Another fatal dog attack

[MagicMelon]

There was a local person to me who wrote on the village facebook page a few days ago how she owns a bully and pointing out that her dog is lovely and so sweet with her kids (young ages down to a baby...). She said it was a young dog and explained that it did growl at people when out on walks through the village but only because it was "nervous" but if strangers quietly came over to stroke him he was fine and that it was good for his training. So this woman was actively encouraging strangers to come up to her GROWLING, YOUNG and NERVOUS dog because it was good for his training. Honestly it was insane. And all the replies where along the lines of "oh you're such a good owner" and "I saw him yesterday and he's so sweet". Can't believe it. What happens if another dog (say an off-lead dog) runs up to her one, if its nervous then surely thats a recipe for disaster right there. I dont trust any dog, especially round kids. Even my own extremely nice natured labradoodle Im very careful my young kids dont annoy her or get too close to her in her bed in case they fell on her or something.

Does anyone know, of all these recent attacks - did they attack their owners / people they knew or was it total strangers?

 

[fankino04]

Cane corso I think

That's what ithought but he has 2 other cane corsos on his website that he lists as CCs so just wondering why this one doesn't have a breed listed.

 

[cobgoblin]

I'm beginning to think a cull is needed, to save these people from themselves.Although it will never happen.

It strikes me that these dogs ARE lovely, until suddenly they are not.

 

[TPO]

I'm beginning to think a cull is needed, to save these people from themselves.Although it will never happen.

It strikes me that these dogs ARE lovely, until suddenly they are not.

I'd support a cull of the idiot people if that helps

 

[Irish-Only]

You see I don't understand why it was funny before you knew what breed the dog was?

Because any dog can want to chase the ducks and be told no, and have you never smiled at some dog wishing it could swim as fast as the waterlife as the owner hangs on? It stopped being funny being told the breed/type and knowing that it could and would go given the slightest chance, and in any direction and after anything. That's why.

 

[Irish-Only]

I don't know if this has been shared https://bullywatch.link/ For anyone who is interested the article on genetics and Killer Kimbo is particularly worrying.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

That's what ithought but he has 2 other cane corsos on his website that he lists as CCs so just wondering why this one doesn't have a breed listed.

Looks like a Cane Corso. Could be pure error or forgetful need when designing the page? The dog could also be a mix/not a purebred.

I love the Cane Corso (I have one) and am really afraid of these XL Bully people moving into mastiffs.

Mine is a smaller type and not so saggy in the face, and I find that there is some variance within the breed, but there are some core traits of course.

Mine was nervous and apprehensive as a younger pup, and now she wants to be friends with everyone (possibly learned that from our Lab ) and exudes confidence instead of fear or aggression. It's funny how proper training and socialization can work.

I've seen many CC's do quite well in social environments (competitions, volunteering events, and other social occasions). I've also seen aggression promoted and people thinking it's awesome that their dog stands at the end of a chain and growls at people.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

"Kimbo was bred by Los Angeles-based breeder, Gustavo Castro, and is reportedly born from a brother-sister pairing, with his grandparents sharing the same father.

According to BullyWatch, Kimbo was purposely inbred to create a larger, more muscular frame."

What the actual f*ck?


I will say, at least some mastiffs or other guardian breeds are older breeds where you can find some good lineage and quality working animals. In some cases you can find some good lines that have been temperament tested. With XL bully types, I don't think so.

 

[Chucho]

Are XL bullies a thing in other countries, e.g. Germany? I can't help but wonder if the attraction is that pit bulls are banned in the UK, and these look like pibbles on steroids but aren't classified as them (I don't know why, it seems like they are of the same type to me). I wonder too if part of the attraction is that their breeding isn't regulated by a breed society, unlike rotties, mastiffs, etc., so there's no one to defend the breed and unscrupulous people can make it whatever they want it to be. In the end I just feel sorry for the poor bl00dy dogs - they didn't ask to be born this way.

 

[skinnydipper]

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[Errin Paddywack]

Back when the DDA was created we didn't have the rather more accurate DNA testing that we have now. I would have thought that by DNA testing the killer dogs and finding out what their breed makeup is that they could establish a way to check any suspect dogs. I know in the past cases have been quoted of dogs being classed as pitbulls etc just on measurements when the owners had their breed registration papers to show they weren't. I seem to remember one was a labrador.

 

[twiggy2]

Because any dog can want to chase the ducks and be told no, and have you never smiled at some dog wishing it could swim as fast as the waterlife as the owner hangs on? It stopped being funny being told the breed/type and knowing that it could and would go given the slightest chance, and in any direction and after anything. That's why.

But the dog would still have looked the same, big, strong and muscular? Would still have been capable of causing harm. Any dog can redirect.
Personally I don't find owners having to hang on or not being in control of dogs funny, nope.

 

[Keith_Beef]

can't train ivy up a wall

I'm going to use that, the next time somebody tries to give me training of the standard that I got last week.

(To be fair he's just a colleague who has never been taught how to prepare and deliver training.)

 

[Cortez]

Back when the DDA was created we didn't have the rather more accurate DNA testing that we have now. I would have thought that by DNA testing the killer dogs and finding out what their breed makeup is that they could establish a way to check any suspect dogs. I know in the past cases have been quoted of dogs being classed as pitbulls etc just on measurements when the owners had their breed registration papers to show they weren't. I seem to remember one was a labrador.

It beggars belief that anyone could mistake a labrador for a pitbull, although I suppose knowing the general awareness of just about anything I shouldn't be surprised ......

 

[CorvusCorax]

It beggars belief that anyone could mistake a labrador for a pitbull, although I suppose knowing the general awareness of just about anything I shouldn't be surprised ......

I'm not sure about a pure Labrador, but a Staff x Labrador would (and I think, did) reasonably meet the measurements/requirements to satisfy that it was 'of APBT type'.
Because like the XL bully, it's a 'type', not 'a breed' as definied by the FCI member/affiliate in GB, which is *supposed* to take care of all things cynological.

 

[Clodagh]

It would be a start if they just pts anything that matches Kimbo, dna wise. Would there be any left though?

 

[Cortez]

I'm not sure about a pure Labrador, but a Staff x Labrador would (and I think, did) reasonably meet the measurements/requirements to satisfy that it was 'of APBT type'.
Because like the XL bully, it's a 'type', not 'a breed' as definied by the FCI member/affiliate in GB, which is *supposed* to take care of all things cynological.

Ah well, that puts a difference spin on it then (not a lab, but a cross that presumably favoured the non-labrador parent).

 

[cauda equina]

It would be a start if they just pts anything that matches Kimbo, dna wise. Would there be any left though?

Would it be a bad thing if there weren't?

 

[skinnydipper]

It beggars belief that anyone could mistake a labrador for a pitbull, although I suppose knowing the general awareness of just about anything I shouldn't be surprised ......

A BBC Panorama programme was able to import a pit bull into England from Finland, he came via Dublin and NI. The breed given on his papers was labrador cross boxer.

After filming Nipper was safely transported to the Republic of Ireland.

 

[skinnydipper]

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Pitbull semen from America used to breed XL bullies in UK


"Despite a ban on pit bull breeding in Britain, American kennels charge up to £16,000 for frozen semen, which is legal, and ship it to the UK to produce XL Bully puppies.

The apparent loophole suggests hundreds of American Bully dogs on British streets, including the XL variety, are in fact at least half pit bull terrier."

Pit bull semen from America used to breed XL Bullies in UK

US kennels charging up to £16,000 to ship frozen material abroad to create the large dogs

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[cauda equina]

I'm amazed that importing semen is legal
You would think if you ban a breed that would include any reproductive elements too

 

[CorvusCorax]

Which brings us back to there having been dogs 'of type' on the streets for 30 years with nothing much being done about it under the terms of the current DDA.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I'm amazed that importing semen is legal
You would think if you ban a breed that would include any reproductive elements too

I don't think AI was a massive thing in dogs in 1991.

 

[CorvusCorax]

So for instance, that guy I spoke about earlier who's a nice middle class chap who attends the cricket club and has a (completely dog and person neutral) long legged blue bull type - he's the type that the police will probably come knocking for, and he probably will hand his dog over because he seems like a normal law abiding person. In the estates and the inner cities, will that be happening? Did it ever?

 

[Cortez]

So for instance, that guy I spoke about earlier who's a nice middle class chap who attends the cricket club and has a (completely dog and person neutral) long legged blue bull type - he's the type that the police will probably come knocking for, and he probably will hand his dog over because he seems like a normal law abiding person. In the estates and the inner cities, will that be happening? Did it ever?

But if he's such a nice middle class cricketing chap I expect he'll have no problem leashing, neutering and muzzling his dog (and may even have already microchipped it), so the police won't have any need to take his dog from him, will they?

 

[CorvusCorax]

But if he's such a nice middle class cricketing chap I expect he'll have no problem leashing, neutering and muzzling his dog (and may even have already microchipped it), so the police won't have any need to take his dog from him, will they?

Any time I see her she's on a leash anyway. I was of the understanding that most dogs have to be impounded for the tests to be carried out but let's see what happens!

 

[skinnydipper]

Prof Christine Middlemiss, UK's Chief Veterinary Officer said

"There will be an amnesty. So people that already have these dogs - and some of them will be well socialised, well managed, well trained - you will need to register and take certain actions.
Your dog will need to be neutered. It will need to be muzzled when out in public and on a lead and insured.
But if you comply with these actions, and that means we'll know where these dogs are, which will be a massive benefit, then yes, absolutely you will be able to keep your dog."

 

[skinnydipper]

Which brings us back to there having been dogs 'of type' on the streets for 30 years with nothing much being done about it under the terms of the current DDA.

The Government need to work harder and close any loopholes which allow pitbulls or their semen to be imported into the UK.

 

[marmalade76]

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Pitbull semen from America used to breed XL bullies in UK


"Despite a ban on pit bull breeding in Britain, American kennels charge up to £16,000 for frozen semen, which is legal, and ship it to the UK to produce XL Bully puppies.

The apparent loophole suggests hundreds of American Bully dogs on British streets, including the XL variety, are in fact at least half pit bull terrier."

Pit bull semen from America used to breed XL Bullies in UK

US kennels charging up to £16,000 to ship frozen material abroad to create the large dogs

www.telegraph.co.uk

According to the Bully Watch website all XL bullies are descended from pit bulls, it's the foundation breed so rather than "hundreds" being " at least half pit bull", they're all more like 90% pit bull and are therefore technically illegal in this country already.

 

[Cortez]

According to the Bully Watch website all XL bullies are descended from pit bulls, it's the foundation breed so rather than "hundreds" being " at least half pit bull", they're all more like 90% pit bull and are therefore technically illegal in this country already.

This is what confuses and confounds me; anybody with a functioning eyeball can see that they are pitbulls, I mean even the name tells you FGS. What kind of wonky legislation is your DDA? Don't answer that! I can see that it has never been properly applied and appears to be worded very strangely. I do rather feel sorry* for you lot over there, a bit


*and not just over the dogs thing, it all seems a bit of a mess........