Smitty
Well-Known Member
Err ???
Another fatal dog attack
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Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
How do they propose doing that? DNA testing? At whose expense? And what about the lovely family dogs (yes, we all know there are some amongst the bullys) Are they going to just take dogs away?
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
I hope so. Lovely family dog until it bites someone's kid.
Goldenstar
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I think they will DNA test perhaps ay our expense perhaps at the owners if they wish to fight a destruction order.
Landcruiser
Well-Known Member
I just had a look on Preloved. There are any number of young XL bullies for rehoming, and all for behaviour related issues.. "Keeps knocking my pregnant wife over," "Doesn't know his own strength, lol," "Had a fight with my mastiff," etc. Almost all of the adds say "Good with kids." This one made my blood run cold - 1 yr old husky x XLB. 2 pictures of 2 different small kids with their faces shoved in his.
marmalade76
Well-Known Member
They'd probably have to abide by the current laws in place that apply to banned breeds, they must pass temperament tests and be neutered and muzzled when out.
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Exactly, we have never seen so many deaths and serious incidents involving one breed .
Its extremely sad, tragic in fact but we can’t ignore this .
Boulty
Well-Known Member
I think given that there is discussion in circles that care about the breed about there being a genetic predisposition to unpredictable aggression in certain lines that are likely to be prevalent in this country then it is sensible to at least consider banning the import, breeding & sale of them for the moment, PTS of any dog of this breed that has shown any tendency towards aggression (towards people or other dogs) & requiring the rest to be muzzled in a public place & see what this does to dog attack stats.
If they can find a genetic marker and come up with a testing scheme/ way to breed this out of the breed and it seems that breeders in the US are complying then maybe this could be reviewed.
I think questions do need to be asked about why a breed / type present in such relatively small numbers is involved in such a large percentage of attacks on people & why so many of them are fatal.
Do I think the government are going to go about the implementation of this in a sensible way that will make a positive difference? Probably not & I agree it’s probably a tactic to distract/ deflect from the fact they have failed to deliver on so many of their pledges with an election on the horizon.
If they can find a genetic marker and come up with a testing scheme/ way to breed this out of the breed and it seems that breeders in the US are complying then maybe this could be reviewed.
I think questions do need to be asked about why a breed / type present in such relatively small numbers is involved in such a large percentage of attacks on people & why so many of them are fatal.
Do I think the government are going to go about the implementation of this in a sensible way that will make a positive difference? Probably not & I agree it’s probably a tactic to distract/ deflect from the fact they have failed to deliver on so many of their pledges with an election on the horizon.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Oh, it's way beyond asking questions at this point, don't you think? Frankly I'm not curious, it's pretty obvious.
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
We should never even think about importing these types of breeds from anywhere .
We don’t need them here .
We don’t need them here .
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Perhaps the importing of any dogs from outside of our country should be looked at. We are overrun with dogs on our small island and don’t need to rehome from other countries especially the larger breeds who can do so much damage ..
oldandgold
Well-Known Member
Have just read that the owner of the dogs involved in the latest attack has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter, the dogs are believed to be XL Bullies but
further tests are being carried out.
further tests are being carried out.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Let’s hope they throw the book at him, it’s about time that people with viscous dogs took more care about keeping them under control. I’m finding all these attacks really frightening as I’ve got small dogs who wouldn’t stand a chance and I’m older and not as strong as I used to be so I wouldn’t stand a chance either
tristar
Well-Known Member
the government intends to work on defining the breed or type, not sure how they can when they are probably crossed anyway, just by looking at them?
there was another attack by xl on sunday
there was another attack by xl on sunday
skinnydipper
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Brutal XL Bully attack savages boy, 4, while playing with his brother in London park
www.mylondon.news
Brutal XL Bully attack savages boy, 4, while playing with his brother in park
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE - The small boy remains in hospital with five bite marks to his leg
tristar
Well-Known Member
i am thinking of carrying something to deter, shall we say, dogs
i have been bitten a couple of times and have a small J R one chomp and he would be gone,
i do not like in general the way people let their dogs run up to other dogs and me
that is putting it lightly
at lot of those dogs take hold and do not let go, many are too large to be able to kick or fight off and inflict serious injury, its not like one bite and they run off
a neighbour with a japanese akita has allowed his dog to savage sheep in the past and attack a small dog in a park
i have been bitten a couple of times and have a small J R one chomp and he would be gone,
i do not like in general the way people let their dogs run up to other dogs and me
that is putting it lightly
at lot of those dogs take hold and do not let go, many are too large to be able to kick or fight off and inflict serious injury, its not like one bite and they run off
a neighbour with a japanese akita has allowed his dog to savage sheep in the past and attack a small dog in a park
Cortez
Tough but Fair
What does it matter if they are crosses?. I don't understand the need to fine-tune the "breed" as such: there are enough characteristics that are common to these types of dogs that it should be simple enough to define "of pitbull type" and leave it at that.
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
I accept it would make no difference to the wanna have breeds at the moment, but the KC need to temperament test register sires of every breed from chis to spaniels.
But mainly people need to be less stupid.
But mainly people need to be less stupid.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
Relatively small numbers-owned by dodgy people (sometimes). Who mentioned the other day that there was an interview on LBC and the breeder of the dogs said he sold to drug dealers to put money on the table? If this is the kind of person who owns the dog, then there you go. I have not yet met any middle class types with xl bullies-think I've come across 3 so far, one of which barked at my OH who said he actually felt intimidated and he is Mr Dog wrangler at work. None of the owners struck me as responsible, one had a Dogue de Bordeaux, which made me think she simply wants large scary dogs, I could of course be very wrong.
I know he's a small boy, but the bit mark covered his whole leg, it was horrible to see.Brutal XL Bully attack savages boy, 4, while playing with his brother in London park
Brutal XL Bully attack savages boy, 4, while playing with his brother in park
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE - The small boy remains in hospital with five bite marks to his leg
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
If only! And can we ask them to ban breeding from dogs with major health issues, too? Also, I see why bitches can only have 4 litters (?), but why can dogs have prolific amounts when they have known problems? Drives me nuts.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Plenty of people import dogs responsibly and have been doing so for years, there's plenty of non-problematic breeds that wouldn't exist were it not for importation, my middle dog was imported in 2012 and my young female's mother in 2017. They weren't rehomes and certainly in the case of my male, a lot of meticulous research was done into lines etc.
The problem is caused by people who aren't doing it responsibly, bringing in vanloads of dogs with dodgy paperwork at a time, not enough checks being carried out at ports, what seems like the fetish-isation/kudos associated with foreign rescue, etc.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Expecting the kennel clubs to rigidly enforce anything is pie in the sky. They are businesses first and foremost, not true registries or regulatory bodies.
I'm Dun
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Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I agree with random street dogs. Better to educate and neuter in their home country, particularly with infectious disease control in mind, but with small gene pools in some breeds in the UK, I can understand why some people import if they're after lowering the co-efficient.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
And thus not having tiny gene pools with heritable health and temperament issues, which is the main problem here, apparently.
twiggy2
Well-Known Member
You see I don't understand why it was funny before you knew what breed the dog was?
twiggy2
Well-Known Member
When people become scared of the cute puppy they bought qhen it grows into a adolescent thug and the rescues don't have space and the vet refuses to PTS what can people do?I sincerely hope its not true that these dogs are being abandoned on the streets. I'd hate to meet a pack of them.
Terrified owners are dumping dangerous XL Bully dogs where they roam streets
People fearing attack from their own pets are abandoning them while dog rescue centres are being swamped with the breed.www.express.co.uk
The dogs shouldn't be being bred as they are, they shouldn't be homed to people who have no idea what they are taking on, they shouldn't be let down like they are and it's is entirely the fault of the humans but the choices are few.
Every aspect of it all is wrong and personally I don't believe vets should be allowed to refuse euthanasia at owners request regardless of the reason for the request. I believe the owner is being responsible in making sure the dog can come to no harm or cause no harm.
bonny
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Have you heard of a vet refusing to pts a bully dog ? I can’t imagine they would.
Landcruiser
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I've been contacted in the past by a member of staff at a vets looking for an alternative for a dog booked in to be PTS over what was considered a minor infraction (not a Bully) I just passed some contact details on.
The problem is that you can only trust what the owner says when it's booked in, the real reason may be worse/not as bad.
The problem is that you can only trust what the owner says when it's booked in, the real reason may be worse/not as bad.