Parrotperson
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it does doesn't it! May not be of course but unless there is an independent vet check then we'll never know.
Anyone want a thread for the Olympic dressage live?
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it does doesn't it! May not be of course but unless there is an independent vet check then we'll never know.
Parrotperson
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exactly! What difference would it make by then. None! 4 to compete three best scores to count. easy peasey no cheating.
Parrotperson
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its the eventing that worries me more. I mean how does that work. Say a team gets a really good dressage score off of one member then they substitute a better x country horse in? Or a better sj horse? It would only take their own vet to say "oh that's lame now"
Its a nonsense.
Its a nonsense.
Kat
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Even if they only let the traveling reserve compete as an individual it would be better than them being there but not competing. Plus it would avoid the potential advantage gained by substituting in a fresh horse. Especially in the eventing when a fresh horse on SJ day would be a huge advantage.
Kat
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Also does this potentially have welfare implications. If a team were so inclined they could deliberately injure their horse so as to get a substitution
Parrotperson
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while we're here the start list for tomorrow is up, looks like they are likely to get a dump of rain
first 2 groups have times and then there's a gap while they allocate times to the final group. the start time is 9am, but BEF seems to be saying BBC coverage is not starting until 9.30... i am skeptical about whether they really will cover the whole thing and think it will be scrambled in with the other sports so i'm going to get back on discovery i think...
https://eurodressage.com/2021/07/26/starting-order-2021-olympic-grand-prix-special
Wow. Someone at Olympic HQ has been really overthinking the equestrian sports this year haven't they!
All this 3 to compete but you can swap someone in. Now "I know let's not give the final riders times. Lets work it out the really complicated way and see what's what at the end of the first two groups!!!!!"
A tad difficult for all the final riders. I mean you don't k now when to start warming up for a start.
Honestly.
It'll be lets put a 5ft show jump in the middle of the dressage arena" next won't it ! ????
milliepops
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sure thing! that'll sort the wheat from the chaff, hahaha
splashgirl45
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what would we do without you MP 
thanks for the link to the times, very useful. i have decided to stay with discovery as i am also not convinced BBC will show it all. i am more confident that they will show the kur but cant bear commentary during the music so will prob stay with discovery, at least there is the option...looks like im doing nothing tomorrow apart from an early morning dog walk..
thanks for the link to the times, very useful. i have decided to stay with discovery as i am also not convinced BBC will show it all. i am more confident that they will show the kur but cant bear commentary during the music so will prob stay with discovery, at least there is the option...looks like im doing nothing tomorrow apart from an early morning dog walk..
Parrotperson
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what would we do without you MP
thanks for the link to the times, very useful. i have decided to stay with discovery as i am also not convinced BBC will show it all. i am more confident that they will show the kur but cant bear commentary during the music so will prob stay with discovery, at least there is the option...looks like im doing nothing tomorrow apart from an early morning dog walk..
technically I have togo to my husband's oncology appointment but I reckon this is much more important right? ???
I'll miss it but luckily have worked out how to watch it back on discovery so that'll have to do! Bloody husbands. ?
milliepops
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i've booked 2 days off work so will be hanging out with HHO dressage nerds
DressageCob
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I really want a team GB substitution. I want Gareth to ride.
Parrotperson
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Why? Do you think he'd do better than the others? Genuine question not being rude!!
DressageCob
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He's a lovely quiet rider, thoroughly nice bloke and perfectly normal. Don't get me wrong, he's crazy talented, but he's worked for everything he has. He's dabbled in lots of disciplines, so is well-rounded, and basically networked, taught and got on people's radar. It wasn't handed to him as it was with others (who are also very talented, but obviously not at all aspirational for us mere mortals).
I don't know that he'd do better than others, but I really wanted him to get to ride. it's just a shame his number 1 horse wasn't fit; if she were I bet he'd have been in the 3.
Ultimately I want him to get to ride because he's a nice guy and he's worked for it.
teapot
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The limiting to three was something to do with speeding up the competition across all three disciplines
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
i am happy to identify as a HHO dressage nerd and will have square eyes by the end....
and will have square eyes by the end....
Goldenstar
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Has anyone looked at the clips of the tests on the dressage hub ?
Have they done something to them ?
The horses look odd and IW looked like she had lost a third of her height and gained 10 kilos .
Have they done something to them ?
The horses look odd and IW looked like she had lost a third of her height and gained 10 kilos .
milliepops
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Wouldn't put it past her ?
splashgirl45
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looks like it has been videoed from the tv, all looks very odd
milliepops
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I'd like to have seen Gareth on the team too, this stupid 3 riders in a team thing makes it so difficult doesn't it
shortstuff99
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For the eventing substitution incurr something like 200 penalties? I can't quite remember, to stop the tactical substitution.
The reason it is okay for dressage is due to the special being a whole new competition (no combined score).
The reason it is okay for dressage is due to the special being a whole new competition (no combined score).
Caol Ila
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Can anyone tell me what times I should go to on Discovery to watch:
Carl Hester
Edward Gal
Jessica Von Bredow
Lottie Frey
Carl Hester
Edward Gal
Jessica Von Bredow
Lottie Frey
milliepops
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Carl 10am
Lottie 11.45
Edward and Jessica sometime after 1, tbc after the first 2 groups have finished.
Lottie 11.45
Edward and Jessica sometime after 1, tbc after the first 2 groups have finished.
Caol Ila
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And the other American, Sabine. I've seen Steffan's and Adrienne's tests. Poor Adrienne. That horse can be really brilliant but it was not their day.
milliepops
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She's also in the final group so tbc.
The link i posted earlier has the groups/times Tokyo time, we are 8 hours behind.
The link i posted earlier has the groups/times Tokyo time, we are 8 hours behind.
milliepops
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Oh, are you wanting to watch the tests from the weekend? If so best to look at the start lists and just scroll through.
Equibrit
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Penalties for substitutions in ;
Eventing:
Dressage:
Dressage Team start/times list;
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/resOG2020-/pdf/OG2020-/EQU/OG2020-_EQU_C51(D)B_EQUODRESTEAM----------GPSP000100--.pdf 44
Eventing:
- Pre-competition substitution applies up to two hours before the start of the dressage test without any penalty. If a horse is not accepted at the 1st horse inspection, a pre-competition change can also be made without any penalty.
- The reserve horse must be presented at the first inspection
- An athlete/horse combination may be substituted by a reserve combination for medical/veterinarian reasons in any of the three tests after the start of competition.
- Only one substitution per team is allowed.
- Substitution will incur a team penalty of 20 points; additional penalties for a team member not completing a phase will be 100 pts each for dressage and stadium, and 200 for XC. (See also Substitution Activation rules on page 23 and additional penalties here.)
- An athlete/horse combination can be substituted if eliminated, withdrawn, or retired, but no substitution is permitted if the combination has been eliminated for dangerous riding, abuse of horse, or if the combination has been disqualified for any other reason.
- Where an athlete/horse combination is substituted, neither they nor the replacement combination will be eligible for the individual competition.
Dressage:
- During the period between the Team Qualifier (Grand Prix) and up to two hours before the start of the Team Final (Grand Prix Special), the chef d’equipe may substitute a team member with an alternate athlete/horse.
- The alternate combination can compete in the Special (Team Final) but will not be entitled to compete in the Freestyle (Individual Final).
Dressage Team start/times list;
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/resOG2020-/pdf/OG2020-/EQU/OG2020-_EQU_C51(D)B_EQUODRESTEAM----------GPSP000100--.pdf 44
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Equibrit
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Caol Ila
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Yeah, that's what I was after.
I should see most of those guys in the GPS tomorrow. I am now organized and set up to watch on OH's laptop while I pretend I am doing work on mine.
shortstuff99
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Here is a very interesting article about how they wanted to improve Lusitanos for top level dressage. They also go into the mechanics of moves etc.
https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2021/07/lusitano-shine-in-tokyo/
https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2021/07/lusitano-shine-in-tokyo/