Another fatal dog attack

[splashgirl45]

One of the things I don’t agree with is the Dogs Trust say they never put a healthy dog down so those who cannot be rehomed due to behaviour problems including biting are kept at the kennels, surely PTS kindly is the better option for the dogs and also would free up spaces for more dogs and the time that it takes to look after the problem dogs would be saved as well

 

[skinnydipper]

Surely pts is better than a whole life spent in kennels

I don't think dogs who present a danger to the public should be rehomed, they should be pts.

But it isn't just rescue centres who kennel or confine dogs in a small space many hours a day, with dogs just being taken out for exercise.

 

[cauda equina]

I don't think dogs who present a danger to the public should be rehomed, they should be pts.

But it isn't just rescue centres who kennel or confine dogs in a small space many hours a day, with dogs just being taken out for exercise.

I agree
Private homes do not always act in their dog's best interests, due to ignorance or laziness or maybe something else
But you would hope that rescue organisations would be more clued up about what dogs need to lead a happy life and if that were not possible for whatever reason make the brave and sensible decision to pts

I don't know if the Dogs Trust et al think that donations would drop off if it got out that they were ok with putting 'healthy' (although I don't think dogs with severe behavioural problems are healthy) dogs down.
I would much prefer my donations be spent on helping to rehab and rehome those dogs which can be moved on, rather than allowing every dog to live out its lifespan whether rehomeable or not

 

[ArklePig]

One of the things I don’t agree with is the Dogs Trust say they never put a healthy dog down so those who cannot be rehomed due to behaviour problems including biting are kept at the kennels, surely PTS kindly is the better option for the dogs and also would free up spaces for more dogs and the time that it takes to look after the problem dogs would be saved as well

I agree with this. I also think their definition of healthy does a lot of heavy lifting, dogs with extreme behavioural issues should be considered mentally ill.

 

[DabDab]

English Bull Terriers (EBTs) can be lovely, l have known several, especially good with people, as are Staffies, but they do try to finish fights if they are in one.
l think their small deep-set eyes make it difficult for people to ‘read’ them, they often seem expressionless though of course they are giving off signals by stance, tail, growling etc.
My sister had one which didn't like other dogs approaching but the family discovered that she was obsessed with carrying a car hubcap around with her and wouldn’t drop this for any dog. In her case the problem was solved.

I love Staffies, they really make me smile. I've never owned one though because when I looked at getting one years ago and spoke to a lot of experienced breeders and owners, they were all fairly open about them not being great in multi-dog households (which mine always would be) because of their propensity to fight with other dogs. Obviously there are many that are fine, but you do have to be prepared to put quite a lot of work into ensuring that they really are fine and reinforcing boundaries and behaviours around other dogs.

I have quite a few friends who have Staffies (all single dog homes) and they really do make wonderful pets if managed correctly.

Love the hub cap decoy!

 

[AmyMay]

From the Blue Cross

 

[Peglo]

From the Blue Cross

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So she looks like a XL bully or she is one? I don’t like the guilt trip they are putting on people to try to adopt her if she’s an XL. They shouldn’t be adopted just because folk feel bad for them, they aren’t harmless hamsters fgs.

 

[ponyparty]

From the Blue Cross

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Ffs that is misguided at best and totally irresponsible at worst. And could be a PR nightmare for them in future if anything does happen when she is rehomed..!

 

[Smitty]

Nothing like a bit of emotional blackmail. If the person/people who drafted that piece is so concerned, perhaphs they should have her themselves.

 

[Nasicus]

This is because her looks that resemble a type of dog – an American bully XL (or XL bully)

Funny that, considering she's listed as an XL on the bloody website

 

[skinnydipper]

Out-of-control XL Bully 'destroyed' after 'mum and daughter' savaged

Staffordshire Police and West Midlands Ambulance Service were called to the dog attack on Baker Crescent, in Baddeley Green

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

 

[cbmcts]

Funny that, considering she's listed as an XL on the bloody website

Sad as it to PTS a pup that hasn't actually done anything wrong, I hope anyone who adopts her is prepared to comply with the restrictions of the DDA exemption register - 3rd party insurance, 6 ft lead and muzzle anytime they are out of the home.

i hear that the RSPCA have put a hold on their branches adopting out any dog that may be of type pending government guidance.

 

[AmyMay]

i hear that the RSPCA have put a hold on their branches adopting out any dog that may be of type pending government guidance.

And rightly so.

 

[Clodagh]

Sad as it to PTS a pup that hasn't actually done anything wrong, I hope anyone who adopts her is prepared to comply with the restrictions of the DDA exemption register - 3rd party insurance, 6 ft lead and muzzle anytime they are out of the home.

i hear that the RSPCA have put a hold on their branches adopting out any dog that may be of type pending government guidance.

I wonder which insurance companies will cover them?

 

[Clodagh]

It must be absolutely appalling for rescues to PTS puppies like Luna. Not what you sign up for in dog rescue! I hope they do find a home for her, one experienced, committed and prepared to muzzle and leash.

 

[ycbm]

From the Blue Cross

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They were the recipients of the major part of my estate in my will. We need a rewrite after moving and they won't be featuring in the new one.
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[splashgirl45]

Out-of-control XL Bully 'destroyed' after 'mum and daughter' savaged

Staffordshire Police and West Midlands Ambulance Service were called to the dog attack on Baker Crescent, in Baddeley Green

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

Sounds like this was another indoor attack , not sure how that can be stopped

 

[Quoth]

I don’t see the attraction in any of the bull terrier breeds. For me their form is a constant reminder of their working function and I find the notion of owning one intensely macabre. A bit like using an antique electric chair as bedroom furniture.

It's just when people say "bull terrier" it's so general and/or makes me think English Bull Terrier, but I guess I should not think that if there is no English before the Bull. Sometimes we've (in real life) just called them Bull Terriers (minus the English) so I think that's why I was thinking that.

Perhaps a dense me problem.

Then again sometimes in the convo, specifics may be best.

I think where you’re coming unglued is the fact that many of the official AKC breed names drop the “English”. Hence what in the U.K. is the “English Bull Terrier” simply becomes the “Bull Terrier” in the United States. Much as what we’d call an “English Mastiff” is just a “Mastiff” over there.

I’m not sure it makes much difference though, all of the catch-dogs represent a greater degree of risk to people than any other breeds. By catch-dogs I mean anything bred to bait large animals, fight other dogs, or catch large game (be that pinning cattle for the slaughter man or hunting bears and boars and so forth). Rottweilers cause about 20% of dog attack fatalities in the United States. Before the rise of the xl bully, staffies were the biggest killers in this country. It’s not really about size, or even aggression but rather a behavioral pattern that was bred into dogs used for a specific purpose I.e hunting large mammals by gripping and shaking in areas with large number of blood vessels.

The American bully is worse than most of the others but that’s a combination of horrific breeding, handling by idiots and that it uses the most prolific, successful and recently game bred dogfighting dog in the northern hemisphere as it’s genetic foundation.

Sounds like this was another indoor attack , not sure how that can be stopped

A cull.

Sounds harsh but I can't see anything short of total removal protecting people from their own dogs.

 

[rara007]

Duplicate…

Our council are now saying they won’t collect stray XLs as not trained to handle them…!

 

[Smitty]

Banned dog owner is jailed after his two XL Bullies mauled a woman

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Rachael Millard, 35, was on a walk with her two dogs in Barry, Vale of Glamorgan, when the 'aggressive' XL Bullies charged out of an open door towards her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I hope she told him where to shove his flowers!!

 

[gunnergundog]

Duplicate…

Our council are now saying they won’t collect stray XLs as not trained to handle them…!

So we end up with packs of stray rampaging XLs on the streets? Wonderful!

PS I hit the wrong emoji by mistake on your post

 

[ycbm]

So we end up with packs of stray rampaging XLs on the streets? Wonderful!

No, the Police will shoot them if they can't be safely caught with a noose by the RSPCA. Of which I fully approve.
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[cbmcts]

Duplicate…

Our council are now saying they won’t collect stray XLs as not trained to handle them…!

Which council is that rara? I don't think local authorities can absolve themselves of their statutory responsibilities just because they haven't trained their staff. They should be trained to pole them if need be...

No, the Police will shoot them if they can't be safely caught with a noose by the RSPCA. Of which I fully approve.
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The RSPCA don't normally go and pick up dogs from the street - if they have strays they usually come from the dog warden/pound after they've done their 7 days. A charity, with no statutory duties are not going to want to hold a dog for 28 days ( as they have no official powers ) to then PTS at their own cost as they will not be legally rehomeable in the next couple of months. That's without considering potential risk to their staff/volunteers and the reputational damage on social media et al as 'dog murderers' .

Essex is a huge highly populated county. There aren't that many armed police here really, unlike the Met and the logistics of shooting dogs on a high street or busy housing estate would be a nightmare. Unless the dog is actually attacking at the time, it is also outside of their remit of public safety.

 

[ycbm]

Nobody seriously thinks we'll be left with packs of XL bullies roaming the streets, though, do they? That's just a bit of daft hyperbole.
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[AdorableAlice]

Nobody seriously thinks we'll be left with packs of XL bullies roaming the streets, though, do they? That's just a bit of daft hyperbole.
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Not packs of them no, but when you look at the sale lists - https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/sale/puppies/american-bully/ it is very evident that the prices have plummeted, sale spiel is desperate and many XL's are being marketed as not XL's, larger pocket bullies etc etc in the hope the public will be fooled in respect of what they are buying.

What you will see, and our DW's are already seeing it, are dogs tied up/dumped in the hope someone will deal with them.

 

[conniegirl]

XL Bully dog bites young girl in front of panicking teachers

Eyewitness said the 'huge' and 'out of control' animal, which allegedly wasn't on a lead, 'latched onto' a young girl as teachers desperately tried to pull her away.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[rara007]

To be fair, I think they’re too dog aggressive to ‘pack’.!

 

[conniegirl]

XL Bully is put down after savaging 'mother and daughter'

Emergency crews were called to reports of a dog attack on Baker Crescent in Baddeley Green, Staffordshire, at around 11:40am on October 12.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Red-1]

XL Bully dog bites young girl in front of panicking teachers

Eyewitness said the 'huge' and 'out of control' animal, which allegedly wasn't on a lead, 'latched onto' a young girl as teachers desperately tried to pull her away.

www.dailymail.co.uk

As someone who accompanies children on school trips, this scenario is nightmare material. So many children to protect.

 

[Tiddlypom]

As someone who accompanies children on school trips, this scenario is nightmare material. So many children to protect.

I agree - I’ve been a parent helper on many primary school trips . You have your own small group of children to keep tabs on, which is fine in normal circumstances, but not this. This is utterly dreadful.

This poor girl froze and it went for her. In one of the previous attacks (the one where the dog was pictured bringing down a rescuer on a petrol forecourt) the girl panicked and ran, and the thing still went for her.

The XL bully is a man made abhorrence. How best to get rid of the lot of them asap?

I’m disgusted and disappointed at the Blue Cross trying to rehome one, I thought that they were one of the better and more responsible rescue charities.