Another fatal dog attack

[J&T]

So the standing still like a tree doesn't work the poor thing froze and it still went for her.

As much as I love dogs no breed or cross breed should ever come before the safety of children or other people and I don't care how harsh this sounds I'd have the lot culled. Yes some properly are friendly ect but most seem to be until there not and you can't ban stupidity but we can ban the breed and think that should be a complete cull on all XL bullies I'm sorry if that's harsh but we can stop stupid owners and even the ones who are good there are many cases of good owners having there dogs just snap. The XL bully is also way to overbred that they as a cross breed should be extinct for there own health there just not stable mentally.

I just feel that children and other people should come first no one should be scared to step outside there own homes just because of the few who choose a cross breed that I see no appeal to or reason for it even being created in the first place.

I do have a plan that would stop this from happening again but it would properly anger a lot of people and it would be way too expensive and the government would never adapt it but I know what I would do if I was in power and it would just be idiot owners I'd target it would be bad breeder/ greeders and anyone who abused an animal because there is not enough punishment for those who abuse animals.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Just an aside, but if police remove a dog, they pay for it until a decision is made re its future. My OH was telling me an xl bully was seized for mauling a little dog in the street and the police were paying for the kennels until the inevitable decision was made.

 

[bonny]

Just an aside, but if police remove a dog, they pay for it until a decision is made re its future. My OH was telling me an xl bully was seized for mauling a little dog in the street and the police were paying for the kennels until the inevitable decision was made.

That’s just all of us paying really though which is the only way. They can’t exactly seize a dog and make the owners pay but I guess what would help is a quicker decision if the owner refuses to pts

 

[CorvusCorax]

A judge can award costs in the event of a conviction, I've seen a number of owners ordered to pay for kennelling costs/to reimburse the public purse.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023-10-09/child-seriously-injured-in-attack-by-two-dogs

Not XLs this time.

 

[AdorableAlice]

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023-10-09/child-seriously-injured-in-attack-by-two-dogs

Not XLs this time.

The later would be as powerful though, German Shepherd and a Dogue de Bordeaux.

It would be interesting to know the ages of the dogs involved in all of the attacks over the recent months. In my professional capacity I am finding vast numbers of what were covid bred puppies and are now unsocialised adult, out of control dogs.

 

[skinnydipper]

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2023/10/boy-recovering-after-attack-by-pit-bull-dog-in-craigentinny-park/

 

[CanteringCarrot]

It would be interesting to know the ages of the dogs involved in all of the attacks over the recent months. In my professional capacity I am finding vast numbers of what were covid bred puppies and are now unsocialised adult, out of control dogs.

That would be interesting.

It's still just humans failing at the end of the day. Bringing certain dogs into existence. Housing them in conditions that aren't right. Expecting a guardian breed to behave like a docile lap dog of sorts (I mean they can behave that way at times). I also think that so many don't recognize the training that's involved. They see a dog, like the looks of it, or think, "Oh that's a beautiful and cool breed" and just buy the thing.

I was recently chatting with an acquaintance who was asked to take on (as in she's be a new home) this 1 year old Lab because the dog was too much for the family. They bought an English Lab after hearing that they make good therapy dogs for their autistic son. They just expected the dog to be a good therapy dog (by purely being birthed I guess) and put ZERO training into it. They won't involve proper help either, and the dog is a hyper miserable untrained mess. They're too "proud" to reach back out to the breeder or to rehome publicly. People are absolute morons. In the age of endless information at your fingertips nonetheless!

 

[DabDab]

The later would be as powerful though, German Shepherd and a Dogue de Bordeaux.

It would be interesting to know the ages of the dogs involved in all of the attacks over the recent months. In my professional capacity I am finding vast numbers of what were covid bred puppies and are now unsocialised adult, out of control dogs.

A dogue de bordeaux is an unusual one to pop up causing a a problem though...they're not typically athletic enough to be much of a menace (aside from the endless slobber assault), plus they are generally fairly affable creatures, typically owned by those who have good understanding of the breed

 

[CanteringCarrot]

A dogue de bordeaux is an unusual one to pop up causing a a problem though...they're not typically athletic enough to be much of a menace (aside from the endless slobber assault), plus they are generally fairly affable creatures.

Generally they aren't aggressive, but there are factors that could make them be.

Honestly, I'm mostly offended by their color. Otherwise, I don't mind them. All that I've met have been nice dogs...again, minus the color

 

[Clodagh]

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2023/10/boy-recovering-after-attack-by-pit-bull-dog-in-craigentinny-park/

So, even if ‘investigations are ongoing’ means the dog is as free as a bird, would you not, as an owner, exercise some discretion?
And surely while under investigation there should at least be a temporary stop walking it sort of order?

 

[Cinnamontoast]

So, even if ‘investigations are ongoing’ means the dog is as free as a bird, would you not, as an owner, exercise some discretion?
And surely while under investigation there should at least be a temporary stop walking it sort of order?

I cannot understand why the dog hasn’t been seized.

 

[Petalpoos]

A dogue de bordeaux is an unusual one to pop up causing a a problem though...they're not typically athletic enough to be much of a menace (aside from the endless slobber assault), plus they are generally fairly affable creatures, typically owned by those who have good understanding of the breed

There is a dogue de Bordeaux bitch that I meet occasionally. It is owned by a very nice older woman who also has a lab and I remember seeing her with it as a puppy. I have to say it now scares the sh@t out of me and my (large) dog as it consistently lunges towards us if we walk past, in an aggressive manner, and I am not really sure how the woman manages to hold onto it. Like the other dog walkers in my area, I try and walk in the opposite direction if I see her out with it. Goodness knows why on earth she bought it.

 

[skinnydipper]

Post Office worker XL bully attack July '22

Warning: graphic images of dog bite injuries.

'The blood was pouring off me': The reality of an XL Bully dog attack

Kimberley Link suffered life-changing injuries after she was severely bitten by a dog she believes was an XL Bully, a breed the Government is planning to ban

inews.co.uk

 

[Pinkvboots]

It is interesting to see how the conformation of the EBT has changed over the years.

100 years ago.

View attachment 125071

I like that dog looks just more bulky than a jack Russell

 

[CrunchieBoi]

I actually can't fathom how anyone can live with such a dog, relying on good management seems like a bloody risky business.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Post Office worker XL bully attack July '22

Warning: graphic images of dog bite injuries.

'The blood was pouring off me': The reality of an XL Bully dog attack

Kimberley Link suffered life-changing injuries after she was severely bitten by a dog she believes was an XL Bully, a breed the Government is planning to ban

inews.co.uk

The owner was handed a risible sentence.

Kimberley Link, 50, had been a postie in Eltham, south-east London, for two years when she was mauled by a ‘big dog’ in July last year.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/03/the-...-most-likely-to-be-attacked-by-dogs-19054286/
She was off work for six months after the attack. The dog’s owner was prosecuted, receiving a 12-month community order of 100 hours of unpaid work and ordered to pay £1,200 compensation to Ms Link.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/03/the-...-most-likely-to-be-attacked-by-dogs-19054286/
The dog was put down after the attack.

 

[conniegirl]

XL Bully dog mauled owner at home before running into school car park

The owner of the dog, in her 60s, could be heard screaming for help as she was attacked in her back garden in Brisley, Norfolk, on Monday afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Morwenna]

XL Bully dog mauled owner at home before running into school car park

The owner of the dog, in her 60s, could be heard screaming for help as she was attacked in her back garden in Brisley, Norfolk, on Monday afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The timings aren’t clear but says she got the dog less than a month ago and this attack is one month after the announcement that these would be added to the banned breed list. If that is the case then why on earth are shelters still re-homing these dogs…

 

[splashgirl45]

The timings aren’t clear but says she got the dog less than a month ago and this attack is one month after the announcement that these would be added to the banned

breed list. If that is the case then why on earth are shelters still re-homing these dogs…

I know 60 is not as old as me (77). But why would someone older and female get a powerful dog from a rescue? As we all get older we lose strength so large dogs, unless you have them from puppies and are a competent trainer, would not be suitable. I know I’m not as strong as I was so have smaller breeds and made sure I got a smaller lurcher as I’m not sure that I could hold an adult large lurcher if it spotted a deer, this was one reason that I looked for a whippet cross puppy rather than a be larger rescue lurcher.. so I could train him from scratch

 

[ycbm]

The timings aren’t clear but says she got the dog less than a month ago and this attack is one month after the announcement that these would be added to the banned breed list. If that is the case then why on earth are shelters still re-homing these dogs…

They are rehoming them because they know that their donations will fall if they become known for putting to sleep healthy dogs. The Dogs Trust in particular promise never to do so and get a lot of donations which might otherwise go to the RSPCA.
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[bonny]

They are rehoming them because they know that their donations will fall if they become known for putting to sleep healthy dogs. The Dogs Trust in particular promise never to do so and get a lot of donations which might otherwise go to the RSPCA.
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I don’t believe for a moment that in the unlikely event of the general public even knowing that the odd pit bull was being put down rather than rehomed their donations would fall. I think the vast majority of us don’t want to have aggressive dogs in our midst.

 

[skinnydipper]

They are rehoming them because they know that their donations will fall if they become known for putting to sleep healthy dogs. The Dogs Trust in particular promise never to do so

I think they need to review that policy, pronto.

Never mind unfair to the dogs, it is unfair to prospective owners and to the general public to rehome some dogs.

Dog ownership should be fun, a relaxing pastime not continually assessing and managing a dog who is serious risk to humans and other canines.

 

[ycbm]

I don’t believe for a moment that in the unlikely event of the general public even knowing that the odd pit bull was being put down rather than rehomed their donations would fall. I think the vast majority of us don’t want to have aggressive dogs in our midst.

I don't think you understand the sentimentality of the greater public or their ability to withstand cognitive dissonance. They will donate thousands of pounds to keep animals alive who the rational among us can clearly see need to be PTS. And they are well able to believe, at one and the same time, that XL bullies are dangerous dogs that need clearing from our streets and that rescue centres can safely rehome them. Especially when the law is not going to demand that existing dogs are PTS.
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[cauda equina]

They are rehoming them because they know that their donations will fall if they become known for putting to sleep healthy dogs. The Dogs Trust in particular promise never to do so and get a lot of donations which might otherwise go to the RSPCA.
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I donate to Dogs Trust by direct debit and am seriously thinking of cancelling it
And no I won't redirect my money to the RSPCA!

eta again it comes back to how you define a healthy dog
I don't think a companion animal with an uncertain temperament and the ability to inflict severe injury or death can ever be considered healthy

 

[maisie06]

I don’t believe for a moment that in the unlikely event of the general public even knowing that the odd pit bull was being put down rather than rehomed their donations would fall. I think the vast majority of us don’t want to have aggressive dogs in our midst.

Well. I for one will NOT be donating to them ever again on the basis they did not do the responsible thing and PTS a soon to be banned breed, instead rehoming it to a completely unsuitable person....yet a farmer friend was denied a dog because he works full time - dog would be with him all day, and didn't have a 6ft fence and a garden = he has a 1500 acre farm....he bought a puppy which now lives it's best life = DT are a disgrace

 

[Tiddlypom]

The RSPCA already get a lot of bashing for the PTS of animals, including dogs and horses, from people who haven’t a clue that if they didn’t the charity would soon be overrun and unable to house all the unwanted dumped or seized animals .

There are just too many dumped, neglected and unwanted animals for them all to be taken in for rehoming.

I visited a Dogs Trust rehoming kennels many years ago. It was so utterly depressing - lots of miserable dogs with issues living out their miserable lives in kennels because of the inflexible no pts diktat. We went there fully intending to rehome a dog, but there was nothing there that appealed at all.

 

[stormox]

Near me in Ireland a man moved here from Kent UK a couple of years ago, with 10 cane corso's and 3 or 4 Malinois - he seems to be breeding them.
His FB page, Custos Cane Corso's has videos of several of these dogs licking babies, and running round with toddlers in the garden.
This all seems irresponsible to me.

 

[SilverLinings]

I always thought the Dogs Trust were responsible and quite good at carefully assessing dogs before they put them up for rehoming. If this dog's temperament was carefully assessed before leaving the DT then this incident will surely stop any reputable charities from continuing to rehome XLBs (until the ban), as it shows that they can attack without having shown previous signs of aggression. The dog may have had an unknown/undisclosed awful home prior to going to the DT as many have, but if they aren't able to screen out the potential for serious attacks then I can't imagine they will want the financial/insurance/reputational risk of rehoming them.

I realise that any dog can in theory attack without having shown previous aggression, but as has discussed before on this thread the size, power, style of attack and the frequency with which it is happening appears to make XLBs a bigger risk than other breeds.

I thought it interesting that the article stated that the police contacted several vet practices in the area and none were able to attend to sedate the dog. The practices may have all been too busy, but if it was a case of the practices refusing to put their staff at risk then how easy is it going to be in future for XLB owners to get veterinary treatment? The safest thing would be to require the dog to be sedated for any exam/procedure that requires the muzzle to be removed, which is going to make vet bills more expensive. Added to all the other issues I suspect there are going to be an awful lot of XLBs dumped/pts/rehoming attempted over the next year.

 

[SilverLinings]

Near me in Ireland a man moved here from Kent UK a couple of years ago, with 10 cane corso's and 3 or 4 Malinois - he seems to be breeding them.
His FB page, Custos Cane Corso's has videos of several of these dogs licking babies, and running round with toddlers in the garden.
This all seems irresponsible to me.

At least prior to social media people couldn't easily share photos of that with lots of other people, nowadays those sorts of pics online just seem to encourage more people to act in the same stupid, irresponsible and unsafe way.