Another fatal dog attack

[palo1]

He is not wrong. I did a lot of research (which included reading, hands on, discussions, and other training) when I got my first Cane Corso. I had been around them already quite a bit and made some observations, but I took things seriously. They, as most animals, need a clear understanding of boundaries. You don't need to be super alpha boss, but you do ultimately have to be the leader.

There is a bit more leeway with my Lab (and previous Labs), but with these other types that are, IMO, smarter than the average Lab, have a protective instinct, and are more of the "thinking for themselves" type, you really do need to be in the ball with things.

I think that some don't want to be labeled as abusive if they enforce something or reprimand their dog. If done right, it isn't abuse though. Sometimes even being firm, but fair, earns you a stink eye. God forbid you have defined boundaries and/or absolutes.

You do have to hit the ground running too. You can enjoy the cuteness of a puppy, but training starts the day that I acquire them. Some breedersbegin "planting the seeds" even before they go to their new homes. I think some are just like, "Oh, it's a puppy" and go on about it being adorable and it's ok for certain mistakes or behaviors because puppy. To some extent yes, a puppy is not a full grown and/or trained dog.



Funny thing, innit?

I think hitting the ground running with a pup is one of the best things you can do for it tbh. It is also something that I think many people with pets don't do. I am no expert at all but have seen multiple people NOT make the most of that magical learning space when a pup is young; to start recall and other basic/survival skills. And then when they hit 4 months old and are not just cute bundles of fluff, you have to work so much harder so many people give up. I am not talking about advanced training or any kind of work but really simple, safe stuff that can absolutely taught in tiny lessons with great fun. But yeah...people don't seem to bother or think it's important or helpful to them. The thought of any kind of pit bull type without basic manners, recall and 'rules' at even 6 months old is genuinely frightening.

 

[Clodagh]

Well, I'm not going to sit here and act like I don't verbally batter the Labrador when I see her eat poop

Now that I can totally ignore.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Among the many nonsense 'it's the owners blah blah blah' stuff coming up on my social media...a video where a solicitor specialising in dog bite claims, listed in their top five breeds involved in the cases they deal with were Akitas, Malamutes (yup, and yup, I can see both of those), JRTs (yup I think I get that), Collies (I can understand that too) and then... Greyhounds?!

Have I missed something?! The appeal for us was their rep as relatively easy first dogs and gentle nature. Perhaps I am deluded about 'my own' breed and it's like the 'nanny dogs' bs all over again?

 

[sky1000]

I am astonished that the judge in the postman case didn't order the dog to be pts. Would it have to have killed him?

 

[Chucho]

Among the many nonsense 'it's the owners blah blah blah' stuff coming up on my social media...a video where a solicitor specialising in dog bite claims, listed in their top five breeds involved in the cases they deal with were Akitas, Malamutes (yup, and yup, I can see both of those), JRTs (yup I think I get that), Collies (I can understand that too) and then... Greyhounds?!

Have I missed something?! The appeal for us was their rep as relatively easy first dogs and gentle nature. Perhaps I am deluded about 'my own' breed and it's like the 'nanny dogs' bs all over again?

I'm sure someone with more knowledge will be along, but, assuming the solicitor is correct about their own stats (rather than necessarily representing a national stat of most common dog breeds to bite), could it be due to nervous behaviour in some off the track greyhounds who have not had a normal home life start? That maybe find transitioning to pet homes difficult. Dogs can be gentle in nature but also anxious/lack confidence.

 

[Smitty]

Among the many nonsense 'it's the owners blah blah blah' stuff coming up on my social media...a video where a solicitor specialising in dog bite claims, listed in their top five breeds involved in the cases they deal with were Akitas, Malamutes (yup, and yup, I can see both of those), JRTs (yup I think I get that), Collies (I can understand that too) and then... Greyhounds?!

Have I missed something?! The appeal for us was their rep as relatively easy first dogs and gentle nature. Perhaps I am deluded about 'my own' breed and it's like the 'nanny dogs' bs all over again?

A friend had a few ex racers and one had to be destroyed as it went for people. It bit her cleaner who was alone in the house with it and it was white if I recall.

 

[millikins]

Among the many nonsense 'it's the owners blah blah blah' stuff coming up on my social media...a video where a solicitor specialising in dog bite claims, listed in their top five breeds involved in the cases they deal with were Akitas, Malamutes (yup, and yup, I can see both of those), JRTs (yup I think I get that), Collies (I can understand that too) and then... Greyhounds?!

Have I missed something?! The appeal for us was their rep as relatively easy first dogs and gentle nature. Perhaps I am deluded about 'my own' breed and it's like the 'nanny dogs' bs all over again?

I wonder if these claims are all bites to people? A previous dog of mine had a severe bite requiring multiple stitches from an ex racer, she was a big dog, the grey hound went on to kill another neighbour's small hairy dog, (it was then pts). I gather this is not uncommon, after all chasing small fluffy things is their job.

 

[cauda equina]

I saw the aftermath of 2 greyhounds killing a muntjac
It was terrifying as we were in woods and my terrier had been off the lead - it might have been him they went after

 

[rabatsa]

I have had a lot to do with retired racing greyhounds and not come across any that are out to get people. That trait is bred out of them as they get so well handled in order to race. Passed from trainer to track staff and vet checks before each race, are all with strangers handling them. This is to prevent doping. Any dodgy behaviour from the dog is not looked on kindly.

 

[skinnydipper]

I find it fascinating though that people, some on here, who have always been totally for positive training and all things can be taught with love and patience now actually agree that sometimes you have to tell a dog what to do.

Excuse me for not responding earlier to your post but yesterday was a long and tiring day, with one of our regular treks across the country to a specialist vet hospital, followed by an unrelated doggy emergency at home in the evening.

I won’t continue this conversation as I sound like a dog batterer. Just to say I never hit, kick or yank my dogs.

Then you must know that it is possible to have a well behaved canine companion who looks to you for guidance, without the use of aversive methods or tools.

ETA.

I am sure you know the history of my last dog who when he came to me was a behavioural mess. Patience, kindness, guidance, building a relationship built on trust were what turned him around. Any other approach would have broken him completely and irrevocably and I know that there are some who wouldn't have even given him a chance and would have had him pts.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

I wonder if these claims are all bites to people? A previous dog of mine had a severe bite requiring multiple stitches from an ex racer, she was a big dog, the grey hound went on to kill another neighbour's small hairy dog, (it was then pts). I gather this is not uncommon, after all chasing small fluffy things is their job.

Sorry, I 'liked' your post but I didn't really. I'm sorry to hear what happened to your dog and your neighbours dog.

 

[Clodagh]

Excuse me for not responding earlier to your post but yesterday was a long and tiring day, with one of our regular treks across the country to a specialist vet hospital, followed by an unrelated doggy emergency at home in the evening.


Then you must know that it is possible to have a well behaved canine companion who looks to you for guidance, without the use of aversive methods or tools.

ETA.

I am sure you know the history of my last dog who when he came to me was a behavioural mess. Patience, kindness, guidance, building a relationship built on trust were what turned him around. Any other approach would have broken him completely and irrevocably and I know that there are some who wouldn't have even given him a chance and would have had him pts.

I’m sorry you had such an awful day yesterday and I hope dog and you are feeling stronger today. It was you who up there above somewhere said these dogs can’t be trained too softly, whereas before you have always maintained that positive is all. I don’t have anywhere near your experience or knowledge I just think you have to deal with each dog individually, some can cope with a bellow or something being thrown at them, some can’t.
Anyway I’ve no argument with you, I just felt like pointing it out.

 

[skinnydipper]

It was you who up there above somewhere said these dogs can’t be trained too softly, whereas before you have always maintained that positive is all

I presume you are referring to this, which is not the same thing at all.

I don't believe in all the alpha nonsense but I do think the human has to be team leader. Somebody has to be in charge and I would rather it was me

But anyway, it's best we just move on.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I am astonished that the judge in the postman case didn't order the dog to be pts. Would it have to have killed him?

I do wonder if the offender and the judge shared a couple of spliffs before or after the hearing? (tongue in cheek before anyone decides to sue me, but then you could work away as I am stony broke anyway ) Ridiculously inappropriate sentencing. The dog should have been destroyed and the owner a lifelong ban on owning any dog. How can anything possibly change with extremely lenient sentencing decisions like that being handed out?

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I saw the aftermath of 2 greyhounds killing a muntjac
It was terrifying as we were in woods and my terrier had been off the lead - it might have been him they went after

I also witnessed a YO's greyhound ripping their terrier apart. Both had lived happily together with another greyhound for several years. I would not have a greyhound based on that, although I do love all the long dogs I have met other than that one greyhound.

 

[conniegirl]

Heard on the Radio this morning that there was another dog attack yesterday evening. A man in Sheffield apparently got mauled by a dog. Man is in serious condition in hospital but is not critical

 

[skinnydipper]

Heard on the Radio this morning that there was another dog attack yesterday evening. A man in Sheffield apparently got mauled by a dog. Man is in serious condition in hospital but is not critical

I've copied this for anyone not on Facebook.

MAN ARRESTED FOLLOWING DOG ATTACK IN SHEFFIELD
Officers investigating an incident where a dog bit a man in a Sheffield street have made an arrest.
At about 5.40pm yesterday (Tuesday 19 September) we were called by a member of the public to report another member of the public had been bitten by a dog on Handsworth Road.
The man received serious injuries to his arm and chest but these are not thought to be life-changing or life-threatening.
Officers trapped the dog – a bull mastiff-type dog - in a contained area and were eventually able to seize it and safely remove it from the location.
A 53-year-old man from Sheffield has now been arrested on suspicion of having a dangerous dog out of control and remains in police custody at this time as enquiries continue.
We are still looking to speak to anyone who witnessed the incident or who has CCTV or car dash cam footage which may have captured the incident can pass information to us via our online live chat, our online portal or by calling 101. Please quote incident number 716 of 19 September 2023 when you get in touch.
You can access our online portal here: www.southyorks.police.uk/contact-us/report-something/
Footage can be emailed to enquiries@southyorkshire.police.uk, and please include the above incident number in the email subject line.
Alternatively, if you prefer not to give your personal details, you can stay anonymous and pass on what you know by contacting the independent charity Crimestoppers. Call their UK Contact Centre on freephone 0800 555 111 or complete a simple and secure anonymous online form at Crimestoppers-uk.org

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I wonder what they'll do when they ban the XL-Bully or Bully types, or however they're going to define it, and then things slide over to "Mastiff types" or whatever. Never mind the issue with "type"

I get that Pitbulls are banned, and I wonder how many slid over to Bully due to that. If people want tough, aggressive, protective, big dogs, they're going to have them. They'll find a way. Unless the "control" of this is done right. Which will be very hard and I just don't have so much faith in the government and the public.

I think with some sort of Bully ban things may die down/settle for a bit, but I'm going to be exactly 0% surprised if/when this rears its ugly head again.

I'm not saying that there should not be a ban, or that there isn't a problem, I'm just saying that I don't think that this will be the end of it.

 

[J&T]

Here CCTV footage of the Sheffield attack and looks like the bull mastiff was originally going after another dog.

Moment man is dragged into the road as he tries to fight off dog

CCTV footage posted of the attack on Tuesday shows the man holding a small black dog aloft as a larger, tan-coloured canine appears to snap at his arm on Handsworth Road in Sheffield.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Keith_Beef]

Here CCTV footage of the Sheffield attack and looks like the bull mastiff was originally going after another dog.

Moment man is dragged into the road as he tries to fight off dog

CCTV footage posted of the attack on Tuesday shows the man holding a small black dog aloft as a larger, tan-coloured canine appears to snap at his arm on Handsworth Road in Sheffield.

www.google.co.uk

I won't watch that on the Daily Fail... far too much faffing around with cookies and illegitimate interest.

Here's a link to the Independent.

Contrary to the Daily Fail headline, the man is not "dragged into the road". The tan dog (quite a small one, if it's a mastiff cross) goes after the man's small black dog. In his panic he lifts up his dog by the leash and swings it around, trips over his own feet and stumbles into the road.

But in fairness this is pointed out lower down: "He loses his balance and falls into the street in Sheffield"

But hey, it's the Fail.

MUST BE DRAMATIC, TRY TO INDUCE PANIC OVER THESE DEVIL DOGS1!1!!11!1!!!!11

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Could be a Bull Mastiff (a smaller one though) or a mix of sorts. Hard to say.

That motorist had impeccable timing and thinking.

Edit: Interestingly the car seemed to impress the dog enough that it let go and just seems to stop. It could've easily went for the smaller dog immediately. It does go after the smaller dog (follows it off to somewhere), but I didn't read anything about it sustaining injuries?

 

[Peglo]

Every time I watch these dog attack videos, wether on a human, another dog or horse it makes me feel sick. I hope the man and his wee dog recover quickly, as well as all the other victims of dog attacks.

I’m glad the government are banning XL bullies. If even one less is born because it’s more difficult to breed then that is a blessing in my view. I agree something else needs doing to stop all these out of control dogs but it’s a start.

 

[skinnydipper]

I won't watch that on the Daily Fail... far too much faffing around with cookies and illegitimate interest.

Here's a link to the Independent.

Contrary to the Daily Fail headline, the man is not "dragged into the road". The tan dog (quite a small one, if it's a mastiff cross) goes after the man's small black dog. In his panic he lifts up his dog by the leash and swings it around, trips over his own feet and stumbles into the road.

But in fairness this is pointed out lower down: "He loses his balance and falls into the street in Sheffield"

But hey, it's the Fail.

MUST BE DRAMATIC, TRY TO INDUCE PANIC OVER THESE DEVIL DOGS1!1!!11!1!!!!11

However it is reported the fact remains the dog was off leash and out of control, it tried to attack another dog and did attack a person.

 

[Tiddlypom]

But hey, it's the Fail.

MUST BE DRAMATIC, TRY TO INDUCE PANIC OVER THESE DEVIL DOGS1!1!!11!1!!!!11

Are you trying to underplay an incident in which an out of control dog goes for another dog and a person?

Just like to see you desperately trying to protect your own dog from a dog on dog attack and accidentally tripping up in the process, only to be attacked yourself . Funny, huh?

Devil dog? Yes, actually. No one needs this when going about their daily business.

 

[Keith_Beef]

However it is reported the fact remains the dog was off leash and out of control, it tried to attack another dog and did attack a person.

Radio Sheffield sent Simon Thake down to Handsworth to get the reaction of local people.

The man whose camera caught that footage (and I think it was him that pulled up in the car, stopping the attack) says that the off-leash dog had jumped over a wall to get to the small dog and that he'd already made complaints about how the dog was kept and the noise that it made.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Are you trying to underplay an incident in which an out of control dog goes for another dog and a person?

Just like to see you desperately trying to protect your own dog from a dog on dog attack and accidentally tripping up in the process, only to be attacked yourself . Funny, huh?

Devil dog? Yes, actually. No one needs this when going about their daily business.

I wasn't playing down the potential for serious injury, just poking fun at the ridiculous writing in that rag.

 

[scats]

I had my XL bully customer in today and was chatting to his owners about what this means for them. They are planning on having him neutered asap and are already muzzle training him.
He is such a gorgeous, kind boy and my heart would break if anything had to happen to him. I’ve been grooming him since he was a pup and he thunders up the drive to see me, waggy tailed. I can’t imagine how worried his owners feel about it.

But on the other hand, I do appreciate that a dog of that size and strength could easily turn into a weapon.

 

[paddy555]

MUST BE DRAMATIC, TRY TO INDUCE PANIC OVER THESE DEVIL DOGS1!1!!11!1!!!!11

irrelevant what sort of dog or the fail or the independent. The tan coloured dog is out of control and could well have injured or even killed the little one.

IMO dogs should be leaded in public places and a large majority of them muzzled.

The man with the small black dog was entitled to take his dog out in peace.

 

[Cortez]

I had my XL bully customer in today and was chatting to his owners about what this means for them. They are planning on having him neutered asap and are already muzzle training him.
He is such a gorgeous, kind boy and my heart would break if anything had to happen to him. I’ve been grooming him since he was a pup and he thunders up the drive to see me, waggy tailed. I can’t imagine how worried his owners feel about it.

But on the other hand, I do appreciate that a dog of that size and strength could easily turn into a weapon.

Just curious; what kind of grooming do you do on a short-haired dog like that?

 

[stangs]

"Kimbo was bred by Los Angeles-based breeder, Gustavo Castro, and is reportedly born from a brother-sister pairing, with his grandparents sharing the same father.

According to BullyWatch, Kimbo was purposely inbred to create a larger, more muscular frame."

What the actual f*ck?

Tbf, as much as I can appreciate some of BullyWatch's work (not their rather unreliable studies, and lack of actual science though), this is very carefully chosen language designed to push a narrative.

Not that I support line-breeding, but I could also say “deerhounds were purposely inbred for generations to give them a more muscular hind and to make them a more ferocious predator overall” and I wouldn’t be wrong. I’d just be acting manipulative.

I get that Pitbulls are banned, and I wonder how many slid over to Bully due to that. If people want tough, aggressive, protective, big dogs, they're going to have them. They'll find a way. Unless the "control" of this is done right. Which will be very hard and I just don't have so much faith in the government and the public.

I was watching an interview with a British bully enthusiast the other day, and he did say that pitbulls are his main love, which was why he’d ended up with bullies. He also mentioned having owned other breeds like GSDs, Leonbergers, and a few other mastiff breeds, which gives you an idea what breeds people might turn to next. That’s not to say that he’s an irresponsible owner, just that I agree with you re a potential pitbull lover pipeline.