Another fatal dog attack

[CorvusCorax]

My father had to be in abattoirs a lot for his job (retired a good while/did another role in the interim) and has always wondered if *some* of the guys on the lines were made 'like that' by their job or were 'like that' to begin with.....

 

[skinnydipper]

Dogs Trust will no longer rehome XL bully dogs following attacks

The breed has been linked to a number of serious attacks, most recently in Brisley, Norfolk

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ponyparty]

Dogs Trust will no longer rehome XL bully dogs following attacks

The breed has been linked to a number of serious attacks, most recently in Brisley, Norfolk

www.bbc.co.uk

But don’t they have a no kill policy? So does this mean they’ll keep them in kennels for their entire sorry lives..? Even if they are not coping well?

 

[SDMabel]

That's interesting regarding the rehoming and no kill ... There are so many of them popping up on gumtree/pre-loved at the moment .

A lot of them are worded as ' circumstances have changed/ dont have the time anymore' and i do think how many of these are owners who just dont want to deal with the rule changes that come with owning a banned breed.

There are much worse fates than being PTS - i wonder what will happen to all of those that would normally be put through shelters , will owners think to/afford to PTS or will there be an increase in dumped bullies !

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I would hope that Dogs Trust will at least PTS any that show any signs at all of being untrustworthy as they have a duty to their employees as well as the public. I guess time will tell.

 

[fankino04]

But don’t they have a no kill policy? So does this mean they’ll keep them in kennels for their entire sorry lives..? Even if they are not coping well?

Apparently they have a non advertised policy of classing behavioural problems as ill health (mental health problems) so do sometimes pts. The only years records I saw for this was a while back and it was 75 dogs so presumably their behaviour has to be really really bad.

 

[Caol Ila]

Your point is completely well founded CI. I know you aren't talking about abattoir workers, though that's what people have picked up on while ignoring the point you actually made.

You are right, the overwhelming majority of people who will demand we can't cull a dangerous breed of dog will eat farmed meat. It's hypocrisy.
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Aye, I'm glad someone got my point.

I'm sure being an abbatoir worker is brutal and difficult, but nonetheless, we as a society (of course I'm aware there are people who do protest eating animals, but they are not the majority), accept the deaths of thousands of livestock animals without going ballistic.

Having to cull whole herds due to bovine TB or whatever is utterly sh1t for the farmers and the vets, no doubt, but no one's losing the plot about that, either. It's accepted as a public health necessity.

 

[ponyparty]

Aye, I'm glad someone got my point.

I'm sure being an abbatoir worker is brutal and difficult, but nonetheless, we as a society (of course I'm aware there are people who do protest eating animals, but they are not the majority), accept the deaths of thousands of livestock animals without going ballistic.

Having to cull whole herds due to bovine TB or whatever is utterly sh1t for the farmers and the vets, no doubt, but no one's losing the plot about that, either. It's accepted as a public health necessity.

Erm.. I fully agree with you, but remember the furore when a pet alpaca tested positive for bTB and needed culled? People screaming “murder”, all over the news… I despair of people (on a daily basis!).

 

[Caol Ila]

Erm.. I fully agree with you, but remember the furore when a pet alpaca tested positive for bTB and needed culled? People screaming “murder”, all over the news… I despair of people (on a daily basis!).

Oh, yeah. I do recall that. Didn't pay much attention. I guess alpacas are seen as cuter than cattle and sheep.

 

[bonny]

Oh, yeah. I do recall that. Didn't pay much attention. I guess alpacas are seen as cuter than cattle and sheep.

He was a pet though, not a farm animal and had a name.

 

[twiggy2]

He was a pet though, not a farm animal and had a name.

I don't see how that makes any difference he tested positive to the same thing that plenty of hand reared calves that are put to sleep for testing positive to.

 

[Cortez]

I totally got your point Caol Illa, and agree.

 

[paddy555]

Aye, I'm glad someone got my point.

I'm sure being an abbatoir worker is brutal and difficult, but nonetheless, we as a society (of course I'm aware there are people who do protest eating animals, but they are not the majority), accept the deaths of thousands of livestock animals without going ballistic.

Having to cull whole herds due to bovine TB or whatever is utterly sh1t for the farmers and the vets, no doubt, but no one's losing the plot about that, either. It's accepted as a public health necessity.

I got your point but I live in a TB area, was too close for comfort to a FMD area with animals I would have lost and have many farmer friends and acquaintances. I also knew several vets from the FMD area who were culling herds (perfectly healthy animals) with such long established bloodlines they had treated for years.
One person I met had (past tense by then) a pedigree goat herd. She was in the middle of a FMD area. I first met her soon afterwards. It totally wrecked her life so I do get your point. I'm sure many of them had names and histories as do many farmed cows.

I just don't get why people cannot calm down, pre empt the new regs ie get the lead, the muzzle the neutering done now. Stop breeding and take a great deal of care with the dog they have.

 

[ycbm]

He was a pet though, not a farm animal and had a name.

Geronimo was a commercial proposition, a stud alpaca who cost a fortune and was brought into this country to breed black alpacas. An enormous thing was made of him being a pet, but the alpaca breeder he was imported by was operating commercially. For a pet he was kept pretty badly at the end in her attempt to hide him and prevent DEFRA from carrying out the destruction order. She even allowed him to be dragged away into a trailer instead of being led by someone he knew and trusted to be shot at home.
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[Clodagh]

I just don't get why people cannot calm down, pre empt the new regs ie get the lead, the muzzle the neutering done now. Stop breeding and take a great deal of care with the dog they have.

That would suggest an element of intelligence, common sense and proactive thinking.
Something I’m afraid we have bred out of ourselves.

 

[conniegirl]

Family express concern after man lost limbs in Bognor dog attack

Vic Franklin, 77, lost a leg, an arm and a finger after he was attacked by two dogs Bognor Regis.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[paddy555]

That would suggest an element of intelligence, common sense and proactive thinking.
Something I’m afraid we have bred out of ourselves.

yeah good old common sense, sadly not that common.

 

[SilverLinings]

Family express concern after man lost limbs in Bognor dog attack

Vic Franklin, 77, lost a leg, an arm and a finger after he was attacked by two dogs Bognor Regis.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's amazing he survived with injuries that required two limbs to amputated plus a finger. That must have been terrifying for the poor man, and he now has to cope with a significant disability (and associated loss of independence.

 

[BigRedDog]

One of the things I don’t agree with is the Dogs Trust say they never put a healthy dog down so those who cannot be rehomed due to behaviour problems including biting are kept at the kennels, surely PTS kindly is the better option for the dogs and also would free up spaces for more dogs and the time that it takes to look after the problem dogs would be saved as well

The Dogs Trust are famous in animal welfare circles for refusing to take in any dog they suspect for behavioural reasons that would need a responsible PTS decision being made. Hence their claim not to put any healthy dog to sleep.

 

[SilverLinings]

The Dogs Trust are famous in animal welfare circles for refusing to take in any dog they suspect for behavioural reasons that would need a responsible PTS decision being made. Hence their claim not to put any healthy dog to sleep.

I had wondered how they worked around their tagline. Someone posted (I think on the 'irresponsible owners' thread) that they do (or used to) PTS dogs with serious behaviour problems under the label of being a mental health problem; the numbers were quite low but if they avoid taking ones with obvious behavioural problems that would explain why.

 

[cbmcts]

Family express concern after man lost limbs in Bognor dog attack

Vic Franklin, 77, lost a leg, an arm and a finger after he was attacked by two dogs Bognor Regis.

www.bbc.co.uk

That is shocking.

He was attacked by rottweilers. There have been 2 other serious attacks posted above, 3 GSDs and a GSD and DDB involved. It shows that focussing on the real dangers of XLBs exclusively is short sighted and likely to be ineffective. A cull of every single one, even if that could be achieved as there is still no definition of what actually an XLB is, would just open up spaces in the homes of the same stupid/malevolent people that can turn any dog into a danger. Any dog can do serious damage. A big dog can do more damage but I'm hoping that even the dog haters here can agree that that eradicating multiple breeds of dogs is not a realistic option.

The other issue of course is that the DDA is not enforced. If it was, we wouldn't be seeing long legged staffies, blue or Irish staffies aka pitbulls walking about after 30 years (I've known some long lived dogs but not that old) In fact, XLBs are already illegal as they are openly pit bull crosses which were banned in 1991.

This ban is a knee jerk reaction, a sound bite and a pretence that they listen to the public by a government who will shortly going to the polls and will make as much difference as the original DDA i.e. none. It is so frustrating because with the political will, just enforcing the current laws could make everyone so much safer.

 

[ycbm]

That is shocking.

He was attacked by rottweilers. There have been 2 other serious attacks posted above, 3 GSDs and a GSD and DDB involved. It shows that focussing on the real dangers of XLBs exclusively is short sighted and likely to be ineffective. A cull of every single one, even if that could be achieved as there is still no definition of what actually an XLB is, would just open up spaces in the homes of the same stupid/malevolent people that can turn any dog into a danger. Any dog can do serious damage. A big dog can do more damage but I'm hoping that even the dog haters here can agree that that eradicating multiple breeds of dogs is not a realistic option.

The other issue of course is that the DDA is not enforced. If it was, we wouldn't be seeing long legged staffies, blue or Irish staffies aka pitbulls walking about after 30 years (I've known some long lived dogs but not that old) In fact, XLBs are already illegal as they are openly pit bull crosses which were banned in 1991.

This ban is a knee jerk reaction, a sound bite and a pretence that they listen to the public by a government who will shortly going to the polls and will make as much difference as the original DDA i.e. none. It is so frustrating because with the political will, just enforcing the current laws could make everyone so much safer.

Your whole post ignores the totally disproportionate representation of XL bullies in the statistics of attacks by dogs.

If you have one breed of dogs which are very under represented in the total dog population but is also totally over represented in the reports of dog on dog and dog on people attacks, then it is not in any way a "knee jerk reaction" to ban the breed from the streets.
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[cbmcts]

You're whole post ignores the totally disproportionate representation of XL bullies in the statistics of attacks by dogs.

If you have one breed of dogs which are very under represented in the total dog population but is also totally over represented in the reports of dog on dog and dog on people attacks, then it is not in any way a "knee jerk reaction" to ban the breed from the streets.
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I'm no fan of the breed and you're right, they are a liability. I just don't think that the ban is going to make much, if any difference to the numbers of dog attacks in the longer term except maybe slightly tougher sentences for owner. That's no consolation to those who've been attacked themselves or watched their pet being savaged.

 

[oldandgold]

Dogs Trust will no longer rehome XL bully dogs following attacks

The breed has been linked to a number of serious attacks, most recently in Brisley, Norfolk

www.bbc.co.uk

And I have read tonight that the RSPCA will continue rehoming XL's until the ban comes into place.

 

[cauda equina]

Well they might try to but I hope they won't find many or indeed any takers

 

[ycbm]

And I have read tonight that the RSPCA will continue rehoming XL's until the ban comes into place.

Until, like the Dogs Trust, they rehome one which then attacks someone, when their policy will promptly change to PTS.

 

[skinnydipper]

Moment 'XL Bully' attacks teen as passers-by desperately try and stop horror mauling

THIS is the horrifying moment a suspected XL Bully savages a teenager outside a block of flats. The bloody attack took place at the entrance of Oakfield high rise in Anderson Street in Motherwell. …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Moment 'XL Bully' attacks teen as passers-by desperately try and stop horror mauling

THIS is the horrifying moment a suspected XL Bully savages a teenager outside a block of flats. The bloody attack took place at the entrance of Oakfield high rise in Anderson Street in Motherwell. …

www.thesun.co.uk

That dog was happily wagging his tail all the time he was hanging on to the lad and being whacked by the two men. Just a fun day out to him. Horrifying, thank goodness he was put down.

 

[marmalade76]

Going by the pic of the revolting thing, it doesn't look that big, definitely a bully but was it really an XL?

 

[Cortez]

That dog was happily wagging his tail all the time he was hanging on to the lad and being whacked by the two men. Just a fun day out to him. Horrifying, thank goodness he was put down.

Tail wagging is not always a sign of happiness, fast tail wagging is an aggressive signal.

That dog is terrifying: ragging and held fast, completely oblivious to the two guys trying to get it off. A clear example of it's genetics though.