Another fatal dog attack

[Chucho]

UK owners of existing American XL bully dogs face new rules but no cull

Dogs will have to be registered and kept leashed and muzzled in public, says chief veterinary officer

www.theguardian.com

I've not seen the stats on dog-on-dog attacks by XL bullies before - apparently they are responsible for 70% of dog-on-dog attack deaths since 2021. Shocking.

 

[conniegirl]

Regardless of breed, leaving a small child alone with (and in reach of) a dog is poor parenting, and will likely be seen as a safeguarding issue if the child is harmed.

This!!!
I had a beagle and still have a border terrier, both wonderful dogs. Tried and tested with kids and both love cuddles with children.
I never left my child alone with them. For thier sake as well as my childs.

Unfortunately beagle died in January but my border is still with us. My 2 yearold can walk her on lead and she loves the attention (and tbh food) that she gets from my daughter but when they are playing together there is very very close adult supervision.

 

[skinnydipper]

Wish they'd gone further and ordered the destruction of these bully dogs right away including the smaller ones.

I agree.

The pocket bully is an American Bully x Patterdale, which doesn't seem to me to be a great combination.

Dad reveals moment five-year-old daughter’s face ‘ripped off’ by American Bully

SHOCKING photos show the injuries of a young girl who was mauled by a dog outside a Nisa store. Farrah-Leigh Nichol, five, had gone to stroke the Pocket Bully after asking permission from the owner…

www.thesun.co.uk

another

Man fined after unprovoked dog bites girl, 14, leaving her needing hospital trip

The girl suffered bites to her chest and needed hospital treatment after the attack in Blackburn.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

 

[skinnydipper]

It is amazing how many XL Bully owners who are speaking out publicly about the proposed ban evidence the safety and non-aggressiveness of their dog solely by stating "I trust him alone with my baby/toddler".

It makes me angry that people are still trying to defend this breed, the perfect family dog and all that crap.

I didn't post a link to the video on here out of respect for the victim and his family. It was worse than anything I could have imagined.

People say that banning the bully XL will mean that because of the ban there will be an even worse breed in the future, I honestly don't think there could be anything worse than those dogs in the video.

 

[skinnydipper]

If XL bully lovers don't want to see their darling 'furbaby' euthanised, I suggest they crack on getting it spayed/neutered, muzzle trained, keep it leashed and under control.

 

[splashgirl45]

This!!!
I had a beagle and still have a border terrier, both wonderful dogs. Tried and tested with kids and both love cuddles with children.
I never left my child alone with them. For thier sake as well as my childs.

Unfortunately beagle died in January but my border is still with us. My 2 yearold can walk her on lead and she loves the attention (and tbh food) that she gets from my daughter but when they are playing together there is very very close adult supervision.

You are so right, no dog however loving and trustworthy should be left alone with a child let alone a baby, this is why I think we could do with some sort of tv coverage warning people of the dangers of leaving any dog alone with children and I include kids up to about 12 years old.
When my niece came to see me with her 6 month old baby I kept my 2 terriers on lead all of the time and my old collie (age 14)was loose until the baby was on the floor and I got her to sit by me and not go anywhere near the baby. You cannot be too cautious as far as I’m concerned

 

[equinerebel]

If XL bully lovers don't want to see their darling 'furbaby' euthanised, I suggest they crack on getting it spayed/neutered, muzzle trained, keep it leashed and under control.

I know someone with an XL. He’s furious that the breed is being banned but is also refusing to leash, muzzle and neuter his soon to be banned breed

 

[skinnydipper]

I know someone with an XL. He’s furious that the breed is being banned but is also refusing to leash, muzzle and neuter his soon to be banned breed

If he loved his dog he would do what he could to keep it safe. His ego must be more important than his dog.

 

[equinerebel]

I have just seen the video of IP being mauled by the two bullies. I don’t know why I clicked it, morbid curiosity? I wish I hadn’t. Some things you can’t unsee.

What struck me the most was how relatively calm the dogs were. I guess I’d expected a really high energy attack, and I guess that’s probably how it started, but by the time of the video they were clamped on and just not letting go no matter what people did to them.

But please, do learn from me. Don’t watch the video if it appears on your social media. I feel disgusting and that I have disrespected the victim by seeing that.

 

[equinerebel]

If he loved his dog he would do what he could to keep it safe. His ego must be more important than his dog.

And that’s the problem. He’s never owned dogs before. He bought this dog as an ego thing.

 

[Cortez]

If XL bully lovers don't want to see their darling 'furbaby' euthanised, I suggest they crack on getting it spayed/neutered, muzzle trained, keep it leashed and under control.

Apart from the need to muzzle, surely every responsible owner would neuter and keep their dog leashed and under control anyway? And microchip, collar tag and vaccinate it too.

 

[skinnydipper]

Apart from the need to muzzle, surely every responsible owner would neuter and keep their dog leashed and under control anyway? And microchip, collar tag and vaccinate it too.

The key word here is responsible.

Microchipping has been compulsory here since 2016. The local dog warden is still picking up dogs with no chip.

 

[malwhit]

When I see an XL Bully or any bull breed, in most cases I am more concerned about the attitude and behaviour of the owner. They buy them because they think they look aggressive. Then they encourage what most of us would consider aggressive behaviour

I do feel sorry for the caring Bully owners & their trained/sociable dogs. Once again, the innocent are penalised, not the breeders/suppliers and owners of the aggressive dogs.

 

[Cortez]

I do feel sorry for the caring Bully owners & their trained/sociable dogs. Once again, the innocent are penalised, not the breeders/suppliers and owners of the aggressive dogs.

How are they to be penalised? All they have to do is put a muzzle on their dog in public, everything else (leash, neuter, microchip) is just normal stuff.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Not sure if this link will work but it came up on my FB page this morning, makes my blood run cold, some people are just plain stupid and shouldn't have dogs or children.


https://www.facebook.com/reel/224247096964874

 

[paddy555]

Not sure if this link will work but it came up on my FB page this morning, makes my blood run cold, some people are just plain stupid and shouldn't have dogs or children.


https://www.facebook.com/reel/224247096964874

dog just eyeing up his dinner.

seriously though if that dog is muzzled in public, neutered etc how is it going to stop it eating that baby at home?

I don't see, other than a destroy and ban, anything is going to change the attitude of those parents who put their baby and others in danger..

people seem to be putting forward lots of videos with bullies and babies to demonstrate how sweet they are.. If they put some videos of bullies doing obedience work it would be slightly more convincing.

 

[skinnydipper]

It could be the owner/environment that's causing the problem.

If a dog has bitten what has it gone through before it got the point where it felt it had no option but to bite? How many signs were missed? Why was help not sought sooner?

A different environment with a different owner could make all the difference.

Just to come back to this topic for a moment.

Why would a vet refuse to put a dog to sleep at the request of the owner?

An 8 month old GSD puppy was taken to the vet to be PTS because he pulled the owner over.

 

[Gloi]

The key word here is responsible.

Microchipping has been compulsory here since 2016. The local dog warden is still picking up dogs with no chip.

No chip =pts immediately. People may think twice then.

 

[CorvusCorax]

No chip =pts immediately. People may think twice then.

Chips can travel and work their way out or be cut out by ner-do-wells. My friend's dog had to be re-chipped as we couldn't find it over several hours with three scanners. I know a police dog with three chips. Shit happens, it shouldn't equal a death sentence.

 

[paddy555]

No chip =pts immediately. People may think twice then.

that's a bit harsh.
I think we should have an "offence" if you are stopped and cannot produce the ins cert, neutering cert, registration doc plus the muzzle and lead requirements. The dog is seized immediately and the owner taken for questioning. They then have say 12 hours to produce the doc. It would be up to the owner to check the dog was chipped and whereabouts the chip was. It if can't be found then rechip.
These docs could be kept on a phone for example so it would be no hardship for genuine owners to have everything to hand. The registration doc registration could in fact include neuter and ins. details.
Dog is released up to 12 hours, after that there is a release fee payable before release plus a daily kennelling charge. No docs in say 7 days without reasonable excuse and then destruction.


The aim would be to separate genuine owners from the others. Registration would fund wardens for at home spot checks. It would soon become clear who the genuine owners were and they could be left alone or advice given to make things safer.

 

[conniegirl]

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2023-09-17/woman-in-hospital-after-being-attacked-by-dog

Yet another one

 

[Goldenstar]

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Just to come back to this topic for a moment.

Why would a vet refuse to put a dog to sleep at the request of the owner?

An 8 month old GSD puppy was taken to the vet to be PTS because he pulled the owner over.

I have known several pets who lived long lives with vets and vet nurses receptionists etc , I think the thing if a a bite history you can’t be too careful .

 

[MurphysMinder]

Chips can travel and work their way out or be cut out by ner-do-wells. My friend's dog had to be re-chipped as we couldn't find it over several hours with three scanners. I know a police dog with three chips. Shit happens, it shouldn't equal a death sentence.

When my GSD went for hip and elbow scoring in June they couldn't find her chip. The vets did believe me that she was chipped so kept searching, and found it under her chest. I have seen a dog warden do a very quick sweep for a chip over the wither area, if they had done that to my girl she would have been deemed not chipped.

 

[CorvusCorax]

My old male's is on the lower side of his right shoulder. I've seen them turn up down legs.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I do worry for what breed will come next, or where the focus will shift to. I just really, really, hope it won't be Mastiffs, but my gut feeling isn't exactly good.

 

[ycbm]

Chips can travel and work their way out or be cut out by ner-do-wells. My friend's dog had to be re-chipped as we couldn't find it over several hours with three scanners. I know a police dog with three chips. Shit happens, it shouldn't equal a death sentence.

And fail. I saw the one put into my cat and then tested, but when we came to program the cat door two months later it couldn't be found.

 

[SadKen]

There has been a somewhat reassuring reaction on social media. Plenty of the usual ‘my baby wouldn’t hurt anyone’ with a photo of a giant bully sitting with a fixed stare and rigid lip next to a defenceless infant. But lots of people saying that the breeding is out of hand, the dogs are owned by idiots, and lack of training is a big problem. Many also roundly called out the ‘I don’t want anyone to hurt my baby by neutering it’ when ‘my baby’ has cropped ears. Almost universal disgust for that. I was surprised it wasn’t universal approval for the protection of XL and ‘my dog wouldn’t… nanny dog… never hurt a fly’.

Look up ladbible’s Facebook report on the utter imbecile who bred his XL to his sister’s XL and got 18 puppies all by accident.

Perhaps the punishment should be more severe for any incident involving large/heavy dogs. Removes the need for measurements beyond basic height and weight. But as with all other legislation, useless if not enforced, and what happened to Ian Price proves today’s legislation is not enforced. At all. So new legislation won’t be either.

 

[rabatsa]

A few years ago before covid, I was at Pets@Home for a greyhound meet and greet. A family came in with an XL bully pup, with cropped ears, supposedly imported from America but only 10 weeks old if that. They had it on the floor and expected it to follow them, instead it headed out of the door back into the carpark. Turns out that they had come into the store shopping for a collar/lead/food/bowls/bed ect. I feel that was one dog set up to fail in all ways.

 

[Moobli]

I have just seen the video of IP being mauled by the two bullies. I don’t know why I clicked it, morbid curiosity? I wish I hadn’t. Some things you can’t unsee.

What struck me the most was how relatively calm the dogs were. I guess I’d expected a really high energy attack, and I guess that’s probably how it started, but by the time of the video they were clamped on and just not letting go no matter what people did to them.

But please, do learn from me. Don’t watch the video if it appears on your social media. I feel disgusting and that I have disrespected the victim by seeing that.

I saw it too and poor IP wasn’t putting up any sort of fight by the time the video was taken but those b**tard dogs weren’t for giving up. What possesses a dog behave in this way?! I really don’t know what I’d do in that situation. Would a fire extinguisher to the face stop the attack? Boiling water poured over the dog? Everyone seems too shocked and confused to help poor IP. It’s a horrifying video, absolutely horrifying.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Just been looking at xl bully adverts on a pet selling website. Lots of them for £500, I’m imagining breeders want shot quickly given the proposed ban.