Another fatal dog attack

CanteringCarrot

Well-Known Member
Joined
1 April 2018
Messages
5,932
Visit site
It was a challenge, I haven't ever mentioned driving on this thread and it was irrelevant to this thread.

I've never had depth perception, I was born with unmatched eyes that made it impossible. There are situations when driving that you learn to be very cautious about, like judging the speed of cars coming towards you before you pull out of junctions.
.

Yeah, and I figured that people adjust to their "handicaps" for lack of a better term, or exercise caution appropriately.

Edit: it wasn't totally irrelevant, to my brain, anyway, and I could see how the driving thing would pop into one's thoughts. That's just my opinion though. We don't have to agree.
 

CanteringCarrot

Well-Known Member
Joined
1 April 2018
Messages
5,932
Visit site
You see some excellent shots who only have one eye so I’m sure your brain compensates.


Erm, to be fair, for shooting, you only need one eye, generally 🤣

However, it does get difficult if you're "right eyed" and left handed. Or if you're "left eyed" and you lose your left eye! However, the point remains; your brain compensates. You do learn how to adjust accordingly.
 

paddy555

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 December 2010
Messages
13,801
Visit site
I am struggling with the amount of aggression and passive aggression I'm getting from owners of dogs on extendable leads and running free on paths where I walk.

Due to an eye operation years ago, I can't see any dog that runs within about 1m 50 of my right foot. When any dog does this or looks like it's going to do this, I stand still until it is gone so I don't trip over it.

The looks could kill and the insults I hear behind me as they walk on would be offensive if I could be bothered any more to be offended. These aren't bad dog owners, they're just completely oblivious to why anyone would have a problem with their dog.
.

How are you passing a field of vision test to drive? Any damage to peripheral vision means you lose your licence.

I'm Dun you seem, in your sarcasm, to have missed the point YCBM was making. :rolleyes:
 

cbmcts

Well-Known Member
Joined
30 April 2009
Messages
1,836
Visit site
I think rescues need to be looked at closer as well. Some don't match dogs to the right owner at all and some dogs would be better off just being PTS. I met a man with a doberman recently, he was in a shop and I walked past him and the dog didn't do a thing. He then spoke to me so I turned towards him at which point the dog reacted by barking aggressively at me. He thought this was hysterical and it was why he spoke to me so the dog would react like this. He then told me it was a rescue which he'd recently got, I mean what sort of rescue gives that breed of dog to a numpty who thinks it's great to get the dog to react. Poor dog it was good as gold until he deliberately made it act like that. He did twice more to other people when I was in the shop.
Ah, I was wondering when rescues would be dragged into this ;) They can't seem to do right for doing wrong, usually the complaint is that rescues are too restrictive, won't give dogs just because they'll be left for a few hours or that there aren't 6 ft fences or that there are children in the home...but the minute that something goes wrong or the adopter is a bit of a numpty, the rescue is pilloried.

It's very rare - but not unheard of TBF - that a person fills in the application form and says I want a dog so I can intimidate people, won't train the dog, will let it run riot in public. Often, when you talk to them, you start to hear more than they realise they are telling you and home checks can be eye opening. Yes there's a 6ft fence but no gate to the main road. The applicant has mobility issues but want a young, active large breed dog even though they cannot walk more than a 100 meters and no, they don't have or plan to have a dog walker. They have preschool/primary age children that they forgot to mention or mind their under 5 yo grandchildren from 7.30 to 6 4 days a week. That is just some of the home checks that I have done - 1 person - in the last 6 months. In the case of the parents, they were conniving enough to hide the toys and make sure the kids were out but forgot one wedding picture on the wall and he got very aggressive when I asked if they were his children - eldest was 8, youngest was 3 and the dog they had applied for had no history with children so was advertised as adult home with a possibility of over 12s if they were dog savvy.

Some people lie, many more have an inflated opinion of their experience/abilities and what having any dog, let alone a rescue with an uncertain background is really like. That it won't be loves and roses to start with. Yes, it is really rewarding and satisfying to turn a dog round and having a rescue is a lot less house training and chewing and considerably cheaper than a puppy but nobody is saying that it's easy.

Many people feel entitled to have a dog with no consideration of the needs of an animal let alone whether they can make it work with their lifestyle.
 

conniegirl

Well-Known Member
Joined
3 November 2004
Messages
9,117
Visit site
How are you passing a field of vision test to drive? Any damage to peripheral vision means you lose your licence.
No you don’t. There is no peripheral vision test for driving.
This is charming


 

Mrs. Jingle

Well-Known Member
Joined
17 September 2009
Messages
5,783
Location
Deep in Bandit Country
Visit site
Really sums up the sort of human who owns them. I cannot see anyone who isn’t an idiot wanting one, why would you?

I can't either, but then I can't think of anyone in their right mind who would want my two labs, I'm just the gullible eejit who ended up with them! ☺️ Thinking about it, I have had some breeds that I am sure others wouldn't want either. If I was considering getting, for instance, a rescue dog I would only probably turn down any sort of large bull type breed, a greyhound or a German Shepherd. The GS I had always wanted one from a child as a friend had a super one that was a great playmate for us kids, but after being attacked and bitten by one as an adult unfortunately I now fear them, but I do admire them from a very safe distance.:confused:
 
Last edited:

JoannaC

Well-Known Member
Joined
2 June 2010
Messages
864
Location
Staffordshire
Visit site
Ah, I was wondering when rescues would be dragged into this ;) They can't seem to do right for doing wrong, usually the complaint is that rescues are too restrictive, won't give dogs just because they'll be left for a few hours or that there aren't 6 ft fences or that there are children in the home...but the minute that something goes wrong or the adopter is a bit of a numpty, the rescue is pilloried.

It's very rare - but not unheard of TBF - that a person fills in the application form and says I want a dog so I can intimidate people, won't train the dog, will let it run riot in public. Often, when you talk to them, you start to hear more than they realise they are telling you and home checks can be eye opening. Yes there's a 6ft fence but no gate to the main road. The applicant has mobility issues but want a young, active large breed dog even though they cannot walk more than a 100 meters and no, they don't have or plan to have a dog walker. They have preschool/primary age children that they forgot to mention or mind their under 5 yo grandchildren from 7.30 to 6 4 days a week. That is just some of the home checks that I have done - 1 person - in the last 6 months. In the case of the parents, they were conniving enough to hide the toys and make sure the kids were out but forgot one wedding picture on the wall and he got very aggressive when I asked if they were his children - eldest was 8, youngest was 3 and the dog they had applied for had no history with children so was advertised as adult home with a possibility of over 12s if they were dog savvy.

Some people lie, many more have an inflated opinion of their experience/abilities and what having any dog, let alone a rescue with an uncertain background is really like. That it won't be loves and roses to start with. Yes, it is really rewarding and satisfying to turn a dog round and having a rescue is a lot less house training and chewing and considerably cheaper than a puppy but nobody is saying that it's easy.

Many people feel entitled to have a dog with no consideration of the needs of an animal let alone whether they can make it work with their lifestyle.
The problem is there are so many rescues, most of which are doing a good job but then you get the one's that aren't but that would be a whole other thread.
 

skinnydipper

Well-Known Member
Joined
11 February 2018
Messages
7,201
Visit site
Ah, I was wondering when rescues would be dragged into this ;) They can't seem to do right for doing wrong, usually the complaint is that rescues are too restrictive, won't give dogs just because they'll be left for a few hours or that there aren't 6 ft fences or that there are children in the home...but the minute that something goes wrong or the adopter is a bit of a numpty, the rescue is pilloried.



Many people feel entitled to have a dog with no consideration of the needs of an animal let alone whether they can make it work with their lifestyle.


Why are the dogs ending up in rescue in the first place?

I've had 8 from rescues and 2 rehomes * - one someone knocked on the door and asked if I would take their elderly whippet as she was surplus to requirements, another, a GSD, was severely screwed up in previous home. Of those from rescue centres one was reluctantly relinquished by someone going into sheltered housing and the rest were discarded, dumped or removed from previous owner.

Owners are the problem, not the rescue centres.


* in addition I had a GSD bought as a puppy from a breeder
 
Last edited:

I'm Dun

Well-Known Member
Joined
20 May 2021
Messages
3,355
Visit site
It was a challenge, I haven't ever mentioned driving on this thread and it was totally irrelevant to this thread. The only implication you could draw from it was that the person who asked the question was querying whether I was telling the truth on this thread about sight loss or on a completely unrelated thread about driving an electric car.

I've never had depth perception, I was born with unmatched eyes that made it impossible. There are situations when driving that you learn to be very cautious about, like judging the speed of cars coming towards you before you pull out of junctions.
.

You are delusional. I have no idea what other thread you are talking about.

I have field of vision tests yearly. If you lose peripheral vision and its flagged in those then you lose your licence. I know several people who have lost their licence this way. I cant see how someone who cant see a significant amount of the floor would pass one of those tests, hence me commenting. But seemingly you get away with it if its just one eye which seems like absolute madness to me, but I dont make or enforce the laws.
 

ycbm

Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Joined
30 January 2015
Messages
58,857
Visit site
You are delusional. I have no idea what other thread you are talking about.

I have field of vision tests yearly. If you lose peripheral vision and its flagged in those then you lose your licence. I know several people who have lost their licence this way. I cant see how someone who cant see a significant amount of the floor would pass one of those tests, hence me commenting. But seemingly you get away with it if its just one eye which seems like absolute madness to me, but I dont make or enforce the laws.

If you have no idea what other thread I'm talking about then I can't see why assumed that I drive.

I too have field of vision tests yearly. You lose your licence if your total field of vision does not meet a threshold. You can meet the threshold with only one eye. If you don't meet the threshold, the loss can be anywhere in your field of vision. My FiL lost his licence because peripheral vision was all he had.


ETA I really don't need to see my right thigh or the right hand door pocket while looking at the road to be safe to drive 😁
 
Last edited:

Gloi

Too little time, too much to read.
Joined
8 May 2012
Messages
12,423
Location
Lancashire
Visit site
Ah, I was wondering when rescues would be dragged into this ;) They can't seem to do right for doing wrong, usually the complaint is that rescues are too restrictive, won't give dogs just because they'll be left for a few hours or that there aren't 6 ft fences or that there are children in the home...but the minute that something goes wrong or the adopter is a bit of a numpty, the rescue is pilloried.

It's very rare - but not unheard of TBF - that a person fills in the application form and says I want a dog so I can intimidate people, won't train the dog, will let it run riot in public. Often, when you talk to them, you start to hear more than they realise they are telling you and home checks can be eye opening. Yes there's a 6ft fence but no gate to the main road. The applicant has mobility issues but want a young, active large breed dog even though they cannot walk more than a 100 meters and no, they don't have or plan to have a dog walker. They have preschool/primary age children that they forgot to mention or mind their under 5 yo grandchildren from 7.30 to 6 4 days a week. That is just some of the home checks that I have done - 1 person - in the last 6 months. In the case of the parents, they were conniving enough to hide the toys and make sure the kids were out but forgot one wedding picture on the wall and he got very aggressive when I asked if they were his children - eldest was 8, youngest was 3 and the dog they had applied for had no history with children so was advertised as adult home with a possibility of over 12s if they were dog savvy.

Some people lie, many more have an inflated opinion of their experience/abilities and what having any dog, let alone a rescue with an uncertain background is really like. That it won't be loves and roses to start with. Yes, it is really rewarding and satisfying to turn a dog round and having a rescue is a lot less house training and chewing and considerably cheaper than a puppy but nobody is saying that it's easy.

Many people feel entitled to have a dog with no consideration of the needs of an animal let alone whether they can make it work with their lifestyle.
The problem when people get rejected by UK rescues is that they can just get an Eastern European "rescue" with no checks to speak of, so long as they pay the fee. ☹️
 

cbmcts

Well-Known Member
Joined
30 April 2009
Messages
1,836
Visit site
Today was the first day I've been at the kennels since the announcement that XL Bullies were going to be banned. The kennels have boarded and rescue dogs and a couple of rescues use them. Looking at what was in, there were 4 that I think will definitely be on the exempt register and another 3 that may or may not measure in. Only one of those is a rescue waiting for a home and she is one that is in the grey area. She is a lovely dog, approx 3 years old, no chip and has obviously been bred. Good as gold so far with everyone and every dog that she's met but she'll stay there now until xl bullies are defined and if she is deemed to be of type, PTS as it will be illegal to rehome her. Another bitch, huge, very friendly but her owner came to collect her, put her slip lead on - no collar or tag - and had to have kennel staff bring her to her car because she couldn't hold her. She lives with small children and they want a litter from her...

One of the others, young male, incredibly nervous, owned by a family who take great pride in describing him as an ambassador for the breed:oops: He is a dog that I don't trust an inch because he is so nervous. Another male, not good with other dogs, walked by his owners on a Julius harness that takes him a nano second to back out of and while I don't get aggressive vibes from him, is really lacking in manners and respect for personal space. There's another, still only 6 months old but his owners plan(ned?) to breed him with her very nice pedigree staffie (why???) bitches but he is also very nervy and a bit snappy with it. The other one I didn't have anything to do with so know nothing about her.

Most of these are much loved pets so I think that the owners will keep them, neuter etc to comply with the law but every family I've met has been oblivious to how much damage these dogs could do. They are nice enough, not low lifes/drug dealers but do subscribe to the fluffy bunny school of dog ownership and have little to no control of their dogs. They are going to really struggle with muzzling their dogs cos 'they don't like it' and I have absolutely no confidence in their ability to read dogs and recognise when a situation is going south. But to be honest, any large, hard headed breed would be just as dangerous in their hands because they are so lacking in common sense - and there is no way to legislate for that!
 
Last edited:

ycbm

Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Joined
30 January 2015
Messages
58,857
Visit site
Yes there is. If theres any damage to your eyes it has to be declared to the DVLA who will then request field of vision tests yearly of three yearly.

That depends on the damage. I have damage to my retina due to lazering it back together after it started to come apart following a cataract operation (1 in 10,000 complication). That damage is stable and I wasn't tested for several years.

I have yearly NHS field of vision tests only since it was discovered that messing around with my eye so much has raised the eye pressure leaving me at risk of glaucoma. It's the glaucoma that triggers the yearly testing, not the stable sight loss.

Can we get back to dogs?
 
Last edited:

JoannaC

Well-Known Member
Joined
2 June 2010
Messages
864
Location
Staffordshire
Visit site
Why are the dogs ending up in rescue in the first place?

I've had 8 from rescues and 2 rehomes - one someone knocked and the door and asked if I would take their elderly whippet as she was surplus to requirements, another was severely screwed up in previous home. Of those from rescue centes one was reluctantly relinquished by someone going into sheltered housing and the rest were discarded, dumped or removed from previous owner.

Owners are the problem, not the rescue centres.
Because people don't realise they have to train them and puppies are actually hard work, adolescents more so and it's easy to just hand them over to a rescue. What would people do if rescues didn't exist I wonder, would they persevere or dump them in the woods.
 

skinnydipper

Well-Known Member
Joined
11 February 2018
Messages
7,201
Visit site
That depends on the damage. I have damage to my retina due to lazering it back together after it started to come apart following a cataract operation (1 in 10,000 complication). That damage is stable and I wasn't treated for several years.

I have yearly NHS field of vision tests only since it was discovered that messing around with my eye so much has raised the eye pressure leaving me at risk of glaucoma. It's the glaucoma that triggers the yearly testing, not the stable sight loss.

Can we get back to dogs?


@ycbm. Don't feel you have to explain, it's none of their business.
 

stangs

Well-Known Member
Joined
18 September 2021
Messages
2,896
Visit site
There's another, still only 6 months old but his owners plan(ned?) to breed him with her very nice pedigree staffie (why???) bitches but he is also very nervy and a bit snappy with it.
I've seen a fair few bully x staff crosses advertised in the past year, and I reckon people breed them to get a pitbull type with more structure than they'd traditionally have. Whether they're knowingly trying to get a dog of pitbull type, or whether it's an aesthetic preference that they don't realise may end up breaking the law, I don't know, but the resulting dogs look to me like they'd measure in.

Alternatively, people just breed to whatever's available (because otherwise surely no one goes "the only way we can improve our Cane Corso bitch is by adding some pocket bully blood to the mix", or "there's nothing I would rather add to an XL bully than greyhound blood so it can do its thing at triple the speed"?*)

*These are dogs currently for sale on preloved if anyone's interested...
 

conniegirl

Well-Known Member
Joined
3 November 2004
Messages
9,117
Visit site
Yes there is. If theres any damage to your eyes it has to be declared to the DVLA who will then request field of vision tests yearly of three yearly
Nope

My mother partially detached her retina, had it lazered back on but had areas in her vision where she lost vision.
Declared it to the DVLA. She had one test to check she had enough vision to drive and then nothing at all for the last 20 years.

As said above if you are getting them regularly then your condition must be unstable and thus likely to change.
You can drive with one eye so peripheral vision is not strictly necessary to drive.

Either way irrelevant to this thread.
 

SilverLinings

Well-Known Member
Joined
12 August 2017
Messages
3,170
Visit site
Rio was attacked by a foreign rescue shepherd type which was on an extendable lead, in our own yard.

There is a footpath that runs past the front of the yard and the owner was on the footpath but the dog got into the yard on its lead, and attacked him. I was mucking out and had to hit the dog with a shovel to get it to let go. I was terrified I was going to have to kill it or it would kill Rio. It did let go eventually, and I don’t know whether it survived once it was removed.

Apparently Rio was the third dog it had attacked. The owner has several dogs, all rescues. She was worse than useless in the situation and just started shrieking and crying - she couldn’t even reel the lead back in properly.

What an awful experience for you and Rio @LadyGascoyne, especially as it happened at your home. I am actually quite surprised that there haven't been any serious attacks (that I have seen reported) by foreign rescue dogs, but I suppose breed-wise they don't tend to be the bull-type breeds that won't let go once they latch on. I have unfortunately come across more that bite than don't, but it generally seems to be driven by fear of and/or disinterest in humans.

I love my 10m flexi. However there is a knack to it and the dog needs to have recall and distance control, otherwise they're useless.
I have successfully used flexileads in a few different situations but it is beyond me why some people (not you CC!) think it is ok to have the dog at the lead's full length in busy areas, and/or have the lead extended when you are paying no attention to said dog. I think those owners are using it as a lazy substitute for recall training though, and like a lot of dog 'problems' discussed on this thread the actual problem is the owner.
If you have no idea what other thread I'm talking about then I can't see why assumed that I drive.

I too have field of vision tests yearly. You lose your licence if your total field of vision does not meet a threshold. You can meet the threshold with only one eye. If you don't meet the threshold, the loss can be anywhere in your field of vision. My FiL lost his licence because peripheral vision was all he had.


ETA I really don't need to see my right thigh or the right hand door pocket while looking at the road to be safe to drive 😁

Just to wade in on the bizarre accusation that @ycbm shouldn't be driving, my parents have two elderly friends who both lost an eye in their 20s, and both have driven since then with no regular checks, just an initial one after the accident that caused the eye loss. They both lost the whole eyeball (incidents in the forces) so clearly have no sight in that eye, peripheral or otherwise. I'm sure you don't need my defence @ycbm, it just seemed to be a very odd thing to have brought up 🤷‍♀️
 

fankino04

Well-Known Member
Joined
7 November 2010
Messages
2,781
Location
Wiltshire
Visit site
Sadly I think we might be getting to an "all dogs on a lead unless in a designated or private area". Looking at big dangerous dogs like the xl bullies they seem to have 2 types of owners ( predominantly) the hard-core chav who wants the aggressive status symbol dog so he ain't muzzling it, or the mum with young family who thinks it's only the chavs dogs that attack and are giving the breed a bad name cos the owners are nasty, they think the loved family pet they have at home would never hurt anyone ( that is until it suddenly does) so she ain't muzzling her precious fido and we are all picking on them. The only way to get compliance is to make it a blanket lead rule for all, of course a strong dog will still pull its owner over to do what they want, so then we are at the point of adding muzzles for dogs over a certain weight or breeds that as standard are over a certain weight. I know this would mean when I gad the malamutes they would gave been put in the muzzle category and they were the easiest controlled and least aggressive dogs I've known but we can't keep ignoring the need to do something as on the whole people are F**k wits and ruining it for responsible owners through their sheer stupidity or entitlement.
 

CorvusCorax

'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Joined
15 January 2008
Messages
59,545
Location
End of the pier
Visit site
I have successfully used flexileads in a few different situations but it is beyond me why some people (not you CC!) think it is ok to have the dog at the lead's full length in busy areas, and/or have the lead extended when you are paying no attention to said dog. I think those owners are using it as a lazy substitute for recall training though, and like a lot of dog 'problems' discussed on this thread the actual problem is the owner.

Yeah I mean if a dog pulls on a short lead and you give it more line, it's not going to stop pulling/will pull even harder.

Almost the same as the 'they need to be offleash' people who just say that because can't be arsed to train the dog to walk beside them/have a dog who's needs they can't fulfill.
 
Top