Another fatal dog attack

[Indy]

I don't personally deal with Malinois.

I've given what advice I feel qualified to, using my own knowledge and experience, on umpteen occasions, on foot of questions that people have asked on here or things they have posted. As with everything, people can take it or leave it.

I'm going to start carrying a piece of baler band in my pocket. I'm just not sure I'd feel brave enough to try it. I hope I never have to.

 

[AmyMay]

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[CorvusCorax]

Cairo, the canine member of the Seals team, was a Malinois.

I know I just don't personally know how much they weigh, although there's a huge variation in sizes/heights/weights.

 

[stormox]

I don't know if that dog had a collar on, but another way of choking it would be shove the stick through the collar and twist it tight.
However if it disengaged I think you would have to be careful of redirected aggression.
I am sure there never used to be this many serious attacks, it surely can't all be because of more media coverage?

 

[Cortez]

I don't know if that dog had a collar on, but another way of choking it would be shove the stick through the collar and twist it tight.
However if it disengaged I think you would have to be careful of redirected aggression.
I am sure there never used to be this many serious attacks, it surely can't all be because of more media coverage?

Stats say a 22% increase in reported attacks the last 2 years.

 

[SilverLinings]

Just seen this advert. One parent a pressa, thought they were banned. Owned by breeder.

American Bulldog puppies for sale | Pets4Homes

Find American Bulldog puppies for sale on Pets4Homes - UK’s largest pet classifieds site to buy and sell puppies near you.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

I couldn't see that ad, but whilst I was there I searched the site for XL Bully's and it returned zero results. Looking a bit further, there are plenty of XLBs still for sale on there but they are being 'creatively' labelled. There are a lot of phrases like 'bully' (clearly XL from the huge size), 'bully-type' bully cross (no second breed given and they look just like XLBs), and even 'American bull'. I really hope no byers are naive and ill-informed enough to go out and buy any of these thinking that they won't be affected by the ban (and thinking that they aren't buying what is being seen as a dangerous breed)

 

[Clodagh]

Found the video I meant in my above post warning though he does react to a dog on dog attack to explain what should have happened to help the golden retriever and says a bit about why the hitting ect doesn't work.

[Warning: Some may find the content of this video upsetting.]

This needs a trigger warning!
I watched it when it first came out, well the start of it. I found it very distressing. Please edit your post to warn people.

 

[J&T]

This needs a trigger warning!
I watched it when it first came out, well the start of it. I found it very distressing. Please edit your post to warn people.

I'll edit to make it more obvious but I did clearly state "warning though he does react to a dog on dog attack" so I did warn

Edit to add: just tried won't let me edit so if any of the admin feels it needs a trigger warning then please add

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Is there an echo in here, I'll have to rebrand myself as an American, male, professional dog trainer with cool videos

You’d earn a fortune! Do it!

 

[CorvusCorax]

You’d earn a fortune! Do it!

Yes, but Ethics. And Self Awareness.

 

[Kunoichi73]

Yes, but Ethics. And Self Awareness.

They suck, don't they!

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Yes, but Ethics. And Self Awareness.

Awful things!

 

[Chucho]

Not much, the thinner the garotte and the higher up the neck behind the ears, the more severe the action. The idea is that you choke until the dog loses consciousness or close to it, it cannot come back at you then.

As macabre as it is, I actually find this really useful info. I have no desire to watch the video, but this tells me all I need if ever that unlucky.

 

[AmyMay]

As macabre as it is, I actually find this really useful info. I have no desire to watch the video, but this tells me all I need if ever that unlucky.

Same here.

 

[Clodagh]

I'll edit to make it more obvious but I did clearly state "warning though he does react to a dog on dog attack" so I did warn

Edit to add: just tried won't let me edit so if any of the admin feels it needs a trigger warning then please add

I’m sure he could have put his point across without showing gratuitous videos of dogs being killed or at least very seriously maimed by other dogs. But it wouldn’t have so many viewings.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I couldn't see that ad, but whilst I was there I searched the site for XL Bully's and it returned zero results. Looking a bit further, there are plenty of XLBs still for sale on there but they are being 'creatively' labelled. There are a lot of phrases like 'bully' (clearly XL from the huge size), 'bully-type' bully cross (no second breed given and they look just like XLBs), and even 'American bull'. I really hope no byers are naive and ill-informed enough to go out and buy any of these thinking that they won't be affected by the ban (and thinking that they aren't buying what is being seen as a dangerous breed)

I reported the ad because of one parent being a banned breed and they have put it on hold while they investigate. I searched through all ads referring to bull breeds. XLs appear in some of those.

 

[AmyMay]

I reported the ad because of one parent being a banned breed and they have put it on hold while they investigate. I searched through all ads referring to bull breeds. XLs appear in some of those.

Neither parent are a banned breed. So presumably it’ll be put back up.

 

[skinnydipper]

I’m sure he could have put his point across without showing gratuitous videos of dogs being killed or at least very seriously maimed by other dogs. But it wouldn’t have so many viewings.

I'm glad I didn't watch it. I assumed it was one of those blokes who likes to hear the sound of his own voice and gave it a miss.

 

[Clodagh]

I'm glad I didn't watch it. I assumed it was one of those blokes who likes to hear the sound of his own voice and gave it a miss.

I watched the first bit and was really upset, it gave me nightmares. No one needs to see it to be told that hitting a bullie doesn’t make it let go. Self gratification for him, definitely.

 

[Arzada]

This needs a trigger warning!
I watched it when it first came out, well the start of it. I found it very distressing. Please edit your post to warn people.

Thanks for the heads up Clodagh I won't be watching

 

[J&T]

I've reported my post to get the link removed since a few have an issue with it.

Yes it awful to watch I get that but in today's world attacks on dogs are common and even though it a hard watch it's worth listening to the advice if it saves your dog.

 

[Clodagh]

I've reported my post to get the link removed since a few have an issue with it.

Yes it awful to watch I get that but in today's world attacks on dogs are common and even though it a hard watch it's worth listening to the advice if it saves your dog.

I think he used his voiceover to give legitimacy to appalling violence being put on fb.
Thank you for trying to get the recommendation removed.

I also know that I am easily upset by animal abuse footage and actively seek out ways to avoid seeing it. I know a lot of people are not so upset by watching it, and I in no way judge them.

 

[skinnydipper]

I've reported my post to get the link removed since a few have an issue with it.

Yes it awful to watch I get that but in today's world attacks on dogs are common and even though it a hard watch it's worth listening to the advice if it saves your dog.

A paragraph would do to describe what you need to do.

One of my dogs was seriously mauled by another, not something I want to witness again.

Nobody knows how they will react until it happens to their dog. I went into battle and was able to see it off but I'm not confident that I would be able physically to manage an XL bully if it was latched on to my dog.

CorvusCorax gives good advice but I'm not sure everyone would be able to manage it.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Neither parent are a banned breed. So presumably it’ll be put back up.

Surely pressa equals Presa Canario which is a banned breed?

 

[ester]

no they aren't

these are

• Pit Bull Terrier.
• Japanese Tosa.
• Dogo Argentino.
• Fila Brasileiro.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Fair enough, I thought they were.

 

[Dobiegirl]

One late August night I was woken by the sound of 2 badgers fighting on the drive literally under my bedroom window, my dogs were going mad but that did not deter the badgers. I opened my bedroom widow and shouted at them and they broke up and ran in opposite directions.

The following evening it was still light and I was watching tv and I heard similar sounds again, I raced to open the window but they were not on the drive, they were either in the road or in the field opposite. I yelled at them again hoping it would have the same effect but a man raced up my drive and said please help my dog is fighting with a badger in the road. I ran through the house my mind going ninety to the dozen wondering how the hell I was going to stop this and going out the door I grabbed a broom handle. As I ran down the road I shouted in my loudest authoritative voice "leave it" half hoping it would have the desired effect, sadly it didnt. The dog was a very big Lurcher and he had hold of the badger by the muzzle so the poor thing couldnt open its mouth, the dogs collar was one of those thick ones which you couldnt twist so I grabbed its collar and started to slowly insert the broom handle. The dog gradually started to open its mouth and it let go of the badger and I pulled it back and told the owner to put it on a lead which surprise surprise he didnt have one. The poor badger looked dead so whilst i was still holding the dog I told him to put the badger on the grass verge which he did rather gingerly. I went back in and got some baler twine for his dog and he told me he had been jogging with his dog when the badger came through the hedge in front of him and his dog had run and grabbed it. His dog didnt have an identity disc on his collar so I really laid into him about how it was illegal and not having his dog on the lead, this could have been someones cat. Luckily for the Badger it must have passed out because it recovered and ran away.

Would this work on an XL Bully? I dont know. I cant understand how people can just stand by and film that poor man being killed, I would have grabbed a garden fork and stabbed it probably grabbing a dust-bin lid on the way for protection. I think everyone should have some sort of plan in their head for your dog being attacked or you for that matter.

 

[AmyMay]

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[twiggy2]

I expect to be shot down for pointing this out but many many dogs of all sorts of breeds will not stop a full blown attack because someone is hitting them.
Many dogs will never be in a situation that they are ever in full blown attack mode, partly due to what triggers them never happening due to their genetic make up and lifestyle.
Don't get me wrong dogs with the strength to inflict such damage on humans are a real concern, poor breeding, genetics, lack of socialisation all play a part but many dogs bite and fight harder when prey fights back and that includes little fluffy things.

 

[danda]

I know there are a few people on here who also live in France so my question is “how come I don’t here about this sort of thing happening here? What is the difference with the UK?”