skinnydipper
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Another fatal dog attack
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
This is what confuses and confounds me; anybody with a functioning eyeball can see that they are pitbulls, I mean even the name tells you FGS. What kind of wonky legislation is your DDA? Don't answer that! I can see that it has never been properly applied and appears to be worded very strangely. I do rather feel sorry* for you lot over there, a bit
*and not just over the dogs thing, it all seems a bit of a mess........
Unfortunately for us, yes everything is a mess and there doesn’t seem to be a way out
Mrs. Jingle
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If it's any small comfort, things are only marginally better over this side of the pond.Unfortunately for us, yes everything is a mess and there doesn’t seem to be a way out
Chucho
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It is wonky. If someone had introduced a new dog called the XL Argentino, I'm sure people would have instantly recognised, that's clearly so closely related to a banned breed/type it must automatically be part of the ban legislation or at least reviewed. I guess the answer lies somewhere in the fact that the bull type has long been popular in the UK and 30 years on after the initial efforts the dda isn't being carefully applied.
Smitty
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Pinkvboots
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Most of the xl bullies I have seen just look like over sized pit bulls, they have the same eye colouring and the pink pigment that Pit bulls have, I genuinely don't really have a clue what breeds they use.
CanteringCarrot
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The thing that I worry about with this, is that when they're impounded and not cared for all that well, that could bring out poor behavior in many dogs that are otherwise perfectly fine.
A lot of stress will come with being impounded, and even some good dogs of "good breeds" wouldn't cope all that well.
I suppose there's going to be a guilty until proven innocent (if even possible) with the justification of public safety.
I'm very hesitant to move back to the UK with my CC for a variety of reasons, and I do understand and accept that there are bans on them in various places in the world. What if someone were to claim she looks a bit bully or pitty? Would that be all it takes? I do have her DNA test, and her behavior in public is fine, but still.
CanteringCarrot
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Yeah, that was a huge oversight, IMO. Even if they weren't concerned with it "back then" they could amend/keep up with the times.
CanteringCarrot
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Pink pigment doesn't have anything to do with being a Pitbull specifically, does it? I thought that was purely just color genetics of any breed. May be more common in some though.
skinnydipper
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Did you read in The Telegraph article where one US breeder said they would just change the name, the same as they did with pitbulls, and they would come in as something else?
CanteringCarrot
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CanteringCarrot
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That's the thing, though, they will always come up with something else.
Bans can happen all day long, and will help, to some extent, but we're still skating around the real issue(s). Or in some instances, the real issues are just very difficult to solve and also involve some complexities.
Bans can happen all day long, and will help, to some extent, but we're still skating around the real issue(s). Or in some instances, the real issues are just very difficult to solve and also involve some complexities.
tristar
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so glad i have a 6 inch J R T although in my life i have nearly, been bitten by more J T R s than any other breed
although it is not likely to be a death situation, being bitten by a J T R, all dogs have teeth, i firmly believe the only way is to once and for all bring in proper legislation around dog breeding and ownership, recent events have proven this, not that i needed any proof, its the same old lax, personal freedom, can`t be arsxd political leaders with no idea about well anything really!
i personally hope they feel guilty, but doubt it, probably too thick
all breeds of horse and dogs go through fad fazes, when money comes first and prices shoot up, its always the animals that suffer when there is money to be made,
although it is not likely to be a death situation, being bitten by a J T R, all dogs have teeth, i firmly believe the only way is to once and for all bring in proper legislation around dog breeding and ownership, recent events have proven this, not that i needed any proof, its the same old lax, personal freedom, can`t be arsxd political leaders with no idea about well anything really!
i personally hope they feel guilty, but doubt it, probably too thick
all breeds of horse and dogs go through fad fazes, when money comes first and prices shoot up, its always the animals that suffer when there is money to be made,
Boulty
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The fact that they are a pitbull cross and not already illegal under the current legislation is something that has baffled me about them as well. I was discussing it with someone at work yesterday that they are basically a pitbull made even bigger and more powerful so it does seem odd that they were ever legal in the first place tbh (perhaps whilst looking at the legislation they should very explicitly ban all crossbreeds of any breed already on the list? I realise this would probably mean banning the smaller bully varieties as well, which is a shame as I actually quite like the smaller, staffie sized ones, especially when they come with ears but it’s a loophole that shouldn’t really be there). Most of the people I work with seem to be against banning them / of the “they’re sweet babies “ opinion 
oldandgold
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DoneHere is an alternative petition:
Make XL Bully a banned dog breed in the Dangerous Dogs Act
These dogs have been at the centre of numerous attacks of varying severity. I believe there is a need for these dogs to be placed on the list of banned dogs in the Dangerous Dogs Act, so it is illegal to sell, own or breed these dogs.
Archived Petition: Make XL Bully a banned dog breed in the Dangerous Dogs Act
These dogs have been at the centre of numerous attacks of varying severity. I believe there is a need for these dogs to be placed on the list of banned dogs in the Dangerous Dogs Act, so it is illegal to sell, own or breed these dogs.petition.parliament.uk
gunnergundog
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For anyone who insists that their bully XL is a 'sweet baby' who would do no harm as brought up in a loving family home, then show them the above and make sure they watch it to the end. The lady who posted the above used to be a breed supporter and is getting quite a bit of stick from her 'friends' for her U-turn, but when you see what the dogs did to her son, you will understand her change of opinion and I take my hat off to her for making this public. No comment is needed, in my opinion, on some of the red flags that anyone may observe....I think she has had a hard lesson to learn without being hung, drawn and quartered and is now trying to make sure others don't make the same mistakes.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
That dog is huge , hopefully it has been put down
CanteringCarrot
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This video reminded me of something...I see it in various large dog videos (Mastiffs, Bully types, Pits, and Shepherds). People get too comfortable with the dog and have too much of a "lovey" relationship with no, little, or blurred boundaries in an effort to demonstrate how gentle, loving, and/or "good" their dog is.
I think that it creates blind spots, and does not build the best dog to human relationship.
I'm not commenting on this particular video. It's something I've noticed in general on numerous occasions.
I'm all for an affectionate, tolerant, and nice dog but...I don't know about some of these relationships or demonstrations.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
OMG, one of my students has been ‘badly bitten‘ on the face by a pitbull type. 
He’s one of my little angels. I’m panicking.
He’s one of my little angels. I’m panicking.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I hope it looks worse than it is and he is OK long term.OMG, one of my students has been ‘badly bitten‘ on the face by a pitbull type.
skinnydipper
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I don't believe in all the alpha nonsense but I do think the human has to be team leader. Somebody has to be in charge and I would rather it was me
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I haven’t seen him, he was off sick.
Slightlyconfused
Go away, I'm reading
Just got back from walking the dogs.
There has been a lady who has been walking her female bully x mastif up the feild for a while, she is 8mth old and a sweet heart but the owner does not have a clue.
She is panicking she is going to get taken off her, she is trying to find somewhere to have a genetic test done to check the breed as she is worried she will be classed as "type" (Dog is smaller than my collie but taller than my cocker in hight but body is solid bone and muscle) and is booked in for spaying once she has her first season.
The young dog is lovely, full of energy but strong, has no manners and walked on a harness and retractor lead which she has no control over and I pretty sure she is too heavy for the lead.
We told her to get to a good dog trainer, recommended one local and to get her muzzle trained. As long as she can show the dog is trained, muzzled when out and she has her under contol she cant do more than that but she has to be constantly aware.
The breeder she got her off should be help accountable if anything happens as they should, knowing what type of dog they breed, make sure pups are sold to experienced owners.
There has been a lady who has been walking her female bully x mastif up the feild for a while, she is 8mth old and a sweet heart but the owner does not have a clue.
She is panicking she is going to get taken off her, she is trying to find somewhere to have a genetic test done to check the breed as she is worried she will be classed as "type" (Dog is smaller than my collie but taller than my cocker in hight but body is solid bone and muscle) and is booked in for spaying once she has her first season.
The young dog is lovely, full of energy but strong, has no manners and walked on a harness and retractor lead which she has no control over and I pretty sure she is too heavy for the lead.
We told her to get to a good dog trainer, recommended one local and to get her muzzle trained. As long as she can show the dog is trained, muzzled when out and she has her under contol she cant do more than that but she has to be constantly aware.
The breeder she got her off should be help accountable if anything happens as they should, knowing what type of dog they breed, make sure pups are sold to experienced owners.
twiggy2
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I hope things are not as bad as you fearOMG, one of my students has been ‘badly bitten‘ on the face by a pitbull type.
marmalade76
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This is very brave of her, poor little lad :'(
Did she say what set the dog off? Where was it originally posted?
DirectorFury
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It was posted on FB, owners comments were that her son was stood by the sofa with his back to the dog (which was on the sofa) and it just pounced on him. Reading between the lines, I think the dog and the mum were sat together on the sofa, dog thought it would be turfed off so the kid could sit down, and decided to get in there first.
CanteringCarrot
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Like a resource guarding type of thing?
CanteringCarrot
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Someone upthread asked if the XL Bully or an issue in other countries, such as Germany.
There are definitely Pitty and Bully types in many of the shelters. Cane Corso's end up there too. Here is a post from a shelter I know (translated automatically on FB to English, but I think you can understand it. Auto translates can be weird sometimes).
There are definitely Pitty and Bully types in many of the shelters. Cane Corso's end up there too. Here is a post from a shelter I know (translated automatically on FB to English, but I think you can understand it. Auto translates can be weird sometimes).
CanteringCarrot
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FWIW my last German landlord had the best little Staffy sausage 
she was a bit rotund, but a sweet heart that went everywhere with him, and was just really an easygoing, relaxed, and sweet little thing.
she was a bit rotund, but a sweet heart that went everywhere with him, and was just really an easygoing, relaxed, and sweet little thing.Boulty
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They seem to be a dog with whom if you get one with the wrong temperament there is little margin for error. There are of course other breeds & types of dog this applies to but the power of these guys & the sheer amount of damage they can do is bloody scary. I just don’t feel they’re appropriate as a family pet in the vast majority of circumstances as there’s so few people switched on enough to see every subtle little signal and react in precisely the right way 24/7/365 and sadly that poor kid up post has paid the price for someone missing whatever signals the dog was giving out just before the attack. (I feel like there’s a lot of dogs who are absolutely awesome at the purpose they were bred for who are also not generally suitable as a family pet but absolutely brilliant in the hands of a good professional trainer (or talented amateur with good support and the common sense to not set the dog up to fail… I know I am absolutely NOT that person & never will be… I have rings run around me by a small spaniel FGS, although I do blame the parents for letting him get away with numpty things that I then get the fun of trying to fix / get shouted at when I suggest how to avoid whatever issue they’ve created!)