don't mind these beasts hurting their owners, but a random person on the street SHOULD NOT be attacked by a dog.
Another fatal dog attack
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CorvusCorax
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XL bully: Meeting a dangerous dog owner to ask why they have one
Matt's daughter was attacked by an XL bully - he agreed to meet an owner to find out why anyone would want one.
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JFTDWS
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Fair enough, she's trying to be responsible by - presumably - abiding by the rules of the ban, and by putting at least some effort into training it.
But honestly, perpetuating the "lovely family pets", "it's all about the owner" nonsense is so harmful. If her dog never turns on her, it'll be luck as well as any amount of training she may (or may not) have put into it. Temperament is hereditary, and these dogs are not lovely family pets
If you actually want a lovely family pet, go buy a sensible dog - like the charming, dopey retriever I was canoodling with last night.
But honestly, perpetuating the "lovely family pets", "it's all about the owner" nonsense is so harmful. If her dog never turns on her, it'll be luck as well as any amount of training she may (or may not) have put into it. Temperament is hereditary, and these dogs are not lovely family pets
If you actually want a lovely family pet, go buy a sensible dog - like the charming, dopey retriever I was canoodling with last night.
Smitty
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I read that. Quite apart from how dreadful for child and dad, the XL owner seemed to be doing a lot of training and work with the dog, believing it's how they are raised etc. So far so good, but it is only 2.XL bully: Meeting a dangerous dog owner to ask why they have one
Matt's daughter was attacked by an XL bully - he agreed to meet an owner to find out why anyone would want one.www.bbc.co.uk
And I still have no idea why anyone would want one as a pet.
CorvusCorax
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I agree it had an awful start in life and it's still young, so I'd caution her against being so certain that there will not be problems down the line.
skinnydipper
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It's funny how these people always say "it's how you bring them up, how you treat them". Conveniently forgetting about genetics.
It isn't clear from the report. Did she buy him from the breeder?
The dog was rescued from a backyard breeder and Lily tells us, if she and Hayden hadn't taken him in, there was a danger he'd have ended up in the wrong hands. "
It isn't clear from the report. Did she buy him from the breeder?
The dog was rescued from a backyard breeder and Lily tells us, if she and Hayden hadn't taken him in, there was a danger he'd have ended up in the wrong hands. "
P3LH
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I’ll never understand why some bully owners seem to be the only people who can’t accept breeds have characteristics engrained for centuries.
My corgis are well trained and well brought up. They are still bossy, headstrong, free thinking, drivey, like to herd things, like to guard the house and garden, like everyone to be in one place together, won’t think twice about telling you if they aren’t happy - cause it’s literally wired into their DNA, just as certain traits are with the bull breeds.
My corgis are well trained and well brought up. They are still bossy, headstrong, free thinking, drivey, like to herd things, like to guard the house and garden, like everyone to be in one place together, won’t think twice about telling you if they aren’t happy - cause it’s literally wired into their DNA, just as certain traits are with the bull breeds.
Clodagh
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‘My Labrador is always carrying my shoes’
‘My XL bully is a little fluffy care bear’.
There’s none so blind as them that don’t want to see.
‘My XL bully is a little fluffy care bear’.
There’s none so blind as them that don’t want to see.
Clodagh
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Didn’t y’all know, love is sufficient to overcome all obstacles.
I'm Dun
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Awful start, badly bred by a back yard breeder and its just 2 which is about when the issues show. Shes an absolute bloody idiot if she thinks you can train bad breeding and genetics out of a dog. She will be another one crying saying he'd never done anything like it before, he just turned on me. The usual stuff. They all think they are such good owners that it will be fine.
The one I know was lovely, very sweet natured dog, it still turned on its owner. Luckily it was a warning bite not a fatal one.
stangs
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To be fair, I know a fair few set-up-to-fail dogs now (as in bought off Gumtree by a first time dog owner; already had 3/4 homes by the age of 1; Cane Corso, GSD, and bully type breeding). Their owners are putting the hours in training them, do all the homework the trainer gives them, and as a result are seeing improvement in their dogs beyond that expected.
I also know two dogs (Cane Corso and American Bulldog) who, on paper, are a disaster waiting to happen. Both live in a small flat with lots of children, haven’t received much training because their novice owners don’t want to put the time in, and their breeding’s unknown because they’ve been passed around but neither of them look good enough conformation wise to have been bred responsibly.
And yet, for some reason, these two dogs are possibly the most stable dogs I’ve ever laid eyes on. They put every other dog we get in to shame.
Obviously, I’m not advocating that people buy dogs from dodgy backgrounds or breeding, I’m well aware of the importance of good breeding and rearing, and I get that there’s potentially something pathologically wrong with certain XL bullies that makes them particularly unreliable. But I wonder if sometimes this forum leans too heavily towards nature over nuture, because a lot of these dogs can become much more trustworthy people with the right support from their owners - if the same way that any fool can take a perfectly nice dog and wreck it with bad training and management.
And, in the case of the aforementioned CC and AB, some dogs are just born miracles.
JFTDWS
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My perspective on this is that - yes - some folks get lucky. Some dogs are just born miracles. But if you choose to buy a bull breed, or "rescue" one from dodgy circumstances, you are massively increasing the risk of something bad happening. And when something bad happens with these dogs, it's really bad.
I don't understand why people would choose to take that risk, when there are so many less risky dogs out there.
stangs
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I agree with you that people shouldn’t take such risks. The tragedy is that most of them don’t think of it as a risk until they start having issues. My point is just that bull/molosser types from bad backgrounds aren’t all inherently walking weapons and that there is a big element of nurture that tends to get downplayed on here.
Goldenstar
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You train a Lab you see the characteristics that make them gun dogs wake up right there in front of you.
Breed a dog for fighting ….
I listened to the piece on radio 4 this morning she’s a responsible if slightly deluded owner.
I hope Doug leads a blameless life and I think he probably will.
But that child is lucky to be alive and her father has been changed by that attack it’s ghastly .
Breed a dog for fighting ….
I listened to the piece on radio 4 this morning she’s a responsible if slightly deluded owner.
I hope Doug leads a blameless life and I think he probably will.
But that child is lucky to be alive and her father has been changed by that attack it’s ghastly .
CorvusCorax
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As someone who is potentially further down the road on the training journey and perhaps a lot more jaded and cynical
these cases are often just down to luck.JFTDWS
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I don't think it does - I don't think anyone on here is saying that all these dogs are problematic. I think people are saying that they are much more likely to be problematic than many other common breeds.
The issue is that nobody knows whether an individual dog is a problem, or going to become a problem. You can only really know that in hindsight - when a dog has lived out its life and died.
We do all know that handling and training is a big factor - but it's not necessarily enough to protect you if your dog happens to be one that's genetically screwed.
It's also my opinion that many people, with the best will in the world, cannot read their animals. They think they're doing great, they think they're training it and managing its lifestyle well, but the reality is they're just missing the warning signs. So when people say that their individual dog isn't part of the problem, I'm not really inclined to put too much stock in their opinion.
I'm Dun
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And lets not forget, people arent perfect. Lots try very hard but lots think they are doing the right thing but inadvertently arent. Id be very surprised if you got many of the XL owners to say they arent good owners and arent doing a good job. Very few people deliberately make mistakes. Its not usually the stereotypical scumbag drug dealer who has trained his dog to be a weapon whose dog kills someone. It does happen, but predominantly its the "I don't know what happened, he just turned" people whose dogs are killing people.
skinnydipper
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I understand you are now a dog trainer's assistant.
Dog training classes aren't the usual environment that a dog encounters, and hopefully all dogs are under control in class. I'm not sure it is possible to see the full picture in an hour a week in a controlled environment, what the dog's behaviour is really like, how it behaves at home or how it responds to any perceived threats or challenges out in the 'real world'.
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CorvusCorax
'Do you come here often?'
Newtownards: Police officers destroy dog after attack on two people
Police responded to the incident in the Newtownards shortly after 18:30 BST on Thursday.
www.bbc.co.uk
I'm Dun
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Locals are upset the dog has had to be PTS?! I'm sure they'd be more upset if it attacked them 
JBM
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I believe that dog did something similar last year and nothing was doneNewtownards: Police officers destroy dog after attack on two people
Police responded to the incident in the Newtownards shortly after 18:30 BST on Thursday.www.bbc.co.uk
So obviously owners didn’t change anything after first time
asmp
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More on it
XL bully owner thought she was 'going to die' during attack
A man and woman were treated by ambulance crews after the attack in Newtownards.
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Smitty
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Attempted murder arrest as XL Bully 'on the loose' in Sheffield
Police say the dog fled as officers investigated a reported shooting in a Sheffield suburb.
www.bbc.co.uk
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CorvusCorax
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Locals are upset the dog has had to be PTS?! I'm sure they'd be more upset if it attacked them
To be fair, that's not the full quote, it is 'particularly in this way', and it is incredibly viscerally distressing to watch/hear a dog getting shot, no matter what it has done. That team has had to take out much larger animals and they don't generally hold back on the amount of shots to make sure that the job is done.
CorvusCorax
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Despite getting badly bitten, the owner is still seen on CCTV she has posted herself trying to help the dog when the firearms team moves in, and acknowledges that while it was very upsetting, said the police did everything they could not to resort to shooting the dog.
Whatever she did or did not do in the past, she is getting a lot of stick for 'calling the police to kill her own dog'.
Whatever she did or did not do in the past, she is getting a lot of stick for 'calling the police to kill her own dog'.
CorvusCorax
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Sorry for the multiple posts but I have just seen someone claim that the owner of the dog or a previous owner *must* have abused the dog and that dogs 'do not snap for no reason'.
Owner is then accused of denying the dog the right to rehabilitation or a peaceful death by calling the police and having him 'murdered' by 'trigger happy morons' despite them sending a dog team out with catchpoles and muzzles.
Owner is then accused of denying the dog the right to rehabilitation or a peaceful death by calling the police and having him 'murdered' by 'trigger happy morons' despite them sending a dog team out with catchpoles and muzzles.
JBM
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She said “If I knew that dog was capable of doing that, that dog wouldn't have been here” but yet..the dog did do that..last year
JBM
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CorvusCorax
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Not disputing the rights and wrongs of anything that happened by the way, just boggled at the people who think this dog was capable of going off to live with nice kind people on a farm after (alleged multiple) attacks and, that the armed response unit (see also 'the filth' and 'trigger happy morons' - sic) gets called in to 'murder/unalive' dogs for fun.
I'm Dun
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Attempted murder arrest as XL Bully 'on the loose' in Sheffield
Police say the dog fled as officers investigated a reported shooting in a Sheffield suburb.
www.bbc.co.uk