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I heard the reports of the shooting and police follow-up in Stannington on the wireless this morning.

Didn't know about the XL bully in Hillfoot, before reading this tonight...
 
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Im wondering if XL bullys have something similar to Spaniel rage syndrome going on.
A lot of them seem to just snap, having previously shown no signs.
It also always seems to be dogs over 2. Yes they are bred for aggression etc but I can’t help thinking something else is going on too.

Just my musings on a sunday morning.
 
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Red-1 said:
It does seem to escalate in warmer weather.
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I think its just that the dogs don't get out when it's colder.

I think the act of shooting a dog that has attacked someone needs to stop being a 'difficult' one.
An attack is so very different to a bite, I have been bitten, I have avoided attacks and I have spent time with some very unbalanced dog as well as some of the most balanced there are.
If it was all about how dogs are bought up then we wouldn't see so many collies with obsessive, chasing, nipping and herding behaviours as it would be loved out of them by their owners.
You do get some who don't have the natural instincts at all and also some who are a lot less driven but the vast majority show their inbred behaviours.
 
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conniegirl said:
Im wondering if XL bullys have something similar to Spaniel rage syndrome going on.
A lot of them seem to just snap, having previously shown no signs.
It also always seems to be dogs over 2. Yes they are bred for aggression etc but I can’t help thinking something else is going on too.

Just my musings on a sunday morning.
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They seem to. I shared an article and some info about it way back on this thread. There were people looking into it and there seemed to be a strong genetic link.
 
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twiggy2 said:
I think its just that the dogs don't get out when it's colder.

I think the act of shooting a dog that has attacked someone needs to stop being a 'difficult' one.
An attack is so very different to a bite, I have been bitten, I have avoided attacks and I have spent time with some very unbalanced dog as well as some of the most balanced there are.
If it was all about how dogs are bought up then we wouldn't see so many collies with obsessive, chasing, nipping and herding behaviours as it would be loved out of them by their owners.
You do get some who don't have the natural instincts at all and also some who are a lot less driven but the vast majority show their inbred behaviours.
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Yup, none of my whippets have been like Cooper. Hes been bred to be a performance and working version and you can tell straight away.
 
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twiggy2 said:
I think the act of shooting a dog that has attacked someone needs to stop being a 'difficult' one.
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Witnessing a dog screaming and in extreme discomfort and pain in the moments before death is not easy, the same as it's not easy when it is a human under attack. It's just a natural reaction and I think that's where there is difficulty.

With the caveat that I'd challenge anyone criticising the actions of the police, to try and cleanly/quickly dispatch a small, muscly, fast-moving target in a built-up residential area.
The amount of internet experts that think tranquilizer darts would A) work or B) are readily and quickly available when ths general public is at risk, is insane. Also that someone could have just walked in and calmly taken the dog to be calmly PTS.
 
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I’ll never understand why some bully owners seem to be the only people who can’t accept breeds have characteristics engrained for centuries.

My corgis are well trained and well brought up. They are still bossy, headstrong, free thinking, drivey, like to herd things, like to guard the house and garden, like everyone to be in one place together, won’t think twice about telling you if they aren’t happy - cause it’s literally wired into their DNA, just as certain traits are with the bull breeds.
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Very well put P3LH

Same for my jrt. You need to remember what they are and what their DNA is.

On another topic I see loads of people advertising holiday lets with ‘we welcome all breeds inc XL bullies’ which is madness imho. Apart from the obvious risks I bet if anything happened their insurance companies would laugh in their faces.
 
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CorvusCorax said:
Witnessing a dog screaming and in extreme discomfort and pain in the moments before death is not easy, the same as it's not easy when it is a human under attack. It's just a natural reaction and I think that's where there is difficulty.

With the caveat that I'd challenge anyone criticising the actions of the police, to try and cleanly/quickly dispatch a small, muscly, fast-moving target in a built-up residential area.
The amount of internet experts that think tranquilizer darts would A) work or B) are readily and quickly available when ths general public is at risk, is insane. Also that someone could have just walked in and calmly taken the dog to be calmly PTS.
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Public thinking that dog is going anywhere in a vet clinic other than a catch pole and door crush for sedation followed by euthanasia is delusional. Would be far, far more distressing and terrifying for the dog.
 
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CorvusCorax said:
I don't think anyone except the most die hard XL bully fans or furmommies now dispute it's genetic? It's not 'something going on', it's nature/the product of their ancestry coming through.
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I’m not disputing that it is genetic, i just think its something more than just a genetically aggressive dog.

Spaniel rage has been linked to (but not proven to be) a form of seizure. I was just wondering out loud if something similar, in combination with a dog already genetically inclined to be aggressive is causing so many attacks.
 
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"It’s not the breed. It’s also not down to ownership."

PSNI stun gun was ‘ineffective’ on XL bully that bit man in Antrim flat

A stun gun fired by police at an XL bully that bit a man in his Co Antrim flat on Friday had no effect, the PSNI has said.
m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Soooo......what is it then? What could POSSIBLY cause so many dogs with close breeding to 'just flip'. Somebody make it make sense.....
 
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CorvusCorax said:
"It’s not the breed. It’s also not down to ownership."

PSNI stun gun was ‘ineffective’ on XL bully that bit man in Antrim flat

A stun gun fired by police at an XL bully that bit a man in his Co Antrim flat on Friday had no effect, the PSNI has said.
m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Soooo......what is it then? What could POSSIBLY cause so many dogs with close breeding to 'just flip'. Somebody make it make sense.....
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No doubt it was the bad owners they rescued their little fur baby from :rolleyes:
 
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CorvusCorax said:
"It’s not the breed. It’s also not down to ownership."

PSNI stun gun was ‘ineffective’ on XL bully that bit man in Antrim flat

A stun gun fired by police at an XL bully that bit a man in his Co Antrim flat on Friday had no effect, the PSNI has said.
m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Soooo......what is it then? What could POSSIBLY cause so many dogs with close breeding to 'just flip'. Somebody make it make sense.....
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Perwonally I dont think he liked the wall paper in his room (of course this translates to the dog spends plenty of time isolated, I wonder why?)
I mean seriously f### me, its not the breed or the ownership' I dunno maybe its the little butterfly that flew past and whispered in the dogs ear, that must be it as a poster said earlier you hear of far more attacks in good weather (which you do), its the butterfly's....
 
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Pippity said:
A pony on a yard near me got attacked by something Patterdale-ish the other day. Rider okay, other than a few bruises, but the pony has needed a lot of stitching up.

We get so many people saying horses shouldn't be out in public, but this was on private land, where the dog wasn't allowed. We aren't safe anywhere.
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I saw some of the comments on that, a lot were 'LOOK, any dog can cause injury or harm, so why are you picking on XL bullies' which was a point I used to make about APBTs and is broadly something I agree with, but you can't argue with the statistics.

I am going to sound like Judgey McJudgeface here but after several days doomscrolling comments sections on news sites, when there is so much stupid in the world and especially when so many stupid people seem drawn to large, powerful dogs with a genetic screw loose, I don't know what sort of chance we have as a species.
 
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conniegirl said:
I’m not disputing that it is genetic, i just think its something more than just a genetically aggressive dog.

Spaniel rage has been linked to (but not proven to be) a form of seizure. I was just wondering out loud if something similar, in combination with a dog already genetically inclined to be aggressive is causing so many attacks.
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The article below will be interesting for you, CG

How half of all XL bully dogs in Britain are descended from ‘notorious’ LA fighting dog ‘Killer Kimbo’

Half of XL bully dogs in Britain are descendants of an inbred pet from the US linked to multiple deaths and violent incidents, it has emerged.
www.lbc.co.uk
 
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misst said:
She says she treated him like a baby with his own bedroom... deluded I think. I can't believe she still defends the breed. "He just flipped" -I bet he did -because he was genetically programed to do it🙁
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This is part of the problem if you ask me, they are dogs, not babies and they should be treated like dogs, not babies. People get away with it with little/tolerant/ nice natured dogs.
 
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Pippity said:
A pony on a yard near me got attacked by something Patterdale-ish the other day. Rider okay, other than a few bruises, but the pony has needed a lot of stitching up.

We get so many people saying horses shouldn't be out in public, but this was on private land, where the dog wasn't allowed. We aren't safe anywhere.
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A terrier bred for hunting & killing, really, what do people expect?
 
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marmalade76 said:
A terrier bred for hunting & killing, really, what do people expect?
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I love me a terrier but it is absolutely true that their go to response to stress/anxiety/extreme arousal etc is to set forth with all the teeth and all the noise. But a small terrier that goes that determinedly at something the size of a horse is very unusual and is a dog I would probably be making an end of life decision on. I would also seriously doubt that this was the first incident with this dog.

It also does confuse me a little when XL bully enthusiasts hold up terriers being lary as a 'see, not the breed' argument for XL bullies. Because, yes terriers can be tricky beggers, so why anyone would want to develop one the size of a mastiff is beyond me. But I guess they don't get the connection. It would be like breeding an Australian cattle dog to the size of a malamute and then marketing it as an ideal family pet.
 
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Landcruiser said:
The article below will be interesting for you, CG

How half of all XL bully dogs in Britain are descended from ‘notorious’ LA fighting dog ‘Killer Kimbo’

Half of XL bully dogs in Britain are descendants of an inbred pet from the US linked to multiple deaths and violent incidents, it has emerged.
www.lbc.co.uk
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This has been posted before. What I cant find is any update to the work that was being done to try and identify the genes involved. Has anyone seen anything?
 
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Every time I see something like this it makes me realise how close I came to losing floyd. He is about 95% ok now, over a year after the attack and hundreds in vets, physios, osteos and hours and hours of rehab work with him. The damage to his back and neck will always be a weak spot now, but he's alive and well and happy. He has started doing zoomies on his walks again, and last night had a play with agility stuff and looked so sound and good I could have cried.
 
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